Illinois revised timelines and guidelines

[Bababooey]

Who wants to bet that Rauner's transition team told the state employees who are reviewing applications that "Heeeyyy there, we're, like, going to be your new bosses in, like, a few weeks, aaaannnndd maybe you want to wait on issuing those licenses, hint hint, otherwise you may be looking for a new job when we come into power, not so subtle hint hint".

Or yeah, they're still 'reviewing documents'. Surely a lot of them, yes. But maybe that's not the whole story.
Wouldn't surprise me IN THE LEAST.

 

[Julian]

Certainly wouldn't be even close to the first time the above has been on the table lately.......

I'm still very confused how even a single individual, let alone a majority actually were/are under the impression this change would be beneficial to the state....

To anyone who pays attention....all the answers are there...(He also recently, out of his own funds, along with two associates, created a $20MM fund, which it is basically stated openly, to ensure their "yet unknown agenda" is supported.....ie: If you do not support us, we turn to the fund to support your opponent, bump you out and replace you with someone who will.

He will not be good for the state, this endeavor, or the patients.

 

[Bababooey]

I think Rauner's concern is not so much that mmj is legal, but that the people who get the mmj licenses may be cronies of the democratic machine. Before he got elected, he said that licenses should be open auction, going to the highest bidder.
So his deal is not that he wants to abolish mmj, which would be going against national trends and would also label him as unsympathetic to people who need this medicine (ptsd veterans, children with seizure disorders, cancer patients, neuromuscular diseases etc), and no politician wants to look like a dick to sick kids and veterans. Especially a republican governor in a democratic state.
His deal is he wants it to go to those who can pay the most.
Which may be almost as bad, but at least it will still be legal.

So if he is taking a hand in the licenses, its making sure theyre not all going to democratic cronies. Gotta make sure the republican cronies get theirs too...
Is it too late to change your party affiliation on your voters registration?

 

[amannamedtruth]

Couldn't make the meeting, but Dan was on Chicago Tonight last evening

http://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2015/01/07/ironing-out-medical-marijuana-details

 

[Julian]

I think many forget the entire process...(I've been addressing this a lot lately)...

Everyone is obsessed with simply "decisions"....

And?.......what does that mean?.....and then what?

There will not simply be a "decision(s)".....with a decision, you have a registration package, further guidelines, instructions, schedules, etc......which I am sure they did not begin developing from day 1...

Currently another focus is on the appointment of the board for the addition of other approved conditions. I would not consider this a current priority...and, in fact, think that under new administration would only benefit operators...(as they would probably allow numerous additional conditions to be added to ensure their supporters prosper....)

I didn't like the above story.....but do applaud the attorney for stating "speculation".....Far too much, which increases by the day. There are so many aspects in play right now, with everyone turning to one or another but forgetting the whole picture......

Btw.......Best of luck to everyone on news tomorrow

....

(4:30pm )

 

[Bababooey]

Well, if those licenses are issued today then maybe rauner isnt going to have a say in who gets them, that could be bad or good.
If not then its even more apparent that julian has no idea what he's talking about.

So dan has his own mmj consulting firm now? Seems like there's more marijuana consulting businesses than actual marijuana businesses, at least in IL. but him i might actually hire, if he doesn't quote me a rate in the $100's per hour...

 

[amannamedtruth]

I think many forget the entire process...(I've been addressing this a lot lately)...

Everyone is obsessed with simply "decisions"....

And?.......what does that mean?.....and then what?

There will not simply be a "decision(s)".....with a decision, you have a registration package, further guidelines, instructions, schedules, etc......which I am sure they did not begin developing from day 1...

Currently another focus is on the appointment of the board for the addition of other approved conditions. I would not consider this a current priority...and, in fact, think that under new administration would only benefit operators...(as they would probably allow numerous additional conditions to be added to ensure their supporters prosper....)

I didn't like the above story.....but do applaud the attorney for stating "speculation".....Far too much, which increases by the day. There are so many aspects in play right now, with everyone turning to one or another but forgetting the whole picture......

Btw.......Best of luck to everyone on news tomorrow

....

(4:30pm )

o you sneaky.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Well, if those licenses are issued today then maybe rauner isnt going to have a say in who gets them, that could be bad or good.
If not then its even more apparent that julian has no idea what he's talking about.

So dan has his own mmj consulting firm now? Seems like there's more marijuana consulting businesses than actual marijuana businesses, at least in IL. but him i might actually hire, if he doesn't quote me a rate in the $100's per hour...

I think that consultants can focus in many areas. Cultivation, cultivation setup, dispo setup and operation, security, wholesale, packaging, whichever. I'd presume he focuses more navigating the legalities at the state level. The industry needs to start a group and hire him to keep getting conditions added to the list.

