ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[2Lazy]

Haha...you notice how 2Lazy edited a sentence that said one thing, to just a few words, that mean another--

Read what I quoted from a previous poster. I edited out what was unrelated.

Notice how you also chose to make edits in your own quote? Just read the whole damn thing and tell me what's confusing! Stop trying to put people "on blast" and pick fights. You're underestimating your own intelligence.

Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls

(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
<dl><dd>(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual's personal consumption, and not for sale. </dd><dd>(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands. </dd></dl> <dl><dd>(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption. </dd></dl> <dl><dd>(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection. </dd></dl>

Read what is highlighted, and read the whole print, and then try to tell me I'm misleading people. I'm summarizing the important points, but that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the regulations.

This whole "all or nothing" attitude has to go.

 

[kmk420kali]

Read what I quoted from a previous poster. I edited out what was unrelated.

Notice how you also chose to make edits in your own quote? Just read the whole damn thing and tell me what's confusing! Stop trying to put people "on blast" and pick fights. You're underestimating your own intelligence.

Read what is highlighted, and read the whole print, and then try to tell me I'm misleading people. I'm summarizing the important points, but that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the regulations.

This whole "all or nothing" attitude has to go.

No man...you were trying to say that 19 gives "All People" the right to grow personal-- But it doesn't...only 1 5x5 per residence or parcel-- You specifically left that out-- I am not trying to pick a fight bro...I have nothing against you, just the way you edited out what didn't fit what you were trying to convey...and I have a hard time believing it was not done on purpose--
As far as me editing....lol, bro, the rest of what was there, TRULY had no relevance to what was being said...however the 1 grow per residence, regardless of how many smokers live there, does--
No hate, just pointing out a fact--

 

[localhero]

hahah amen to the 3 hour pre trim per plant. with only 20 plants that still took me forever.

one thing id like to add to that equation is, what about paying back your investors? lol my trimmers make more money than i do right now after all is said and done. my indoor barely pays the bills. granted my choice in some genetics contributed greatly to that... but thats also part of learning how to do it right.

bottom line is that it takes time and experience and alot (a whole lot) of hard work to be successful growing for a living. you can get lucky, you can also get really unlucky. when you have people working for you, even more is riding on your shoulders to make ends meet.

cali prices are the lowest in the country. i would also argue, the most organic meds aswell. before someone who doesnt know what they are talking about wants to complain about the high price of meds in cali, should also ask themselves how fair are their own (local) prices?

the ganja growing game isnt as easy or as profitable as some people would mislead you to believe. can it be extremely lucrative? hell yes. but shit, this is a growing site, shouldnt everyone know this?

 

[Hydrosun]

Do us a favor and substantiate what you're saying here with hard fact because I'm sick of hearing this repetition of fear mongering where those making these claims fail to substantiate them when questioned. Med laws have so much gray its' laughable. You're saying Prop 19 is more gray?

"we thick skulled individuals DON'T believe you because for DECADES we have been buying and smoking WITHOUT government help." Yes the taxes we have been paying have been incredible. The most expensive ounce of a plant you'll ever buy. Large legal grows will drive down the price and that my friend is your real problem. Hey and besides the taxes we pay to a bunch of greedy green capitalists we get our arses busted and thrown in jail; we get treated like substandard citizens and sacked from jobs for testing positive. Legalization (Prop 19) means this ends ---- period.

You asked me to substantiate what I was saying about Prop 19 making more of this community criminals. Well that new law would set an age of 21, but 95% of this ICmag community (see very recent poll on the subject) started before 21. You seem to speculate that $1 an oz weed would be a bad thing for me personally, well it would not. I have held the extremest view that this plant is no different than tomatoes or strawberries grown by hobbyist. Sure you can get those things in a store with a sticker but you can also get them in parking lots hosting farmers markets.

The tomato and strawberry industries didn't need laws against the home gardener and neither do we.

