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Illinois revised timelines and guidelines

Julian

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Article and video addressing influential figures in process

(I didn't know how else to word that one.......)

Text/accompanying story of above video:

For decades, Steve Brown has served as House Speaker Michael Madigan’s alter ego. He’s Madigan’s official spokesman, and has been a member of the powerful inner circle of the Illinois House since 1983.

Starting last year, Brown took on added responsibilities, as press and communications consultant for an entity called Illinois Agriculture Investments LLC, which hopes to land a lucrative medical marijuana license in downstate Marshall County.

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“I met with them a couple of times,” says Brown, who confirms that he attended a Marshall County board meeting and a zoning board meeting when the principals of the group made their presentation.

“I had no contact with anyone from the state level,” he says. “I billed them for the work, they paid me, and I haven’t done any work for them since.”

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“Whether there’s any additional work would depend on whether they are selected.”

Brown argues there is no conflict of interest, because he is not a state employee, (he has a personal contract to do press work for Madigan. State records indicate he was paid a total of $108,226.11 in 2014 for his work in the Speaker’s office).

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And he says he has not made any efforts to contact or influence any state officials. Indeed, he notes his retention by the Marshall County group came after the law was passed by the general assembly. But Brown’s involvement would seem to illustrate how high up some applicants want to go, to make sure they are getting the most high-powered advice.

For example, Terry Gainer, the former Chief of the Illinois State Police, and Sergeant at Arms of the United States Congress, is working as a security consultant for an applicant in Chicago. It could be argued that Gainer once headed up the war on drugs here in Illinois. But the security concerns of the new growers and dispensaries are so rigorous, many have sought out big name help like his during the application process.

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“When I was first called, I was taken aback,” Gainer admits. “It was new to me.”

But he says after seeing the rigorous process his old department was engaged in during the vetting process, and studying the medical aspects of the program, he agreed to sign on.

“Illinois wrote some of the toughest, strictest standards,” he notes. “The investors are very serious, experienced businessmen.”

Indeed, at the Chicago security powerhouse Hillard Heintze, co-founder Arnette Heintze notes the security component makes up fully 20% of the application process.

“There are armed guards being recommended at some of the critical locations,” he notes. “There’s access control. A 360 degree security plan put in place that has very comprehensive and robust CCTV coverage.”

Heintze is the former Secret Service chief for Chicago, and acknowledged everyone at his firm gave heartfelt consideration to taking on marijuana.

“We debated the pros and cons and at the end of the day, when you realize that this is about a medical decision, our state lawmakers have made a decision,” he says. “It’s suitable for our citizens, then there’s no other discussion.”

Hillard Heintze now has 19 clients awaiting a decision on licenses, some of whom, Heintze says are “in the seven figures” in their investment.

“The state authorities will have strict, 24 hour a day, seven day a week oversight of these facilities,” he says, noting that security must be airtight from the growing process, through delivery to dispensaries which will be located statewide. “The vehicles themselves are designed, and a plan has been put in place, to give the product the highest level of security, and transportation was a crucial consideration.”

Former Governor Pat Quinn had promised to act on licenses by year’s end, but failed to meet that deadline, and left office without issuing any permits to anyone. On his first day in office, new Governor Bruce Rauner said he wanted to review the entire process.

“It shows the complexity the state is dealing with,” Heintze says. “Actually, the fact that they didn’t make a decision, I think, shows restraint on the part of our state government.”

 
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Julian

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Video (CBS 2) addressing "investors" concerns

(Although I did note throughout process many applicants actually followed through on purchases, and as story, leases prior to approval...which is the most ridiculous irresponsible unwise move one could do..........and I've pondered throughout if any of them ever heard the term "contingency/contingent upon _____" :biglaugh:...

(For those not versed: Your purchase or lease contract(s) reference a specific event or condition required in order to complete transaction.....ie: Sale/Lease contingent upon state of Illinois approval of purchasers application, etc....)

I've seen at least 10 properties purchased by groups, and endless leases entered into, as in video above.......

