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Illinois revised timelines and guidelines

Bababooey

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On the plus side, children can now get their anti-seizure cbd medicine from dispensaries.
On the down side, the month is almost over and no licenses have been issued. Really taking it down to the wire, huh?




Children who live in Illinois will be allowed access to medical marijuana in the new year under rules announced by state officials Tuesday.

Those younger than 18 will need permission from a parent or legal guardian, must get the drug through an adult caregiver and will be required to receive approval from their own treating physician and a second doctor. Children may obtain only marijuana-infused products, such as food or liquid drops, and will not be allowed to get raw pot for smoking, under Illinois Department of Public Health rules.

A new state law that took effect this year originally authorized medical marijuana for adults only. But parents of children with severe seizure disorders spearheaded a change in the law to allow ailing minors to get the drug as well.
Some children in other states where medical marijuana is legal reportedly suffered many fewer seizures and fewer side effects after taking marijuana oil that was so low in the psychoactive ingredient THC that they did not get high. Research has also shown that marijuana can help treat pain and improve appetite, and its use in Illinois was approved for any child who has one of about three dozen qualifying medical conditions, among them cancer and muscular dystrophy.

When the change takes effect on New Year's Day, children who apply must submit photos but will not be required to submit fingerprints, as their caregivers and adult patients must do.

State regulators say that before the end of this year, they will announce which businesses will be awarded licenses to operate up to 21 growing warehouses and 60 retail shops spread throughout the state. Then the businesses will have to equip their facilities and grow the first crops, which are expected to be on the market by this spring.

Marijuana remains illegal and is classified as having no medical value under federal law. The American Medical Association and anti-drug advocates oppose its use, warning of damage to the lungs and brain. Critics and advocates of medical marijuana agree that much more research should be done to understand its effects.


The Illinois rules changes also expanded the proposed Medical Cannabis Advisory Board to include one parent or caregiver of a child patient, and at least one health care practitioner with pediatric experience. The board will consider expanding the program to cover additional medical conditions.
 

shithawk420

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Fuck Illinois. it will be a long time before anybody actually gets their medicine. One of the most corrupt states in the country.sorry just had to vent.its still my home.
 

Julian

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One of the most corrupt :biglaugh: ......I always found that interesting....Illinois certainly does not have a monopoly on dishonest politicians.

They're not dragging feet.....they are pretty much at the deadline they announced from day 1. I was discussing the past week with many people that unless one actually participated in the app process, they really have no idea what was involved. (2-18 wheelers full of files to review in 90 days?..100 days?.....by a dozen people?.....)

There are several reasons for extra delay. All valid. Most haven't even given entire process a thought. We're good. They'll have (they have :smoke:) the answers shortly.
 

Garlic Bud

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Thank you for helping me to understand the delay better. I guess I just thought Illinois would be chomping at the bit to collect the permit fees ;). Oh well, back to patiently waiting.
 

shithawk420

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Your saying ill is not corrupt?I've lived there my whole life.No monopoly on dishonest politicians? don't make me luagh! Rod Blogojevich is serviing 14 years for his bullshit!And I got a hell of a lot of respect for you Julian but I get the feeling you might be one of the only people in the wholle state that might actually know whats going on behind closed doors.cuase I sure as hell don't have the million dollars to be one of the only people to grow weed legally.sorry if I'm way off base buts that's the way I see it until I get more information.
 

Bababooey

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Julian is merely saying that graft and nepotism were not invented in chicago or illinois, but have been ingrained in human civilization for hundreds if not thousands of years.
And it goes on all over the freaking world, and all over the freaking country. If you got out there and looked, you would see that. even rankings of corrupt states do not list IL at the top.
So yes, we're corrupt. and we have 4 governors who went to prison, which speaks more to their stupidity than whether they're actually more corrupt than any other governor in this country.
And the fed govt is in the pocket of big corp and wall street. and the tooth fairy and santa claus dont exist. Newsflash: people suck and are greedy. Its been happening since before you were born, probably still going to happen long after you die. But if you want to pretend IL and chicago are the epicenter/origin of greed, then go ahead.

