ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[Tom Hill]

Mrdizzle,

When Peron co-wrote 215, it was a beautiful simplistic proposition - indeed a masterpiece. As nobody in their right friggen mind wanted to deprive folks who benefited from the medicinal properties of cannabis its use and so of course it passed with flying colors and will remain in effect.

This one here though, well, it's quite a bit different man. It's much tougher to get folks on board with it. No way it would ever stand a chance unless we threw "them" some bones, and so it does. I don't feel we'll end up choking on them bones either, just pile them up in the corner of the cannabis prohibition grave and there is no time like the present to get that ball a rolling before "they" rip the carpet out from under us - again. Those who receive (dwindling since 1996, today is already lower than '78+/- when it all began) compensation for cannabis they grow will continue to do so, outlaw or otherwise.

I do not agree with your many points regarding this creating new restrictions and felonies as you and others (Peron for example) would like to portray. I have many friends that have gone down and the first thing they throw at us is child endangerment etc under current laws -it's ALL covered NOW. I could go on and on one by one but the bottom line is that Peron et. al are full of crap on many of those counts.

No, this law is a good one overall, it is good for cannabis. is good for the gene pool (very important), is good for the little guy, its got more good bones in it than bad. It won't much effect the outlaw grower who will just set up shop somewhere where bud is in more demand and needs a changin of which there are many. And to be honest, some in Nor/Cal are looking forward to the exodus and relative peace and quiet.

Whether or not it will do much if it passes (I highly doubt both) is besides the point, I can NOT vote something like this down, no way man - I feel like it would be like applying for work at the DEA or local correctional facility. Just look at how many of these cocksuckers are against it then please re-evaluate your position and YES - it really IS that simple. -Tom

 

[JackTheGrower]

We all know, if this bill pass the next day the federal govt will not announce they declare MJ the saviors saint and cut funding on MJ arrests operations or even dent federal arrests. This will however send a clear message to the fed's that we as 1/50 of a nation are ready for a change. !

There is a difference between State and Federal. States have rights to deal with Cannabis and the federal has rights too especially in the commerce between States and with International Trade.

Oh I can see it being an interesting situation.

Will the Federal People become the "Enforcers" that protect California Canna-businesses?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Mrdizzle,

When Peron co-wrote 215, it was a beautiful simplistic proposition - indeed a masterpiece.

The Horticulture Rights were Brilliant!

We don't get proper Horticulture rights with Prop 19.

No way to grow out 100 plants to find the right one to breed as a private citizen unless they fit in a 5x5..

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Mrdizzle,

When Peron co-wrote 215, it was a beautiful simplistic proposition - indeed a masterpiece. As nobody in their right friggen mind wanted to deprive folks who benefited from the medicinal properties of cannabis its use and so of course it passed with flying colors and will remain in effect.

This one here though, well, it's quite a bit different man. It's much tougher to get folks on board with it. No way it would ever stand a chance unless we threw "them" some bones, and so it does. I don't feel we'll end up choking on them bones either, just pile them up in the corner of the cannabis prohibition grave and there is no time like the present to get that ball a rolling before "they" rip the carpet out from under us - again. Those who receive (highly dwindling since 1996) compensation for cannabis they grow will continue to do so, outlaw or otherwise.

I do not agree with your many points regarding this creating new restrictions and felonies as you and others (Peron for example) would like to portray. I have many friends that have gone down and the first thing they throw at us is child endangerment etc under current laws -it's ALL covered NOW. I could go on and on one by one but the bottom line is that Peron et. al are full of crap on many of those counts.

No, this law is a good one overall, it is good for cannabis. is good for the gene pool (very important), is good for the little guy, its got more good bones in it than bad. It won't much effect the outlaw grower who will just set up shop somewhere where bud is in more demand and needs a changin of which there are many. And to be honest, some in Nor/Cal are looking forward to the exodus.

Whether or not it will do much if it passes (I highly doubt both) is besides the point, I can NOT vote something like this down, no way man - I feel like it would be like applying for work at the DEA or local correctional facility. Just look at how many of these cocksuckers are against it then please re-evaluate your position and YES - it really IS that simple. -Tom

....I cannot vote on this Prop 19 since I am not a Californian......but I agree with Tom who is and the way he is thinking on it.....Prop 19 has more good points about it than bad......nothing is ever perfect, but could be perfected over time......whats the sense in waiting another 3-5-or 10 years to try and get some better bill up there to vote on, when part of what we would like to see is included in Prop 19 already?.......and that can be amended to suit the needs of Californian cannabis growers, users and suppliers in the years to come......