Once again.......you gotta love the "sophisticated investor" :biglaugh:

(Figured we'd get back to news , updates, as as was the original intent....)
 

growteam

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Yes and no....and this goes back to "everyone's a master"....(said with sarcasm)....

Facility and knowledge is one thing.......but then you have experience, discipline, dry, cure, genetics (which are preference in the end).....

I would have to disagree....example:
I had many a discussion with principals/investors about their selections.......ie: How do they know how to properly screen?....How do they know what to ask, what not to....what is beyond the resume.......my favorite being: 20 identical resume's and experiences-How do you select? I've done 10hrs of discussions with consultants (ours) before really getting to the bottom, finally, about what is not on the resume....what they truly desire....etc....(and it's always different from hr. 1)

The point being, did they/can they/would they do 200 hrs. on their selected people prior to decision? (Hell no....no one does :smoke:...)

No.....I have to disagree.....I think we're going to see ops running white widow, running them through trim machines (wet trim), quick dry, no cure and then packed up.......

I'll readily gentleman bet you. ($1 bet)....remember this conversation 1 yr. from now.....

Genetics are a judgement call to begin with, with personal preferences playing a heavy role.....some running whats current (which changes as we have seen through the years anyway)......some running yielder's, etc......but....nah....lower end, wet trims, quick dry's and no cures I am certain will be found.....

I know.....you disagree.....let's phrase/let me present it a different way:
Do you really think every single op will be "perfect" :smoke:......

Now...I am reading the above and seeing an error.....and, can share something.... We didn't assign "One" per op..

We did 10 :smoke: (Multiple Masters/Ph.D's,Multiple cup winners, Multiple acre aero operators, etc) Yes. Per op. One is not sufficient. Assuming 24/7 operation, rules and regs call for any time in operation AIC to be present. This equates 4-5 FTE's right off the bat, throw in other variables.....so, no. We didn't assign 1 AIC. We had minimum of 6 per op (AIC's....with several other's...throw in vacations, holidays, at peak production, etc.....

We did 10 per op....(And they while very pleasant , reasonable, and agreeable, as above, all had different genetics selections :biglaugh:)...(But their selections were all high end, plus we have a lot of original signature rare cuts as well...but, the initial were selected anyway, with them each adding their own etc.....(Each must of course be registered, but, there are ways of getting around having to register each and every run/"new product" :smoke:....

Point about the perimeter was exactly that: The perimeter. (now that must also be ADA accessible, so, reasonable, that's 4-5ft around entire perimeter of each and every space utilized, with prop being the exclusion because guidelines stipulate there is no "batch" until 18"....walkways, depending on ones method and systems selected (some have no walkways and simply do the larger tables/movable benches, which in itself indicates extremely high plant counts, but there you run into man hours, as high counts, tagging, cuts, supplies, etc......)....but again......around the perimeter.....(which technically does not meet guidelines as I believe that is "at all times".....tying also into surveillance/security coverage...(open and clear perimeter surrounding all "batches" at all times).....so the movable would also not meet that criteria depending on tagging.....

Regarding judging talent. I can only speak to my own experience. I partnered with team because I owned and operated a 10,000 square foot facility. I had results. My crop could be judged because customer feedback was accessible. As well as sales. I have a track record. I pull a respectable six figure profit. Ive been doing this for 12 years now. Im not unique in this. I knew other growers similar scale, similar income, similar staff and setups. Some fellas with larger facilities. Multiple with really large ones. I dont have a resume. Never needed one. So for me I cant really relate to you with the resume and head grower hiring. Probably where you live vs where I live too. Did you seriously ask a cannabis cup winner for his resume?

Well I certainly hope I dont see uncured cannabis being sold. You really think that will happen with budgets like this? How about this. How long do you think it will stay in production with a lower standard when the competition is producing something that is noticably selling better and getting feedback that says its better? I cant imagine long term there to be quality issues. In my experience in Illinois, these guys are sharp. Wont take long to figure out the staff can't produce and cuts and changes made fast.

