Illinois revised timelines and guidelines

[Bababooey]

Trafficking (definition): to trade or deal in a specific commodity or service, often of an illegal nature.

I'm sorry to break the news to you: weed is illegal. Under federal law all across our nation, and in most states as well.

Oh, wait, you thought I was mentioning the excellent Soderbergh movie, Traffic, that dealt with mexican cartels?
No, I would never equate you or the good people of this forum with Mexican cartels. Those are the real illuminati, if by illuminati you mean narco-terrorists who value human life the way a rancher values the lives of his cattle.
News flash: your life is not a movie.
Rauner's going to take office tomorrow. Then the licenses will be issued.
But you keep believing that it's because there were so many documents to review. is that what they told you? do you believe everything they tell u?

 

[Julian]

Yes.....please......enlighten me....

The guy who has no interest other than "what he read(s)".....(your statement above, not mine)...

No better analogy than someone who wants to set up an op because "they read how to do it".........an analogy we've all heard and laughed about....

I bow down oh wise one....your truly a man of experience and knowledge....

But you never stated you were sure....which is the only thing you were asked....Nor did you offer a summary of the events (not "what was heard") which took place this past week......(or do you need the news to tell you?)

Little busy today......gotta run.....(I have to go set up and lecture on a couple business'.......I've never done it....never run them.....but, you know...I've read about it just like everyone else, so......therefore I'm entitled to lecture those who are as we speak........

(And what's with the interest when one has none?....just another individual complaining about everything when no stake in it.....proclaiming an understanding because "he read about it"...)

Decisions are long done.....the announcement date and time matters little...(and there is not one reason for any delays......they're numerous.....)



I once again bow down oh wise one.....(And hope your having a great weekend!...thanks for the knowledge!...I hit your post as helpful too!...you da man!

Do you know how they are going to announce licensee's? Are you sure?

(Maybe they were already notified........or maybe not ...)

Are you sure?

You just keep watching the news......

Edit: Thanks for the news flash......because I do so enjoy dancing around my house with a broom (Risky Business)....I was certain that was my movie!!!....you've shattered all my wildest dreams.....Man......you are definitely the man....I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut in your world.....nothing more......you guessed it right...I'm just a clueless "dope trafficker"....never claimed to be anything more.......

 

[Bababooey]

Yes.....please......enlighten me....

The guy who has no interest other than "what he read(s)".....(your statement above, not mine)...

No better analogy than someone who wants to set up an op because "they read how to do it".........an analogy we've all heard and laughed about....

I bow down oh wise one....your truly a man of experience and knowledge....

But you never stated you were sure....which is the only thing you were asked....Nor did you offer a summary of the events (not "what was heard") which took place this past week......(or do you need the news to tell you?)

Little busy today......gotta run.....(I have to go set up and lecture on a couple business'.......I've never done it....never run them.....but, you know...I've read about it just like everyone else, so......therefore I'm entitled to lecture those who are as we speak........

(And what's with the interest when one has none?....just another individual complaining about everything when no stake in it.....proclaiming an understanding because "he read about it"...)

Decisions are long done.....the announcement date and time matters little...(and there is not one reason for any delays......they're numerous.....)



I once again bow down oh wise one.....(And hope your having a great weekend!...thanks for the knowledge!...I hit your post as helpful too!...you da man!

Do you know how they are going to announce licensee's? Are you sure?

(Maybe they were already notified........or maybe not ...)

Are you sure?

You just keep watching the news......

Edit: Thanks for the news flash......because I do so enjoy dancing around my house with a broom (Risky Business)....I was certain that was my movie!!!....you've shattered all my wildest dreams.....Man......you are definitely the man....I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut in your world.....nothing more......you guessed it right...I'm just a clueless "dope trafficker"....never claimed to be anything more.......

So if you're implying that the State has already notified the applicants who will get licenses, why dont you just say so?
This is what i mean, the misinformation you spread. I like truth, buddy, not innuendo and half truths. Maybe its because our govt lies to us constantly (cough, iraq), but i just dont have the trust i used to anymore.
If you're implying that you know how theyre going to notify licensees, why dont you just say that also?
This is why i dont think you know anything, cause you never say anything.
and you can keep saying the license decisions were long done. I think it's a little TOO convenient that they were delayed till after rauners election. but thats just me, i could be wrong. or you could be wrong.
but in your own mind, youre never wrong, are you?
Whatever man. Good luck on your app, let us know how it turns out. Or dont.