 

[igrowone]

all the MJ culture members that i see prepared to vote no, it makes me believe change is really at hand<br>
the world will have to be upside down when MJ is finally legalized(to an extent), up is down, left is right<br>
i have no doubt the negative rhetoric will continue, but these are the atypical California voters

 

[JJScorpio]

To those of you that keep talking about commercial grows, 5 pound outside plants and the such, this isn't about commercial growing. Do you fail to understand that? This is about people being able to grow their own Cannabis and to freely smoke that Cannabis without fear of arrest, loss of job, Lawyer fees, etc, etc. It's got nothing to do with how many plants you can grow to sell, how much you'll charge or what your market will be. That's not what the Bill is about. Can you discuss it from that aspect or you unable to associate with a person not trying to sell?

I know 11 people from the State of California. I have spoken with 7 of them and they all back this Bill and tell me they know of no one against it. Along with the input from this site it seems this Bill has a very good chance of passing.....

 

[Tom Hill]

We don't get proper Horticulture rights with Prop 19.

No way to grow out 100 plants to find the right one to breed as a private citizen unless they fit in a 5x5..

Come-on Jack. If you can't get your rights under 19 then take them as you do under 215. If you can't get them under either then do what your heart tells you is right. Isn't this what canna-folks have always done anyway? Damn straight bro. This is not exactly a gift horse, we've been sweating, crying, bleeding for this all our lives, perfect no, but look into its heart, not its mouth. -T

 

[JackTheGrower]

I am just chatting here. I already know what the facts are Tom.. Some don't.

 

[dagnabit]

More states passing medicinal cannabis would have a much larger impact nationaly, and internationaly than 19 passing.

remember there are still people out there that think, "evil drug" when they hear, "marijuana". legitimizing the medicinal use of marijuana is a huge step towards the acceptance of marijuana.

this is where thinking "big picture" helps.

many states have tried to legitimize medicinal marijuana only to have the "just get a script for recreational" attitude in california used as the negative example of how the medical system is a joke.

along comes a measure that allows me to grow and possess as much as i need without abusing the med system and you tell me i should not support it because it is not good enough?

whiskey tango foxtrot over?

 

[JackTheGrower]

....I cannot vote on this Prop 19 since I am not a Californian......but I agree with Tom who is and the way he is thinking on it.....Prop 19 has more good points about it than bad......nothing is ever perfect, but could be perfected over time......whats the sense in waiting another 3-5-or 10 years to try and get some better bill up there to vote on, when part of what we would like to see is included in Prop 19 already?.......and that can be amended to suit the needs of Californian cannabis growers, users and suppliers in the years to come......

I think we can do it Right in 2012 with additional Initiative.

We should try for as much Freedom as we can IMO.

If Prop 19 becomes law then by the time local ordnances get implemented all over California Prop 19 will look a lot less attractive IMO.

See in California we have a History of Strong Conservative and Strong Liberal political forces and they are always in Play.

That is why my posting seems to be like keeping the Volley Ball in the air. I am a Native Californian born not 15 miles from where I am at this moment.

You should come to the Central Valley and I will show you around.

So we always have this struggle and it only ends when the Polls close and only on the basics of this law; ie the Framework. Then it 'Aint over" as the court battles start.

So yes 2012 is actually optimistic and 20 years hashing it out is more realistic.

We just finished the major fights for Prop 215 this last year? Then the local Ordnances started going up such as Zoning and height on plants. Then the ever popular Nuisance laws.

So respectfully in California Politics this is just the start on this issue and we Californians need to keep making the effort!
So we had better help everyone know now while they are paying attention what the real "Skinny on the Dope" Is!

Respectfully Gypsy it's an illusion that we can stop even after November.

Ernst

 

[localhero]

Tom is right, you will still be covered by 215 regardless.

ahhhhhh too many people i respect greatly are in favor of this.

fine ill change my vote.

but, it could be a shit storm. and i still think if growers in cali dont organize, lobby and work against the foulness that could come from this....

i still say we all put our power together and put up a full on legalization, decriminalization prop. clean up 19.