I am not fear mongering about Prop 19, I am merely pointing out that it includes offensive language that would CRIMINALIZE the activity of many of the growers on this site. I understand that growing is already criminal, but Prop 19 is not seeking to REPEAL bad law. Prop 19 wants to replace the current IMMORAL scheme with a different IMMORAL scheme and it wants good people of this community to sanction the IMMORAL restrictions of Prop 19. Compromise on freedoms, liberties, and moral values destroys ones self respect.

My body my choice, if I prefer home grown to industrial that is my business.

Why does Prop 19 seek to make criminals out of the home gardener? Is a 10x10 tent industrial? Not by a long shot but it is 400% the allowable space under this bad proposal.

This is a RE-CRIMINALIZATION bill not a LEGALIZATION proposal.

 

[localhero]

i agree with you hydro, what this bill does for human beings under the age of 21 sux.

what i cant seem to find a clear answer to, but which has me intrigued: is the 5x5 grow space a floor or a ceiling? if its a floor, much like the 6 12 nonsense of 215, then ok not so bad.

it would be up to us as a community to make sure every county, not just pot friendly counties, set much more liberal grow regs.

im still bummed that this bill couldnt have just decriminalized, legalized and taxed, instead of regulate grows and create new penal code.

 

[JJScorpio]

Years ago I had a flowering area of 7 foot long and 2 1/2 feet wide with 2- 600 watt hps over them. I flowered 14 plants in 2 gallon containers and on some grows I would have just under 2 lbs of trimmed dry bud. Thats roughly only 18 sq. feet. I could do that every 60 days. Thats a lot of bud for a household to go through in 2 months. That would last my wife and I a year. I could do 4 of them a year which would allow for 30 days vegging between grows. So if I kept it going I would be able to do 7 pounds and up over a year.

It going to be interesting to see how some people take advantage of that footprint. In that sq footage I could have added another 4 to 6 plants and done another 8 ounces or more.

My question is, in the 25 sq foot, if I had 10 foot ceilings could I have a vegging area above or below the flowering area as cubic feet arent stated?

 

[localhero]

heres a thought:

since alot of people here believe that california legalizing marijuana would have a huge impact on the global cannabis community, why dont we all pool our money and put up a ballot meassure that actually decriminalizes and legalizes marijuana?

it would cost around a million and a half dollars to get the sigs and pay for advertisements.

we all agree that full legalization is better than 19 right? well lets do something about it. we can get this money, thats not much spread out from everyone in this community.

we could set the wording to overturn the bad shit in 19, extend freedoms and DO THIS RIGHT!

 

[bterzz]

heres a thought:

since alot of people here believe that california legalizing marijuana would have a huge impact on the global cannabis community, why dont we all pool our money and put up a ballot meassure that actually decriminalizes and legalizes marijuana?

it would cost around a million and a half dollars to get the sigs and pay for advertisements.

we all agree that full legalization is better than 19 right? well lets do something about it. we can get this money, thats not much spread out from everyone in this community.

we could set the wording to overturn the bad shit in 19, extend freedoms and DO THIS RIGHT!

no shit bro. people just wanna jump on the first bill that says 'legalization' in it, when it does not do a fucking THING for us or our community.

if everyone had the balls to wait until 2012 (im going to have to anyway, not of legal age to smoke, pffft) then we would get a lot more accomplished.

im voting no

peace

 

[localhero]

hows this:

5% of your yearly income if you live in cali towards a full legalization ballot meassure.

2% if you live outside california.

this is a floor, not a ceiling, feel free to contribute more.

almost every single yes vote on this thread has had the accompanying, "its flawed" tag line. here we have an opportunity to do something about it.

 

[headiez247]

I fail to see why so many people are getting angry.
Are people really that afraid of competition? Competition's going to lead to a high quality produst.....

