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I thought dispensary experiences were suppose to be pleasant
Cojito
Active member
bit of a leap there.
i never said i don't want it to be mainstream. or that i place profit before people. i said be careful what you wish for. because should Medical marijuana ever be accepted as real medicine by the general public then it'll be sold in drugstores.
Cojito
Active member
well, folks that use Cannabis are by definition counter-culture as they do not follow cultural norms.
On another note, and this is really where my head is on this:
If we don't take the reins on this and bring it to the masses in an exceptable fashion, I know some corporations that would love to step-up to the plate and give it a go.
What do you think they'll make dispensaries look like ?
i think the masses want cheap drugs sold by licensed pharmacists. so with acceptance comes CVS and Walgreens etc.
you can indirectly.
when my horse won't drink the water, i start blowing ganja smoke at it, eventually a cotton mouth develops for the horse, over time he has no other choice but to drink the water!
Or, just give the horse a water enema with a garden hose.
And tell him: "How you like them apples"!
He'll drink from then on... LOL
C
Cookie monster
Not really understanding what your problem with drugstores selling MMJ is?
Truth be told, if the product is organic, vacuum sealed and has THC content and manufacture date...
I would just show prescription and out in a second.
Even safer in some aspects. Less opportunistic thugs waiting outside the dispensary.
You come out with a brown bag, same as any other non MMJ customer.
C
Cookie monster
And it would make it more accessable for patients with mobillity issues or those without transport.
Every small county town has a pharmacy while probably none have a dispensary.
C
Cookie monster
You seem to have this pre-defined notion that cannabis users are "counterculture" whatever that means?
Nice of you to stereotype us all tho
Cheap availabe to all meds is a good thing for reasons even my dogs can understand.
That'd be awesome! I was in Walgreens this afternoon and I'd love to have come home with some nice WG-brand dank in my bag along with my allergy meds and batteries! (I bought some Hot Tamales, too--they were on sale)
M
Marywanna
Seems to me that the tobacco companies will be the ones to package mj if it becomes legal. I'll have a pack of them there Silver Haze ones.............
Cojito
Active member
i have no problem with it at all. but IF i owned a MMJ dispensary i'd be concerned 'cause i'd be out of business.
Cojito
Active member
You seem to have this pre-defined notion that cannabis users are "counterculture" whatever that means?
Nice of you to stereotype us all tho
Cheap availabe to all meds is a good thing for reasons even my dogs can understand.
you seem to have a smart dog. maybe you should have him read my posts.
look, it's neither my notion nor my definition. blame the dictionary if you want. you're counterculture when you hold values that deviate from societal norms. Cannabis and MMJ are not mainstream. in fact, there's a war against Cannabis if i remember correctly.
mainstream society, and even many MJ smokers, don't think MMJ is legit. like medicinal alcohol in the days of prohibition, they see MMJ as just a way of making Cannabis legal. which BTW is cool with me.
but you do raise an interesting point. some MMJ users (like you) don't see themselves as counterculture. they're normal, they say, they're not filthy hippies getting high - they're just taking their doctor prescribed medication.
so, in the end, maybe you're right. maybe you really are mainstream and once MMJ is available in drugstores worldwide you'll be at war with all of us recreational smokers.
In America the best thing you can do with something you care about is to keep it out of the government's hands.
Some believe that we are really by the people for the people, some of us know better.
PS Filthy hippies getting high is just as normal as normal noncountercultre professionals medicating. WE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE. WTF?
Some believe that we are really by the people for the people, some of us know better.
PS Filthy hippies getting high is just as normal as normal noncountercultre professionals medicating. WE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE. WTF?
dikaiosune
New member
Haven't been around to chime in along the way, but having read up to this point, I was hoping to make a couple of remarks about the general tension here.