You got 10 head growers in one facility? To each their own. Your clearly doing whats worked for you in the past. Would love to see how things are running when dialed in. On the 10,000 facility I owned, I can't imagine another head grower trying to steer my ship. Even fellas on much larger setups ran their own. But I guess its different here right? Fellas I know all owned their own grows. So these guys didnt hire anyone else to steer the ship they just delegated or had management but ultimately one head with a crew underneath organized in many possible ways. Here we have business owners that are successful business owners in other industry coming into the weed industry and needing to hire someone as head growers. You hired 10. Is that what you did?Its like a council of head growers? I guess we just live in slightly different realities. But same industry. How do you avoid a situation where its too many chefs? Your setup must be HUGE. No but when I said 7 heads thats off your right. I was thinking 7 business owners. Each facility needs at least one head so either way 21. Or in your case you would have up to 30 head growers at three facilities. Although Ive seen some Illinois applicants with smaller 20k square foot cultivation. 1 head with proper staff underneath could run that. At least in my experience. Maybe you guys use a different word than head grower.
 
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Julian

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Resume's for all AIC (required when facility in operation, 7 days, 24hrs a day) were required, specifically as part of application and process. Even at 60 hrs. each a week your going to need 3 (resume's included), that is assuming they want to do 7 days....(unless you stagger days, which is another thing we did for some who wished to do couple days in/on, couple days off...so, Yes.....for 24/7 state required resume's, and minimal 4-5 AIC's....(of course, along with resume, prints as well for all AIC's)

Many of course did/do not have resumes, but, since mandatory requirement for application and position as AIC...we created some very impressive ones for them.....

One AIC without resume would not have met/meet application requirements. 3 AIC's with resume's would have just met requirements....(That is again, assuming they're all fine with 7 days continuously, and never take a day off or a vacation for duration of facility operation.

Many have also overlooked the credentials required to operate high pressure extraction equipment.....(Just because one may have, does not mean they are qualified to do so.....)

I suppose no. Not 10 "head" growers. 10 staff, each with extremely impressive credentials (and resumes), and 6 were AIC. (1 required on site any moment facility is in operation.) The others for come and go, various roles.

Our people want to work there. Not live there :smoke:

No, not winner. Winners...and Multiple wins each. :smoke: (Plus couple Masters, couple Ph.D.'s, guys who ran 3-4 acre aero footprints for several years continuosly, etc) :smoke:....

Like I said....no greater crews in a single facility on the planet :smoke:.....(you thought I was talking shit, didn't cha :smoke:)...

Note: The above relating to earlier.....ie: ability to work with others, know their strengths, as all want to be "head(s)", and all certainly qualified....but structure in itself calls for, at best, 1 "head", but then 3-4-5 (shifts/days, etc) under them, and so on......and all were fine nd satisfied with what we did in the end....

Note: It's about giving people what they want....allowing them what they want to do......when they want to do it...how they want to do it, and so on...(we have several "FTE's" who are basically either 4-10hr days or 3-13's, etc....4 on, 3 off....3 on, 4 off.....or come in for 2 days a week, etc, etc......

Further note:
There is of course much more to it than that, but that's myself and firm's specific IP, so....(much, much more to it....)
 
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growteam

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And would you like to share with me who the cannabis cup champion is? Spill it Julian. I know you want to tell me. Just think, if you got a cannabis cup champion and you get 3 facilities. You have a cannabis cup champions hand in 3 of the 21 grow sites. So already thats a sizable market share of cannabis being produced by a highly knowledgeable grower. (assuming all grows roughly producing same amount in terms of volume.)The pressure is going to be on for anyone that doesnt even cure their meds. And I really do hope your wrong there. Because thats just a disaster. Heard of tweed? lol. 100 million dollar company and this is what their head grower came up with

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Julian

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The above just proved my point.....(about do you think all 21 will be "perfect".....)

Never works that way....:smoke:....throw in tight deadlines, throw stacks of bills pouring in monthly......low patient counts.....principals bitching and out the door it goes.........

(whether dispo's will take it, or take it for prices asked will be another matter......)

As stated above.....there is a group (went for 3 CC's)......spouting 6k units in first 6 months for 4k per unit (wholesale) and LED's....(I think thy're budget for all their app's is.....$100MM?....