People who's sole income is based on this product in california won't be able to compete when large corporations open 500,000 sq foot warehouses and churn out pot. Even if that didn't happen, just it becoming legal will drastically reduce the cost. It in no way guarantees that quality will go up.

It will be the Walmart affect.

99.9% of the people who are so psyched about this law are people who's income doesn't depend on the market staying where it is at. If legalized, as you said, prices will drop to the point where the normal medical provider won't be able to continue anymore.

 

[localhero]

headie, im not concerned with prices dropping. i welcome the competition from my fellow ganja growers. i hope we are all fighting to make the highest quality meds, i hope we are all fighting to outdo each other. that only makes things better.

my concern is that big business will manufacture and lobby for laws and regulations that will exclude the common man from even bein able to grow in the first place.

how can that happen?

easily, by say, making it cost 400000000 dollars to have a liscense to grow more than 25 square ft.

if that is the outcome of this prop 19, then we will all suffer higher prices and lower quality.

regulating who has the right to grow is ANTI !!!!! competition.

believe that.

 

[headiez247]

my concern is that big business will manufacture and lobby for laws and regulations that will exclude the common man from even bein able to grow in the first place.

how can that happen?

easily, by say, making it cost 400000000 dollars to have a liscense to grow more than 25 square ft.

Totally agree.

 

[mrdizzle]

^^^ its already happening in oakland

Im truly suprised to see the big outdoor growers like T-hill and HL voting yes. being crafty isnt going to help you or your friends sell your 250lbs of outdoor when the indoor coming out of one of oaklands pot mills will be cheaper. Its not like you can go to city hall with $250k cash and buy a permit, all your money best be documented from legit sources or the IRS is gonna take your freedom and your land.

 

[MoldyFrogToe]

People who's sole income is based on this product in california won't be able to compete when large corporations open 500,000 sq foot warehouses and churn out pot. Even if that didn't happen, just it becoming legal will drastically reduce the cost. It in no way guarantees that quality will go up.

It will be the Walmart affect.

99.9% of the people who are so psyched about this law are people who's income doesn't depend on the market staying where it is at. If legalized, as you said, prices will drop to the point where the normal medical provider won't be able to continue anymore.

They should have prepared/should be preparing for something like this [more competition] to happen. That's a basic foundation of business 101. And as has been suggested before, the little guys can band together and apply as a bigger group in order to compete.

Not everyone survives in transitions like this, it's unfortunate but it makes no sense to hold back an entire immense movement/reformation of law because of this fact. People will get by.

You could have said the same about alcohol...take a look at all the microbrews out there..the evidence knocks this argument down. Comparing this to walmart doesn't hold up. Comparing this to pharma companies doesn't hold up. The industries are just too different to compare to the MJ market in this way. It's a superficial argument that if you look at closely falls apart.

 

[localhero]

They should have prepared/should be preparing for something like this [more competition] to happen. That's a basic foundation of business 101. And as has been suggested before, the little guys can band together and apply as a bigger group in order to compete.

Not everyone survives in transitions like this, it's unfortunate but it makes no sense to hold back an entire immense movement/reformation of law because of this fact. People will get by.

moldy, dissallowing people to grow more than 25 ft is not competition. thats called, eliminating competition.

 

[igrowone]

... My question is, in the 25 sq foot, if I had 10 foot ceilings could I have a vegging area above or below the flowering area as cubic feet arent stated?

since no one has ventured a guess, i'll start the 'bidding'
when not present explicitly in the law, the judiciary usual tries to look to the intent, which in this case is to provide for 'personal use'
so i'd think there will be some stacking limit
someone, of course, is going to try stack a bunch of grow spaces at some point, provided prop 19 passes
if i was the judge, i'd say the height of a normal residential room is reasonable, say 7 foot or so(forget what the code is in residential rooms)

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

no shit bro. people just wanna jump on the first bill that says 'legalization' in it, when it does not do a fucking THING for us or our community.

if everyone had the balls to wait until 2012 (im going to have to anyway, not of legal age to smoke, pffft) then we would get a lot more accomplished.

im voting no

peace

by "community" are you referring to yourself and your worthless braindead high school friends???

can you drink? Can you rent a car? Can you rent a house?