It seems to me that a lot of us see increased "mainstream legitimacy" as the death of compassionate dispensation. We move toward a more retail pharmaceutical model if people start wearing suits, they say. Well, sure. Doesn't where you live have a corporate supermarket and a healthfood store and some sort of farmer's market, or some combination therein? They each represent a distinct approach to providing food, analogous to the distinct perspectives we're seeing here. The one thing they have in common is that they actually participate in larger societal systems--at Safeway and Whole Foods (two examples available near me, dunno bout yall), everything sold has to conform to pretty strict standards. This means testing for contaminants (mold, other chemicals, etc), "professionally dressed" employees, and clear, standard labelling. It also means a loss of personality and a loss of many other identifying characteristics which make foodservice at its best special. However, Whole Foods is a whole lot better in these areas than Safeway or Albertsons', or whatever. And even better than WF are local farmers' markets, where you can interact with the people responsible for the food (or at least a direct agent), and have a wider variety in many cases, etc. However, you don't necessarily get regularized GCMS testing for contams. Sure, the bigger corporate entities control a large portion of the market, but they are still incapable of choking out the market for those of us interested in a more personal, real experience. To draw the analogy back home, plenty of us will always be interested in going to a dispensary that is "unprofessional," even if the "professionals" take over the majority of the market. Let's face it: in today's day and age, authenticity is a niche market. My point here is that a legitimate marketplace will sustain countercultural endeavors, we just have to accept what small a slice of the overall market it will be. Accepting this, we are tasked with establishing a legitimate marketplace--something we don't have, even if several states want to claim it. While writing this, I'm living in a state which may have dispensaries in the next couple of years, but it ain't here yet.
The problem is that weed is federally illegal for any use, medical or otherwise, and we are in the process of changing that. Yes, it would be ideal for us to jump straight to a world where we can pick between Safeway and a local wine and cheese boutique and vote with your dollar. However, that's not the case. So, what do we do? We have to win hearts and minds while doing the best we can for ourselves. This means using what avenues we have for just recourse and reform, while simultaneously shifting outside perceptions of the movement so that it's more acceptable--basically get some fucking laws passed in the states so that feds can't do shit but accept the trend.
You can bitch all you want about it being wrong for the government to control us, and I'll agree, but you should be out finding a plot of land to secede from the union with, because there ain't a part of this planet that isn't governed by someone. You're using the internet, and that means you're plugged in to the system, so we've gotta work (to a certain extent) within it if we actually want it to change, otherwise you're just another black-market opportunist claiming to be helping patients.
So, if you're still reading, and can agree that we have to accept our call to work within the system, we have to ask: how best can we do that? I submit to everyone here that it is not by infusing a pervasive countercultural message into the medicinal marijuana movement. I agree, there are strong roots, but for a time, we have to set those aside and just work on legitimizing both real operations and perceptions. This means:
a) Standardizing tests/labelling of potency (if possible)
b) Standardizing tests/labelling of contaminants
c) Standardizing labelling of genetic pedigree (where possible)
d) Standardizing privacy practices (a la HIPPA)
e) Encouraging dispensary owners to require reasonable attire of employees (read: uniforms like every other "respectable" business, or at least a dress code)
f) Encouraging dispensary owners to decorate clubs in a modest fashion which prevents anyone in the community from feeling alienated by a difference in style (e.g. I never, ever, ever, enter a Hot Topic. Sound like a trend we want to establish?)
g) Potentially forming watchdog groups to help monitor the community from the inside, before feds or simple haters come knocking
h) Finding some way to discourage recreational cardholders. This is perhaps the worst thing for the community, but something almost impossible for a dispensary owner to prevent.
Of course, this is, to most, an objectionably long list. However, I can say that where I live, everyone sees CA & CO clubs in particular as drug dens. That's not going to change until the majority of these items happen. I saw a long article in the NYT about Denver and Boulder dispensaries, and something that stuck with both the author and myself was the fact that a couple in Boulder have events like Medical Milkshake night. Does that sound like a typical, mainstream event? Hell NO. Do I want to go to it? Hell YES. However, as long as other states that are more on the fence on the subject, Medical Milkshake night will be a sticking point for voters--what crazy conservative wants to have one of those types of dispensaries popping up near them? Very few.
Again, down the road, when we have a legitimate marketplace established, you should be able to do what the fuck you please. You can go to CVS for your meds and get them all sterilized and shit (eww, but its gotta happen). You can go to the Whole Foods equivalent (maybe with some posters and pipes and shit), and have some modest character, but also have some Quality Assurance backing the project. Or, you can even go to your homie down the road at the "farmer's market" whose labeling/testing requirements are a lot looser, but he's got the ba-dank-a-dank for cheap and a massive Bob poster with Buffalo Soldier blasting. Take your pick. Then, we can vote with our wallets and see how things shake out. Until then, why not close the ranks, present a united front and get some laws passed with public support? Then we might actually be able to start taking care of patients.