 

[Julian]

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but I believe you were the one posting news mid December they were pretty much done, announcements "within days".....(which, of course, followed me stating such by several days )....

So...........technically then, you [/I]were "spreading misinformation".....

No......you weren't, because they've been long done...

The panel today.....you think they just selected them today?.....No.....they announced the selections today...

Last week, and others are well aware, as above.....actions were taken and quite positive events took place.....on many levels...

The Quinn "decision" "not to announce" was dated today...quoted as the decision not to announce Monday....It was also stated majority of work done, new will administer remainder...

You question my statements.....yet you basically provided the support of them after the fact...

Decisions (as above with panel) have been made......long done..why they are being delayed is surely more than anyone other than the 2 know, and would be strictly speculation, but, again...last week,steps towards forwarding winners in process were taken.....which makes this delay beyond explanation (of anyone...)....and of which I couldn't offer.....(I could offer 30.....all may or may not be true and unless confirmed, merely speculation, which is worthless....

It's odd cause one minute you say I never say anything, and the next it's all wrong .....(You sound just as confused as most)........it's okay though....rightly so...Due to what we are seeing.....maybe there's a reason why I do, will, won't say what I do and don't...

They've been done. You posted as above which confirms. They started to prep for announcement last week, actions taken, Friday announcement target...(fact), and...look what happened...

Note: They weren't delayed until after the election...(election was only 40 days after submission.....the first indicator they were done and prepared was mid December.....(I think I called that around week of Dec 8-12th....news was covering week of 15-19th, with announcement 19th.....would have to check, so, that was long after election......)

I will say, and do stand by, and you have provided support yourself......they were beginning the prep to hand out announcements Dec 10th+/-......and, again....last week a huge significant week that basically has many left confused and quite angry right now...(I'm more the former than latter...issue is not the delay (for participants)...issue is alterations of list which has been already firmly established...

All I know is every time they pull this creates another 20hrs. or work for me and mine....and, again.....decisions long done (just as board done far before today)....

You know.....what's interesting is people can accuse the former administration of corruption all day long...but the incoming has people absolutely horrified of what levelof such is quite possibly being exercised......

I only know what I know......what I know I say.....what is speculation I clearly state as such.....

I do know there is $160MM+/- sitting dormant due to capital requirements for an extended period....with a high end of $320MM for escrow and bond (bonds are collateral, so.....consider all essentially a lock up either way....and another $__MM in fee's across the board (including architect and MEP, attorneys and so on.....and much of that by many lose to him.......)....so.....there's some serious stuff going on, especially after last week (2nd time they prepped to announce).......(I am referring to the lost profits from capital elsewhere..........few people aware.....there are many losing millions the longer this continues...and that's no joke....

Only know what I know.....mid December they were done and ready, and last week the actually began/half actually pulled the trigger. with Friday scheduled.....

Spokesperson did speak of new admin "administering" the rest (of work left)

...I can't resist....since your keeping it there (despite you having supported my statements ......) I'm just a clueless "dope trafficker" dancing with broom in house in my own movie....

Seriously....a grower.......(?) here?........who calls green "dope".....what.....are you like a 70yr old Texan? You call people "hippies" too if their hairs over their ear?...

(I marked your post as helpful of course, and again equally defer to your knowledge and experience.......Ya see how that works?.......sure...I can draw amusement from it...but, to what end?.....and of what service.....which produces exactly what?....and to whom.....ya know.....I've got admittedly more skin in th game, as well as do others, so......we're feeling every moment infinitely greater than yourself.....But I'm open to continuing the jabs if you feel of any use....

 

[growteam]

Julian what do you mean by "All I know is every time they pull this creates another 20hrs. or work for me and mine....and, again.....decisions long done (just as board done far before today)...."

What creates 20 hours work for you?