We'll see who gets these licenses. If its all big money/people with 'connections', well then complain all you want. But i think they'll include some people without apparent connections/lower asset totals, just to make things palatable.
whether those lower asset applicants would want a license is another thing; if this business is going to lose money for 1-2 years, its the richer guys who would be better able to weather that...
 

shithawk420

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I apologise Julian and Bababooey.I'm just pissed I can't grow legally in one of the most important agriculture states in the country.But don't tell me this shit dont stink cause I work in the agriculture bussiness.But your right.I don't want put up a million dollars just to find out it wasn't gonna work anyway..I apologize again.it was mostly my emotions.I hope everything works out.sorry guys
 

shithawk420

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Oh,and there will not be anybody with legal smalltime grows.it will only be rich people who knows people behind closed doors,paying people who they bring in from other states to grow their weed,while the guys who farm and grow all your corn and soybeans can't get in that weed piece of pie.If I'm wrong I'll be the first one to say I was wrong.
 

amannamedtruth

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shithawk420

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You guys don't have a fucking clue what its like to grow in the cornfields,even if its indoors ,in a facility,there's gonna be corn worms.And guess where the dope is gonna grown?in the fucking country!You guys don't no shit about big agriculture in illinois
 

amannamedtruth

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You guys don't have a fucking clue what its like to grow in the cornfields,even if its indoors ,in a facility,there's gonna be corn worms.And guess where the dope is gonna grown?in the fucking country!You guys don't no shit about big agriculture in illinois

yes, i do. swamps, too.
 

shithawk420

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Sorry man.Im not in my right state of mind right now.I really do apologize. the stress right now is killing me.I won't act like that again.just got a lot on my plate.I really got a lot of respect for you guys
 

shithawk420

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Hey,thanks for understanding. this is a big world and there ain't no getting off this train were on.let's do the best we can to make it to our desired location
 

Julian

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I think we all agree on most issues....It's been a while.....we're slightly past the deadline (not far enough past to be getting uppity). Many with a lot in the game......time, effort, expense...and for some?.....heart and soul...

I think we will see victors undeserving, and questionable......I have discussed with many the coverage on it with questionable aspects.........(Operations giving wide ranges of their facility footprint(s), wide ranges of estimated cost.......How could one have a thorough detailed and complete set of engineered drawings with a "range" of 20-60k sq. ft :smoke:...

We see a large number of groups consisting of parties which clearly have no specific interest other than profit...which I spoke of myself earlier.....Op's stating 6k units for $4k per unit wholesale in 6 months (despite , what, 1,000 patients statewide now?....).....dispo's speaking of $5-600 a z with pharmacists on staff and "security directors" ex El Al :biglaugh:......24/7 armed security on ops.....(I for one have readily volunteered to sit roofs summer nights with an AR as long as I have a grill and cooler in the summer :smoke:....(I'm pretty much okay to do so (licensing, permits, registration.....)

Last info released dealt with announcing prior to inauguration (Jan 12. That would put us at this week).....Many are very concerned of the implications of passing that date (new administration).

I do know it was originally a target to announce op's and dispo's simultaneously.....but we of course know cultivation will need quite a head start...(ie: They've been done with cultivation....dispo's are still having their zoning issues in the city)...

I think all should also keep in mind the larger picture, especially those unable to meet the financial required and/or the risks....many rec jurisdictions.....more coming up shortly....med states all time high. Of course, IL native's would prefer IL.....but, the opportunities open elsewhere 20 times more attractive, and much less restrictive in terms of start up costs, etc....(IL $225k license only, that's on top of app prep....bond costs assuming inability to escrow....throw security on top....and your already double or triple what could be up and running elsewhere.......

So......we have sheer volume of materials delivered (AGR,IDFPR).....it was also mentioned a back up of background checks.....(which is odd considering all app's delivered with livescan receipts from day 1....but people forget much more to it than that....they're doing a little extra on the back end........

People following will also note press and media doing their digging lately as well into applicant groups....( a good thing on many levels).....

But keep in mind: :smoke:
Growers.........patience in our blood...90 days?......ehh....

(I do know we've had favorable weather......and, lo and behold, now that the serious cold setting in, sure announcements coming.....)

Couple months not the issue.....this is the long game.....bigger picture......
 