No because people your age are immature and ignorant. which all of you anti 19ers seem to prove over and over.

I vote we raise the voting age to 25. That way you'd have to have some idea about what is happening in the world instead of doing the whole 'baby wants his bottle routine'


Like I said, only people against this are minors and micro-growers/dealers

 

[Bhakti]

Control

Control

Dudes, dudes, let's first screw our heads on straight. These people, the ones behind P 19, are simply trying to make progress. Progress, not perfection.

It bothers me about this bill that it claims legalization but in reality it just creates more stipulations and regulations about how WE cannabis consumers are ALLOWED to consume our beloved plants. This bill explicitly states that public use of cannabis is not allowed. It must be used in a controlled environment to be legal. Also, people under 21...come on. I started smoking when I was 16. 21 is such a bullshit age, every country with younger drinking laws has less of a teen drinking problem as our pathetic union. Make the legal age something reasonable like 17. People here need regulation...wtf happened to freedom of use? The cannabis community has been built upon certain ideas of freedom, and this stupid law comes in and creates more laws and regulation.

To truly change the world, we need to REPEAL prohibition. Let's stop rationalizing and splitting hairs and have a FREE MARKET that is taxed. Taxation and no regulation will be the truest form of legalization. NO REGULATION.

Why the fuck are politicians such pussies that they need to dictate "oh you can have your pot but you need to be licensed to grow or distribute. Oh you can have your pot but....sorry only one ounce. ONE OUNCE!!!???? that lasts most medi users less that 2 weeks. WTF...

okay fine, you can smoke pot but we're still going to smash and grab your grows and stores to exert our power and control on you guys.

wow.


wake up and smell the bullshit.

if i were a californian i would vote yes, but only because its better than being locked up in a cage.

Progress, not perfection.

 

[headiez247]

They should have prepared/should be preparing for something like this [more competition] to happen. That's a basic foundation of business 101. And as has been suggested before, the little guys can band together and apply as a bigger group in order to compete.

Not everyone survives in transitions like this, it's unfortunate but it makes no sense to hold back an entire immense movement/reformation of law because of this fact. People will get by.

People will get by. lol. I'm sure thats what Walmart said when it invaded countless rural towns and put every hardware/clothing/grocery store within 50 miles out of business.

We live in a survival of the fittest world. In this economy, I'm looking out for myself, period. Even with my BA degree, if I can't do what I'm doing right now, I'm gonna be working a 9-5 making 40k or less a year. Realistically I'll have to move to the East coast and do what I'm doing now but in a less then friendly law environment. Med users in Cali don't get locked up, and when I say med users I mean a typical person with legit medical problems who goes to a clinic and buys a ounce. Passing this law isn't going to suddenly allow sick people to get weed, they already can.

re: should of seen this coming/prepared for it. Again, using the Walmart reference, not everyone has crazy profit margins like the larger corps. Not everyone can put aside 10's of thousands of dollars in case they need to... what, expand? save up for the quarter million dollar permit that will be required to grow any more then a 25 foot space? Please.

re: smaller growers banding together. Ya I just don't see that happening.

 

[Anti]

Funny how the only people knocking this are micro growers

I'm a micro grower (for safety reasons) who might not be a micro grower any more once this thing passes! (If you currently have a 10k+ grow you might think a 5x5 is a microgrow, but compared to my 4 sq feet of veg and flower, 25 sq feet is MASSIVE.)

Most of the "no" voters I've seen are the medium-time commercial growers and the hood-rat dealers who fear a loss of easy living.

Lot more people suffering under these prices and quality issues than there are that will suffer if they have to start working for a living. Sorry guys! Hope you enjoyed raping us for the last few decades.