 

[Julian]

The mechanics and moving parts are quite a list....sources, city, county, state, principals (different locations), firm members, staffing, (quite extensive for proposed ops), architect, subs, vendors (equipment and supply availability and timetables, facility stocking timetables and schedules, and back and forth and back and forth, each and every single one not merely a check in but an in depth dialog and explanation, currently falling between billing periods, which then a review and further discussion of next steps and review of progress and alternate approaches due to when and how this is laying (timelines), and so on and so on...(each and every one thoroughly addressing every single aspect of matters not discussed above for various reasons...)....

I call you, we discuss, then one principal, then city, then other principal, then firm discuss, then billing, then back to principal, then other, then back to firm, then on to crew, then back to principals, etc.....working through each and every one on the list and back and forth during...

This time?....It's now Tuesday 3am.....I'm settling in finally a little....have been on this since Thursday(initial new and events came and started Wednesday for Friday announcement).....the process above began on events and actions earlier last week, prepared for what was indicated, such did not transpire, then entire process repeated all over again on lack of finalization...

I see your interests....but, keep in mind, we're not talking mere op (walking into turnkey)....these are builds, ground up, with very tight timelines required....(Not to mention throw on top the coordination and execution of initial upon approval/go ahead (registration, build, staff, training, stocking, bond (15 days from approval, which has not been specified calender or business...prior matters have been calender, such as requests for further information, etc.......)

Part of my issues mentioned above (the difference between reading and executing and an ongoing interest)....

Moving parts are endless....we're basically overseeing every single aspect on our proposed ops..

Every single one....

So....we're feeling it....every movement (and lack of) and every delay...what gets set into motion is quite the list....(again, target asap upon finalization, starting with registration through build through training through staffing through stocking to turnkey with a limited timeline to complete all...

Without stating anything that shouldn't be, it all boils down to the bickering above, which is: The reason they were ready to announce is that all are, and have been selected...as with panel above...

Last week the real annoyance, as they initiated process of pulling the trigger...

Is the above called for?....is it too much?....No. I don't think so. That's what we're paid for. Control and oversight of every single last aspect involved at all times 24/7 until turnkey....and I take that role extremely seriously. Deadly serious. (All the while maintaining such and assuring clients any and every possibility addressed and prepared and all is well, etc, etc, etc......which, depending on the client is more than most can imagine in itself....(I know someones laughing right now about that one ......and in total "agreeance"
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(And seriously cuts down on my kitchen broom dancing time, let me tell ya ...)

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[Bababooey]

Its the rauner administration whos going to decide who gets these licenses, no way were they going to let them be issued without giving them the once over. Maybe they dont change anything and are satisfied with how they were going to be issued, or maybe they change one here, two there.


Here are the appointments to the medical board.
Medical professionals outnumber patients 8-2. so maybe we shouldnt expect them to be real lenient on new qualifying conditions...



Name (Last, First) Ascending Term Expires Member Since Appointed By Position County
Bachmann, Paul 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, registered qualifying patient None
Champion, James 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, registered qualifying patient None
Christoff, Eric 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, General primary care None
Knaus, John 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, Medical oncology None
Leskovec, Jacqueline 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, nurse or nurse practitioner who works with medical cannabis patients None
Miller, Theresa 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, nurse or nurse practitioner who works with medical cannabis patients None
Parikh, Jyotin 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, Pharmacy None
Ramirez, Nestor 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, Medical ethics None
Temple, Leslie Mendoza 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, Family medicine None
Vacant Governor Member, One parent or designated caregiver of a person under age 18 who is a qualified medical cannabis patient None
VACANT Governor Member, Psychiatry or mental health None
VACANT Governor Member, Infectious disease None
VACANT Governor Member, medical cannabis patient advocate or designated caregiver None
VACANT Governor Member, Pain management None
VACANT Governor Member, registered qualifying patient None
Weathers, Allison 01/11/2019 01/11/2015 Governor Member, Neurology

 

[growteam]

The mechanics and moving parts are quite a list....sources, city, county, state, principals (different locations), firm members, staffing, (quite extensive for proposed ops), architect, subs, vendors (equipment and supply availability and timetables, facility stocking timetables and schedules, and back and forth and back and forth, each and every single one not merely a check in but an in depth dialog and explanation, currently falling between billing periods, which then a review and further discussion of next steps and review of progress and alternate approaches due to when and how this is laying (timelines), and so on and so on...(each and every one thoroughly addressing every single aspect of matters not discussed above for various reasons...)....