 

[Tom Hill]

Dearest Jack,

Or,,,

It's a shitload better to get this passed NOW, change perception, have much of it ratified by congress etc, WAY the fuck before 2012 or we and our beloved may just be up shit's creek again for another how many years bro? -T

 

[contra]

Seriously if you are from california and are thinking that you may lose some freedom by the passing of this bill or even that the quality of your bud may diminish, just remember that their are seriously ill patients in other states smoking $20 a gram rope soaked in pesticides and crushed seedoil while they hide from police and even their own families. Obviously things are gonna get hard for the 1 out of 200 people who use cannibus and also grow it, but there are those other 199 who could use a break. You knew the trade was illegal when you got into it, and now the risks you took are gonna catch up with the excess profits you have been living on for years. Suck it up and find a new way so we can all see the war come to an end before we die. Put the People first.

 

[miltonchitlin]

Much respect to localhero for taking a look at the bill and changing his mind on the matter.

 

[nomaad]

I am glad there are still a few months to go here. I am officially back on the fence and will be following up on the two articles posted here. Thanks to both posters.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Guys how did we get here in the first place? The People.. That won't change even if Prop 19 passes or fails we will still violate bad cannabis laws. We just have a few new Felonies to deal with.

This Prop 19 is the Early Bird trying for the Market-Share-Worm and making sure the People have no proper horticulture rights to actually grow this plant in any significant way. From my point of view.

It's another Brick in the Wall Tom but just what building is it?

 

[localhero]

contra,

i dont see 19 lowering costs any more than the mass influx of people to cali in search of green gold via 215 already has.

i welcome competition.

19 does open a door for commercial licensing, and what some people are worried will happen is something similar to oaklands 4, on a larger scale. but hey we didnt need 19 for oakland to do what it did?

that is something we as a culture and community need to work against.

excluding people from growing is not competition, its the opposite, and it will not drive down costs or improve med quality.

my wonder is, how would large non med commercial carpet baggers plan on evading federal minimum sentencing on cultivation laws?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Tom is right, you will still be covered by 215 regardless.

ahhhhhh too many people i respect greatly are in favor of this.

fine ill change my vote.

but, it could be a shit storm. and i still think if growers in cali dont organize, lobby and work against the foulness that could come from this....

i still say we all put our power together and put up a full on legalization, decriminalization prop. clean up 19.

I am officially undecided. I will take time to look at things myself but i will vote.

I welcome some encouragement on voting yes. It has to be more than "I don't want to wait." Time is on OUR side!

 

[JJScorpio]

Why would anyone want to pass a law that would allow them to grow and smoke their own Cannabis when they could say piss on that Bill and get arrested and all the goodies that go with it?

Some of these arguments ae rediculous. Even with what this Bill is, you still have more than now. Did you ever think a lot of people just want to grow and smoke their own Cannabis? It's not about growing 20 pounds to a lot of people. It's about being legal.

It's like some people are having a tantrum. "If I can't grow as much as I want to, I don't want to grow any legally. It makes no sense....

Guys how did we get here in the first place? The People.. That won't change even if Prop 19 passes or fails we will still violate bad cannabis laws. We just have a few new Felonies to deal with.

This Prop 19 is the Early Bird trying for the Market-Share-Worm and making sure the People have no proper horticulture rights to actually grow this plant in any significant way. From my point of view.

It's another Brick in the Wall Tom but just what building is it?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Dearest Jack,

Or,,,

It's a shitload better to get this passed NOW, change perception, have much of it ratified by congress etc, WAY the fuck before 2012 or we and our beloved may just be up shit's creek again for another how many years bro? -T

The way I see it is we have to sacrifice for everyone else. if sitting tight another two years accomplishes that then so be it in my book Tom.

We just need to stop trying to close a deal most don't understand before they understand it IMO.

Tom take in to account the level of awareness created with these Initiatives.. Nothing now is as Richard and Crew were working with..
Things have changed and the Cat is out of the Bag.. We will never go back to being a Nixon State of Weed again in California.

Oh and I'd be all over tax2010 if they had the Balls to protect workers in the Initiative.

At the end of the day I am but one Voter..

Tom if it makes you feel better McClatchy Papers has shifted to Center on their Cannabis Articles.