His full legalization bill that he's introducing is awesome. It would have different tiers of licensing; a homegrow license, small commercial, and large commercial, each with different requirements and fees. Really smart stuff if you ask me, serves everybody well.

 

[Julian]

If not then its even more apparent that julian has no idea what he's talking about.

That certainly wasn't very nice .....

You mean like the last time they were ready to go, in which you followed my statement with posting news days later? .....

There is a difference between relaying what I know and hear and having total and complete control over every single individual in the process and their actions ....

They're supposed to go today before COB. If they do not?.....then there will be stories covering what events occurred the past day or two that led me to state that I'm sure shortly.....

Otherwise.....I'll just laugh and your free to assume what you like about whatever you like.....It makes little difference to me I assure you....but will still offer best wishes for your applications, and proposed operations you have.

His full legalization bill that he's introducing is awesome. It would have different tiers of licensing; a homegrow license, small commercial, and large commercial, each with different requirements and fees. Really smart stuff if you ask me, serves everybody well.

A whole new can of worms.....and a serious conflict of interest to his current "clients"....

The industry needs to start a group and hire him to keep getting conditions added to the list.
His full legalization bill that he's introducing is awesome. It would have different tiers of licensing; a homegrow license, small commercial, and large commercial, each with different requirements and fees. Really smart stuff if you ask me, serves everybody well.

Petitions are open as we speak for the addition of conditions. The board which will approve not selected though.

Several options for rec (CO based, WA based, and so on)....but that's a slippery slope....Home ops alone might be something that causes a problem as makes everyone (general public, state) a little nervous....(I'm in favor, not a personal declaration, just sayin)

 

[amannamedtruth]

hm

A whole new can of worms.....and a serious conflict of interest to his current "clients"....

Not sure if I follow

Petitions are open as we speak for the addition of conditions. The board which will approve not selected though.

Ah, okay.

Several options for rec (CO based, WA based, and so on)....but that's a slippery slope....Home ops alone might be something that causes a problem as makes everyone (general public, state) a little nervous....(I'm in favor, not a personal declaration, just sayin)

I'm not sure they've found a sponsor for it yet, but obviously they write it anticipating concessions to be made.

 

[Julian]

I didn't follow the above....(rec, worms, conflict of interest)....

2. Panel to address further additions has not been selected, this i one of delays...(But, my personal opinion...I don't believe this the urgency of finishing the approvals, which have been done for quite some time...(IDFPR has run much longer than AGR, and, again, my opinion only, while they wanted to finish and announce all simultaneously, we all know cultivation needs quite the head start anyway, so....but dispo and cc tied together in many ways, shapes and forms as well.....(applicants seeking both and multiples another deciding factor in assignments and approvals)...

Point being.....I dont think lack of panel assignments should have delayed all.....I don't think finalizing dispo should have delayed AGR, and so on.....(as well as mentioned above, registration packages for cc and dispos as well.....)

3. I think home growing would kill it. (Again, I favor it, but, in whole scheme of things, tips the scales in respect to "controlled and regulated", etc)...and easy to see what would occur from a personal and residents standpoint......especially in larger metro....)

b. In regard to the above, conflict of interest, etc:
I know I have addressed the rec future endlessly with applicants.....The state imposes ridiculously restrictive obstacles in order to cultivate and distribute, only to later then enable rec, and a more relaxed and dramatically less restrictive set of guidelines for rec.......that would be a serious problem...and an injustice to all who entered medical.....(Forget big money.....what about the less than players?.....Take their entire life's work they put up only to turn around and issue your neighbor(s) permits for a fraction of the price and regulation(s)?...

The 21, given the scope of proposed production, would most likely be able to handle rec and think this was planned from the start....(Not a single applicant has less than 10-20 acre footprint to work with, some as high as 100 acres......)

Amusing afterthoughts:
Many applicants prepared to start such production from day one (multiple acres of GH's), 200-300k sq. ft. facilities, etc....which is comically unwise given the current status and patient count(s).....but, whatever....

Awaiting news today to see if I indeed have complete and total control of the entire Illinois government and each and every individual involved in the program

Not sure what time Monday, or if they can still deliver by Monday.....know he's having his pre party Sunday night, then all his things and afterparty and such Monday so......today seems to be the cut off...can't tell you about weekend and Monday time issues or if possible....

Edit: I can tell you this ...
It's been interesting to see who is, and is not cut out for this.....and easy to tell a grower from the not......ie: Those who can't get through a day without watching the clock (analogy, checking the plants)....and, I dont know about anyone else, but, every false start results in about 12 man hours of additional work for myself and others....(flooded all day with calls and have about had my fill)...so...I for one really don't care....we will know when we know.....it's only the clock watchers who impose the sense of urgency...and being subject to is quite tiring....so....I'm packing it up for the day, things to do, and, if all comes out, sure will be notified and then deal with what is.....(probably as children were the "are we there yet are we there yet"......and, as far as cultivation?.....well.....90 days is 90 days .....so......by all the impatience we have seen....easy to see whose going to be cutting early

 

[Julian]

So much for the 4:30......How dare they alter their stated target!!! (to me, in passing and confidence )....but just heard the 4:30 was one on one with him and airing tonight....so....I've been out and on errands, so..no idea what was stated...(Not true ....but not going to share anything else, can't anyway ......so.......)