I call you, we discuss, then one principal, then city, then other principal, then firm discuss, then billing, then back to principal, then other, then back to firm, then on to crew, then back to principals, etc.....working through each and every one on the list and back and forth during...

This time?....It's now Tuesday 3am.....I'm settling in finally a little....have been on this since Thursday(initial new and events came and started Wednesday for Friday announcement).....the process above began on events and actions earlier last week, prepared for what was indicated, such did not transpire, then entire process repeated all over again on lack of finalization...

I see your interests....but, keep in mind, we're not talking mere op (walking into turnkey)....these are builds, ground up, with very tight timelines required....(Not to mention throw on top the coordination and execution of initial upon approval/go ahead (registration, build, staff, training, stocking, bond (15 days from approval, which has not been specified calender or business...prior matters have been calender, such as requests for further information, etc.......)

Part of my issues mentioned above (the difference between reading and executing and an ongoing interest)....

Moving parts are endless....we're basically overseeing every single aspect on our proposed ops..

Every single one....

So....we're feeling it....every movement (and lack of) and every delay...what gets set into motion is quite the list....(again, target asap upon finalization, starting with registration through build through training through staffing through stocking to turnkey with a limited timeline to complete all...

Without stating anything that shouldn't be, it all boils down to the bickering above, which is: The reason they were ready to announce is that all are, and have been selected...as with panel above...

Last week the real annoyance, as they initiated process of pulling the trigger...

Is the above called for?....is it too much?....No. I don't think so. That's what we're paid for. Control and oversight of every single last aspect involved at all times 24/7 until turnkey....and I take that role extremely seriously. Deadly serious. (All the while maintaining such and assuring clients any and every possibility addressed and prepared and all is well, etc, etc, etc......which, depending on the client is more than most can imagine in itself....(I know someones laughing right now about that one ......and in total "agreeance"
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(And seriously cuts down on my kitchen broom dancing time, let me tell ya ...)

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Maybe Im misunderstanding what your saying. I find it hard to understand anything you write. I have to re-read it over and over. Are you saying every time you suspect an announcement you start calling the team members and start going over the same dialog each and every time? Why are you calling the architect? Plans where submitted in September. Moving parts are endless? Nothings moving. Everyone's waiting.

 

[Julian]

Was self explanatory. No, that's not what I stated....but it's only appropriate to keep everyone posted at all times to all movement and advised of current status, specifically when, again, as stated, we see forward movement indicating pulling the trigger. Architect, correct, less of an example, as, yes, all completed on that and MEP for the most part as well, but we do anticipate slight MEP tweaks with appropriate variance requests post app. highly likely.

 

[growteam]

Was self explanatory. No, that's not what I stated....but it's only appropriate to keep everyone posted at all times to all movement and advised of current status, specifically when, again, as stated, we see forward movement indicating pulling the trigger. Architect, correct, less of an example, as, yes, all completed on that and MEP for the most part as well, but we do anticipate slight MEP tweaks with appropriate variance requests post app. highly likely.

Is English your second language? Or are you talking like this so people dont identify you? I dont mean this in a rude way. Im just trying to figure out why you write the way you do.

Not many Illinois boys in this forum. Will you stay on as grower? Or you just assisting in setup?

 

[Julian]

This is a forum, not a technical manual, and the above was once again, fairly clear. I write as I speak. This is not a thesis, it's an informal comment(s).

 

[growteam]

This is a forum, not a technical manual, and the above was once again, fairly clear. I write as I speak. This is not a thesis, it's an informal comment(s).

lol so you sticking around as grower after the licenses issued? Or just consulting for a client?

 

[amannamedtruth]

This is a forum, not a technical manual, and the above was once again, fairly clear. I write as I speak. This is not a thesis, it's an informal comment(s).

Lol id probably be mumbling tough to decipher incoherencies if i were up at 3 trying to sum all this up on a forum too. Ya'll are probably bitng your nails..maybe losing more sleep to anxiety than work at this point. Im just a grower, not keen to the type of work youre doing in the industry...so any type of insight is real interesting. Youre not that tough to understand really...its just a matter of reading and following along lol.