Garlic Bud

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I think Julian got it figured out. They had to wait for the REALLY nasty cold to get here. But like you said, 90 day wait is nothing. I always say growing cannabis will teach you nothing if not patience. Just want to say thank you to the people in this thread.
Garlic
 

Bababooey

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I apologise Julian and Bababooey.I'm just pissed I can't grow legally in one of the most important agriculture states in the country.But don't tell me this shit dont stink cause I work in the agriculture bussiness.But your right.I don't want put up a million dollars just to find out it wasn't gonna work anyway..I apologize again.it was mostly my emotions.I hope everything works out.sorry guys

dont apologize for anything on the internet, cause its all bullshit anyway.
if you want to grow legally, go join the green rush in colorado, california, washington and oregon. nice outdoors, plenty of remote land for big outdoor plots.
a lot of physical labor, but if youre a farmer, youre used to it. and probably much more interesting than growing corn or soybeans. and while the price per lb is obviously much higher, im not sure cannabis farmers are rolling in the green anymore. sometimes theyre lucky to get 1k per lb. im sure some corn/soybean farmers make good livings. price of food is always going up.
in fact, like petroleum, the market prices for mj have gone down in the last couple years, like 30% or more. as the ranks of the unemployed/underemployed have grown, so too the # of people thinking to make a quick buck in the mj business. Which is certainly expanding and legitimizing but it is no longer as profitable as it was even a few years ago, at least for the little guys. In the mj business, as in every other industry, the people at the top seem to make more and more and the other 99% less and less.

So dispensaries are going to sell ozs for 400+ while patients can get equivalent medicine on the black market for 200 or less?
And yeah, insurance doesnt cover shit? No one but rich patients are going to go to dispensaries to get gouged.
Hmm, I think like 90% of these licensees are going to fail. Unless the mmj market adjusts prices to better match street prices, which brings the whole profit margin down, but if there's enough patients who are buying maybe they can sustain. And yet patients have been able to sign up for months now and less than 1000 so far are licensed. Disturbing.
 

Julian

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dont apologize for anything on the internet, cause its all bullshit anyway.
if you want to grow legally, go join the green rush in colorado, california, washington and oregon. nice outdoors, plenty of remote land for big outdoor plots.
a lot of physical labor, but if youre a farmer, youre used to it. and probably much more interesting than growing corn or soybeans. and while the price per lb is obviously much higher, im not sure cannabis farmers are rolling in the green anymore. sometimes theyre lucky to get 1k per lb. im sure some corn/soybean farmers make good livings. price of food is always going up.
in fact, like petroleum, the market prices for mj have gone down in the last couple years, like 30% or more. as the ranks of the unemployed/underemployed have grown, so too the # of people thinking to make a quick buck in the mj business. Which is certainly expanding and legitimizing but it is no longer as profitable as it was even a few years ago, at least for the little guys. In the mj business, as in every other industry, the people at the top seem to make more and more and the other 99% less and less.

So dispensaries are going to sell ozs for 400+ while patients can get equivalent medicine on the black market for 200 or less?
And yeah, insurance doesnt cover shit? No one but rich patients are going to go to dispensaries to get gouged.
Hmm, I think like 90% of these licensees are going to fail. Unless the mmj market adjusts prices to better match street prices, which brings the whole profit margin down, but if there's enough patients who are buying maybe they can sustain. And yet patients have been able to sign up for months now and less than 1000 so far are licensed. Disturbing.

So they say
publicly, often......(the 500-600 a z).....while they sit confident :biglaugh:.....

As above somewhere........ops going big (on numbers)....dispo's shooting high end, when, yes.......equivalent street product 200-300 z (depending on ones sources)....and yes.....high end readily abundant for average 250 more or less.....It's quite disturbing the assumptions seen....

I know I/we've been busily working on things elsewhere while awaiting decisions, and that includes potential IL. applicants who are passed over....

I think there's going to be some serious operational issues once up and running......(maintaining the proposed operations with minimal revenue.........and, it will serve them right.......all their scrambling and bumping out the authentic operators......well......here ya go fellas...it's yours :biglaugh:...

Do I think the patients will suffer? No. I don't.

I think what will assist will be the marriage to dispo's. (Yes, You have a dispo 25 minutes away......35 minutes away....but what if the one hour away has larger selection for 40% less? :smoke:....)

And let's be realistic....in Chicago.....an hour commute can be a lot or a little......ie: O'Hare to downtown right day, right time can be an hour and a half.......(When easy/light traffic, it's 10 minutes...)....or, O'Hare to Wisco border right day, right time can be 45 minutes, etc.....so....

We will see.....and shortly.....

Children/CBD mentioned......I saw recently a piece on 80k sq. ft. proposed op for CBD extraction only......guess no one ever told them it's been readily available in all 50 states for I think years now...:smoke:....(One will then state how those products contain contaminants, not refined.......that's old news....these days not the case.....)....
 
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