Up north different though......I thought newest regs were they were grinding everything up??? (Not familiar with CA rules and guidelines...but thought I heard it was going to be them grinding all up/shake......)

Want to? :smoke:....

There's not enough paper or time for me to write all the things I "want to/wish I could" say....:biglaugh:....

Alas.......But never will :smoke:.....(plus my memory is terrible.....)

We've got some serious pheno hunters as well (you know who you are....and sure your in "agreeance" :smoke:...) and quite a few signature strains and more surely to follow......(each one becomes my new favorite.....)

On the subject of the above...(all above.....facility sizes, budgets, quality issues, etc....)

I give it 6-12 months before they start finding some of these consultants in the trunks of their cars abandoned on the interstates....)
 

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The problem right now in Illinois is the time its taking to issue licenses. Do you really think most of the facilities will produce sub par meds? Or a lower instances of high quality/good selection than in other states? There has to be some advantage here with the super high standards. I mean I would say thats a good thing that came out. In my opinion california is a disaster. No offence california. So in that sense we benefited. Im sure you would agree the quality control standards are high.
 
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Julian

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Quality......facilities.......skill sets......credentials.....knowledge........

In the end?

It's art.....we're talking the "work" of "artisans"......(that can be taken from start through finish......genetics (selections, preferences, one's command over nuances and characteristics of such)......same applies through process, cure no different......(10 people will not all do exactly the same way, etc....)

That is one thing I did enjoy going over again and again with IL people.....

Art......"artists"......no 2 identical (no matter experience or credentials).....
 

growteam

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Quality......facilities.......skill sets......credentials.....knowledge........

In the end?

It's art.....we're talking the "work" of "artisans"......(that can be taken from start through finish......genetics (selections, preferences, one's command over nuances and characteristics of such)......same applies through process, cure no different......(10 people will not all do exactly the same way, etc....)

That is one thing I did enjoy going over again and again with IL people.....

Art......"artists"......no 2 identical (no matter experience or credentials).....

Man you must be so annoying in real life.
 

Julian

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Maybe so.......but it'll cost ya $50k to find out :biglaugh:

Please........I didn't even begin to get there :biglaugh: :smoke:...

Still confident in your app?.....:smoke:
 
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Crappy trim job, looks like lower fluff buds. Flower structure not as tight and compact as ive seen, was this outdoor grown or because of the strain?
But hard to tell how it smokes from a picture. If it tastes alright and gives you a proper medicinal effect, and wasnt too pricey, then maybe its not a bad deal.
I think for 90% of consumers, price is the most important aspect, as in they would take a small to medium reduction in quality for a correspondingly greater reduction in price.

I think growteam makes a good point, that with at most 21 facilities in the state, all with at least decent funding, many with ridiculous funding, quality overall should be high.
Unless one or two undercut the market with cheap cheap product, which sells because consumers dont know any better plus its really cheap and they can get twice as much for the same price...
 

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Crappy trim job, looks like lower fluff buds. Flower structure not as tight and compact as ive seen, was this outdoor grown or because of the strain?
But hard to tell how it smokes from a picture. If it tastes alright and gives you a proper medicinal effect, and wasnt too pricey, then maybe its not a bad deal.
I think for 90% of consumers, price is the most important aspect, as in they would take a small to medium reduction in quality for a correspondingly greater reduction in price.

I think growteam makes a good point, that with at most 21 facilities in the state, all with at least decent funding, many with ridiculous funding, quality overall should be high.
Unless one or two undercut the market with cheap cheap product, which sells because consumers dont know any better plus its really cheap and they can get twice as much for the same price...

Just mass produced. You can only trim so well when there's at least 5-10 lbs worth dried, being harvested every week. It'll take a skilled trimmer an hour an ounce, at least, to trim off every bit of leaf. That stuff looks like some $35 an 8th CO dispo weed. I'd be upset about paying anything more than that for it, retail or med.