Hopefully you can find some chill solitude to burn one.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Check out this update!

http://www.illinoissenatedemocrats....es-become-law&catid=101:blog-posts&Itemid=450

 

[Julian]

Nah......as you know....as a grower?......patience (once developed ) comes easy, so...for me it's not the wait(ing)......it's more having to deal with all the people who can't......(just spent an hour on the phone with one of my most impatient clients ......)

I was also reading something yesterday....can't cite the source...but was addressing a 2yr. extension of program already, so....(It really, at this specific point, isn't an issue, as first things first, ya know?.....)

Right now just dealing with fallout regarding change in the guard, and the possible/potential implications and how it may (or may not) affect things moving forward....

Again.....they've had the final list(s)......now a matter of will there be any swapping out or not.......(I would assume there will be...), but, right now?....all just speculation and seeing hat comes next....

Im just a grower

In the end?...myself as well.....and, would really like just to get back to work....many things in the works for me/us the second this (IL) is wrapped up, so....(CA, CO....prep and start of season approaching, etc, so.....)....another factor making these delays a problem....want to get back to work (per se)....

For reference (although I wouldn't place too much faith in it)
Quinn also on Monday called for eliminating criminal background checks for patients, extending the pilot program another two years and allowing 22 growing centers.

 

[growteam]

You consulted for more than one client in Illinois? Isnt that a conflict of interest?

 

[Julian]

No. IL is divided into districts. Representing more than one client per district, per operation would be. (Separate dispensary and cultivation clients in the same district would not be. Representing 2 competing operations in the same district would.)

There are many who do. (They might have claimed they don't, and not told clients they did, but did so anyway). We absolutely would not. I'm extremely selective anyway....my accept to deny ratios were literally 1-30/40 ....IL was mostly white collar groups (the attorney and physician groups dominated) with no interest in patients or staff....strictly their end. Nothing else.

I can truly say it has been an honor to have the clients we have. We have had total and complete freedom to create whatever we wished, with patients and staff primary focus. It truly has been a pleasure....and I'm extremely proud at what we have assembled. Cultivation?....no finer teams anywhere on the planet earth. (Yes, I fully realize the depth of that statement....I do not speak of myself...merely of staff and who was assembled to staff certain facilities.....)

 

[growteam]

No. IL is divided into districts. Representing more than one client per district, per operation would be. (Separate dispensary and cultivation clients in the same district would not be. Representing 2 competing operations in the same district would.)

There are many who do. (They might have claimed they don't, and not told clients they did, but did so anyway). We absolutely would not. I'm extremely selective anyway....my accept to deny ratios were literally 1-30/40 ....IL was mostly white collar groups (the attorney and physician groups dominated) with no interest in patients or staff....strictly their end. Nothing else.

I can truly say it has been an honor to have the clients we have. We have had total and complete freedom to create whatever we wished, with patients and staff primary focus. It truly has been a pleasure....and I'm extremely proud at what we have assembled. Cultivation?....no finer teams anywhere on the planet earth. (Yes, I fully realize the depth of that statement....)

Wow I wonder what you came up with. Anything you can tell us about what you dreamt up?

 

[Julian]

We were allowed to create "the ideal". ...

Blank Canvas.....whatever we wished (charitable activities...staff....salaries....design...everything...)

Any and everything our call.......ie: Facility, patients, op, staff was first.....principals fell last, but, as one can imagine....their long term interests based on such are essentially fine ...(and projections all done low end, fraction of facility capability, minimal wholesale levels (low 2's), etc....

I can't take credit....not possible without the principals trust, reason, generosity and understanding, and of course the participation and support of everyone else....so...

 

[growteam]

We were allowed to create "the ideal". ...

Blank Canvas.....whatever we wished (charitable activities...staff....salaries....design...everything...)

Any and everything our call.......ie: Facility, patients, op, staff was first.....principals fell last, but, as one can imagine....their long term interests based on such are essentially fine ...(and projections all done low end, fraction of facility capability, minimal wholesale levels (low 2's), etc....

I can't take credit....not possible without the principals trust, reason, generosity and understanding, and of course the participation and support of everyone else....so...

Whats the square footage like? Greenhouse? Full indoor? Soil? Hydro? Amount of lights?