We will see.......

(It does appear though it's basically "we're not done, and he's not signing off on it if not done, and will be passed to new admin"....since they have been done....I think we have a problem now....

http://www.nbcchicago.com/video/#!/blogs/ward-room/Quinns-Final-1-on-1--Medical-Marijuana/288067881

He's just havin fun

 

[OVERMAN]

It's funny to see you in Illinois Juilan I've been following you for years. Gave me a lot of inspiration to go big while I was in Chi (born and raised). I gtfo to Co last year and can't imagine them ever getting anything right. I hope there is enough "grey" area for people to make it and not just the politicians relatives.

The stories i could tell about growing on the westside/southside and the only hydro store in the city having a police camera permanently installed hidden outside.

 

[Julian]

Born and raised brother......was telling someone stories about southside warehouses 30 years ago just a couple weeks ago....(and I could readily name the only store 30 years ago ......)

Kind of funny, all that being said to see people and the action(s) and behaviors in IL about this program....(ie: as above...people talking $30MM, dozens of ares, yet completely ignoring the patient count (650 to date, whoo-hoo! ).....

Yeah, rec down the road a serious thing (3rd largest city in nation, what....10-12MM pop metro plus visitors, etc).....but, long ways away....and, as above.....rec goes nd next thing you know your extremely rare and superior position all of a sudden gets pushed to the side and rec production licensed issued for a fraction, so...

I'm/we're focusing personally on elsewhere and other matters...

Long term industry.......(ever near term)....forget cultivation, forget retail....I think is beyond what most even begin to understand....20 something months from now up to another dozen recreational.....and 30MM in IL???.....

I just don't understand it......(Not my advisory or approach......)

(Even CO I don't understand to a degree)....know lot of CA people have various things to say, but........just be patient my friends........(40MM pop and 220MM visits annually?.....that's the true cultivation and retail opportunity......why anyone would focus right now on anything else is beyond me....)

IL issue though fairly predictable (to me)...long term could be a wise move.....Given the above, I don't think "the best" nor an "extremely" wise move.....ie: by the time IL reaches a reasonable point, elsewhere will have greatly surpassed, etc...

I have made clients aware of absolutely every possible angle they were able to comprehend for the most part...

What is fascinating to me is all the "big money" rushing for the "ground floor", and, I have more than once reminded: Industry been in place 20 years.... .....so, for me fascinating that all of a sudden all the white collar groups just rushing to spend 10 times more than they could establish a reasonable footprint in other locations, etc....(Not just IL...East Coast similar.....was fascinated by a $10MM CT op.....dont recall patient counts but a funny estimate would be 300?..(whatever......1000-2000.....dont recall, could check, but, point stands......and my earlier rants...under whose advisory and guidance?.......someones...because big money wouldn't make a 10MM-20MM-30MM move without such, etc...

Me?......I'd rather have 10 large ops totaling 400 acres NorCal, pieces of 40 dispos, CO interests, CBD interests, seed line, and sufficiently padded market positions for in some cases 1/4 the cost of a single IL op out of 21 serving 1,000 patients in the red for the first 2+/- years only to hit rec and see competitors score the same for 1/10th of the price....

But...hey, you know.....that's just me.......what do I know.

Actually......after many conversations.....I think I'd like to stick with that from now on.....Baba's absolutely correct:
I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't know anyone, I heard nothing, I don't have a clue......forget I ever said a word about anything....

Just another guy...I/we know nothing.....about anything, anyone, anywhere....

Nothing.

Nada.

 

[OVERMAN]

Small world. I always figured you grew up in cali. I think coming up in Chi gives people a work ethic most don't have so I'm also not surprised.

400acres. Your the man. Always enlightening. Thanks for everything

 

[Julian]

Nah...(but I do love CA/NorCal ) It seems we definitely have a known and preferred work ethic.....especially when talking NorCal.....(maybe dealing with the bitter cold is part of it....lately a reminder......takes some heart to get some serious work done and go about your business when -30 windchill ....

 

[Bababooey]

That certainly wasn't very nice .....

You mean like the last time they were ready to go, in which you followed my statement with posting news days later? .....

There is a difference between relaying what I know and hear and having total and complete control over every single individual in the process and their actions ....

They're supposed to go today before COB. If they do not?.....then there will be stories covering what events occurred the past day or two that led me to state that I'm sure shortly.....