Also, what's an AIC?
 

growteam

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@Julian, We are very confident with our app. Our team is experienced in dealing with strict government setups on an industrial scale. Its the waiting thats frustrating. I didnt want to take on a consulting gig in the mean time but I might have to. I dont know how long this is going to drag out for. Your head grower is a cannabis cup champion but he needed a consultant to design the facility? So either you dont have a cannabis cup champion. Or you do and he has never grown on any larger scale. Speaking from experience, I wouldnt want a third party designing the grow facility which I will be in charge of. Nor would I need one.

@Bababooey, Its between $9-$12/gram.

@amannamedtruth, lovely pics. Are they yours?

Baba or amman do you have an application pending? Or are you guys living in Illinois as patients?
 
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Bababooey

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AIC means agent in charge.
Every cannabis business employee that handles the plants is an agent (have to pass background check, etc). Some are in charge. Guess that's the 'master grower' equivalent (Colorado uses the term 'master grower'? Some of those cannabis colleges may issue master grower certifications. wanna go back to school?).

I have nothing pending i just wanna drive by an IL business with a neon green pot leaf sign on the front. Maybe walk past and catch a whiff.
 

growteam

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AIC means agent in charge.
Every cannabis business employee that handles the plants is an agent (have to pass background check, etc). Some are in charge. Guess that's the 'master grower' equivalent (Colorado uses the term 'master grower'? Some of those cannabis colleges may issue master grower certifications. wanna go back to school?).

I have nothing pending i just wanna drive by an IL business with a neon green pot leaf sign on the front. Maybe walk past and catch a whiff.

Baba for someone that just wants to drive a green pot leaf sign, you sure are familiar things :)

Sadly I dont think you will catch a whiff because everything is vac sealed.

Baba can I ask you. Idea situation, how would things need to unfold in Illinois for you to say its an idea situation? Do you like the idea of the strict system? Do you prefer one similar to California or Colorado?
 

Julian

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amannamedtruth said:
Also, what's an AIC?

Bababooey said:
AIC means agent in charge.
Every cannabis business employee that handles the plants is an agent (have to pass background check, etc). Some are in charge. Guess that's the 'master grower' equivalent (Colorado uses the term 'master grower'? Some of those cannabis colleges may issue master grower certifications. wanna go back to school?).
Yes and no and yes and no.....

1. All cultivation employee's are agents. They will have to submit prints for a background check for employment...

Agents (employee's) were not required to submit resume and prints with application.

2. Agent(s)-in charge:
At all times of operation an agent in charge is required to be on premises.

AIC resume's and prints were required for application on submission.

3. "Master Grower" "Certification" by a school would be inadequate.As we know, in this place.......a "master grower" is not a status one achieves in 6 weeks for $500 :smoke:...(I've seen resume's in which one had minimal cultivation time under their belt and they had obtained a "master grower certification".....)

Such would also not be deemed acceptable for the position(s) without the appropriate corresponding academic credentials...

GT....I'm very curious how you were able to design and staff a facility when it seems you are not well versed on the guidelines which dictated that/those process's....much of the above indicates that the minimum weren't even met, let alone exceeding them...

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Some medicinal art :joint:
:biglaugh: you totally just read my mind.....was just looking through some pics and have some new ones this weekend....(have a bunch of things coming down somewhere this weekend....some GSC x's which are looking very impressive...)

Went through that aspect a lot with people past year........"Art"...."artists".....(White collar groups time and time again used the alcohol analogy.....but not well........ie: "Beer is beer right?".......which I loved informing them...."Not even close" :smoke:...they really have no idea...hence my above....going to be a wide variety of quality and product because principals don't know the difference, how to screen, the nuances of product, etc....

To them? "Beer is beer".....
 

growteam

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GT....I'm very curious how you were able to design and staff a facility when it seems you are not well versed on the guidelines which dictated that/those process's....much of the above indicates that the minimum weren't even met, let alone exceeding them...

I avoided commenting on the guidelines. Or sharing anything with you that I thought you would benefit from.

My intentions where to keep you talking.
 

Julian

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And if you think I didn't know that from first post....well........just furthers my points :biglaugh:

(It was obvious to more than one as well :smoke:....)

I wouldn't worry too much about me benefiting from anything you might say :biglaugh: :smoke:

Edit: That reply was equally predictable :biglaugh:.....
 
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