Otherwise.....I'll just laugh and your free to assume what you like about whatever you like.....It makes little difference to me I assure you....but will still offer best wishes for your applications, and proposed operations you have.


A whole new can of worms.....and a serious conflict of interest to his current "clients"....

I have no operations or plans, but you've been wrong more often than not, in fact from your posts I have concluded that you are no more right than me or anyone else I know. Only difference is we aren't professing to be consultants and 'experts' and charging tens of thousands for our help.
But whatever pays your bills, man.

What are all these consultants going to do now that IL's application process is over? Find another state, I guess. Get your money wherever you can find it.

If you or the applicant you helped actually gets a license, ill take back everything I said about you being clueless. It may have been more due to luck than anything else, but a successful app at least means you knew what you were doing, at a bare minimum.

Most if not all of the mmj applicants probably want full legalization, so long as they have first dibs on the market.
CO gave medical licensees first crack at recreational licenses, for 6 months, and those dudes paid less than 5% of what IL mmj licenses cost. You can bet that if IL ever goes full legal, that current mmj licensees will probably get preferential treatment, especially if they lost big money in the mmj market (650 patients so far, some of them caregivers so not even users, does NOT look good but time will tell).
IL mmj licensees having to pay 5 or 6 figures annually for license renewal, plus setting up the infrastructure to track every bit of product - of course theyll be primary movers on the rec market if it ever comes to pass, they'll have the organization and system already in place to distribute product.

You could even allow home grow in a full rec system; not everyone has the time or space or inclination to have a home grow, for them, it's worth it to pay retail for top product, especially if they're not heavy users (an eighth a week, if that).
For those who cant really afford retail or are heavy/medicinal users, they would have a home grow option.

No bill gets passed without heavy, heavy modification. You can bet existing mmj licensees and their lobbyists will protect their interests in any legalization bill. Right now, it's probably the only way those guys can expect to make real money.

 

[Julian]

Well, since you have zero interests in this game, since you have participated in no way, shape or form, and since you equate one's time, effort and skills in a process which you have no idea what it contained, but equate that with something relayed which changed......No. You owe nothing, nor would I ask for it.

I have in fact, said very little of any specifics, for various reasons. What was offered was for those who might have an interest, as some sort of relief, and, was in fact, accurate.

You see my friend.....maybe, just maybe something has been occurring which no one but the victors know of yet...

If you had any interests....you would know what the things I refer to have been, and their "right or wrong"....your not even in the game.....so....

I'll say no more. Various people know why I have said when I have said it and what that has been based on.

Maybe I wasn't wrong...



Are you sure?



(To those who have a horse in the game ....maybe 4:30 was off....but the point and statement certainly was not .....my best wishes for all.....)

 

[Bababooey]

Well, since you have zero interests in this game, since you have participated in no way, shape or form, and since you equate one's time, effort and skills in a process which you have no idea what it contained...

Is this english?
The 'process' which I have no idea what it contained? Do you mean the application 'process'? The paperwork is out there for anyone to read. Anyone can understand it just as well as you.

Keep talking in mysterious phrases, pretending youre the illuminati because you traffic dope.
Dope is just like any other commodity, the market is all about supply and demand. Only difference is its mostly illegal. Just because youve accepted those risks doesnt make you special, or some sort of (in)famous outlaw, or jason fucking bourne. Dope has been moved around this country before we were born and after we'll die. If you never existed it would still be moved and grown around this country, by the hundreds of thousands of people willing to do the same thing. Im sorry your parents lied to you, but youre not that special.

And keep posting information about the license process that is just plain wrong. So what if its coming from the state? Youre eating their excrement and praising the taste. Dont expect us to.

 

[Julian]

Yes....you drew a specific connection between, as above, effort, skills and expertise in certain areas, and that a single aspect relayed wasn't exactly correct. (4:30pm)...when, sorry to inform, the general point was, and is ...

Secondly...the above is quite disturbing....you consider the members of this community and site "dope traffickers"?....

I am nothing other than what I am, nor have I ever claimed to be anything beyond, and very aware of it's now obvious quite a bit your not. Merely relaying valid information is "eating excrement and praising taste"? ...It simply is what it is....your the one drawing what you will from it...and coming to quite impolite conclusions as to how you yourself are interpreting it....

No. I'm not special. Your tone though certainly indicates you believe yourself to be.

Just keep scampering around posting the news stories after the fact that speak of what I already have.....

The fact of the matter is the past week contained quite a bit of positive activity not released...why it was not, and why delayed past Thursday/Friday (again), I cannot, nor claim to know.... (Similar to the last time.....they were ready, I stated such.........days and days after the fact you were posting stories how they are now ready but there was yet another delay....)

I will say again:
Are you sure I was wrong?

....

Because I wasn't .

Thank you for feedback though......and hope your having a great weekend....

I am ..

Best wishes and a Happy New Year btw....