It seems to me that a lot of us see increased "mainstream legitimacy" as the death of compassionate dispensation. We move toward a more retail pharmaceutical model if people start wearing suits, they say. Well, sure. Doesn't where you live have a corporate supermarket and a healthfood store and some sort of farmer's market, or some combination therein? They each represent a distinct approach to providing food, analogous to the distinct perspectives we're seeing here. The one thing they have in common is that they actually participate in larger societal systems--at Safeway and Whole Foods (two examples available near me, dunno bout yall), everything sold has to conform to pretty strict standards. This means testing for contaminants (mold, other chemicals, etc), "professionally dressed" employees, and clear, standard labelling. It also means a loss of personality and a loss of many other identifying characteristics which make foodservice at its best special. However, Whole Foods is a whole lot better in these areas than Safeway or Albertsons', or whatever. And even better than WF are local farmers' markets, where you can interact with the people responsible for the food (or at least a direct agent), and have a wider variety in many cases, etc. However, you don't necessarily get regularized GCMS testing for contams. Sure, the bigger corporate entities control a large portion of the market, but they are still incapable of choking out the market for those of us interested in a more personal, real experience. To draw the analogy back home, plenty of us will always be interested in going to a dispensary that is "unprofessional," even if the "professionals" take over the majority of the market. Let's face it: in today's day and age, authenticity is a niche market. My point here is that a legitimate marketplace will sustain countercultural endeavors, we just have to accept what small a slice of the overall market it will be. Accepting this, we are tasked with establishing a legitimate marketplace--something we don't have, even if several states want to claim it. While writing this, I'm living in a state which may have dispensaries in the next couple of years, but it ain't here yet.
The problem is that weed is federally illegal for any use, medical or otherwise, and we are in the process of changing that. Yes, it would be ideal for us to jump straight to a world where we can pick between Safeway and a local wine and cheese boutique and vote with your dollar. However, that's not the case. So, what do we do? We have to win hearts and minds while doing the best we can for ourselves. This means using what avenues we have for just recourse and reform, while simultaneously shifting outside perceptions of the movement so that it's more acceptable--basically get some fucking laws passed in the states so that feds can't do shit but accept the trend.
You can bitch all you want about it being wrong for the government to control us, and I'll agree, but you should be out finding a plot of land to secede from the union with, because there ain't a part of this planet that isn't governed by someone. You're using the internet, and that means you're plugged in to the system, so we've gotta work (to a certain extent) within it if we actually want it to change, otherwise you're just another black-market opportunist claiming to be helping patients.
So, if you're still reading, and can agree that we have to accept our call to work within the system, we have to ask: how best can we do that? I submit to everyone here that it is not by infusing a pervasive countercultural message into the medicinal marijuana movement. I agree, there are strong roots, but for a time, we have to set those aside and just work on legitimizing both real operations and perceptions. This means:
a) Standardizing tests/labelling of potency (if possible)
b) Standardizing tests/labelling of contaminants
c) Standardizing labelling of genetic pedigree (where possible)
d) Standardizing privacy practices (a la HIPPA)
e) Encouraging dispensary owners to require reasonable attire of employees (read: uniforms like every other "respectable" business, or at least a dress code)
f) Encouraging dispensary owners to decorate clubs in a modest fashion which prevents anyone in the community from feeling alienated by a difference in style (e.g. I never, ever, ever, enter a Hot Topic. Sound like a trend we want to establish?)
g) Potentially forming watchdog groups to help monitor the community from the inside, before feds or simple haters come knocking
h) Finding some way to discourage recreational cardholders. This is perhaps the worst thing for the community, but something almost impossible for a dispensary owner to prevent.
Of course, this is, to most, an objectionably long list. However, I can say that where I live, everyone sees CA & CO clubs in particular as drug dens. That's not going to change until the majority of these items happen. I saw a long article in the NYT about Denver and Boulder dispensaries, and something that stuck with both the author and myself was the fact that a couple in Boulder have events like Medical Milkshake night. Does that sound like a typical, mainstream event? Hell NO. Do I want to go to it? Hell YES. However, as long as other states that are more on the fence on the subject, Medical Milkshake night will be a sticking point for voters--what crazy conservative wants to have one of those types of dispensaries popping up near them? Very few.
Again, down the road, when we have a legitimate marketplace established, you should be able to do what the fuck you please. You can go to CVS for your meds and get them all sterilized and shit (eww, but its gotta happen). You can go to the Whole Foods equivalent (maybe with some posters and pipes and shit), and have some modest character, but also have some Quality Assurance backing the project. Or, you can even go to your homie down the road at the "farmer's market" whose labeling/testing requirements are a lot looser, but he's got the ba-dank-a-dank for cheap and a massive Bob poster with Buffalo Soldier blasting. Take your pick. Then, we can vote with our wallets and see how things shake out. Until then, why not close the ranks, present a united front and get some laws passed with public support? Then we might actually be able to start taking care of patients.
M
Marywanna
Damn. That was a good post. MW
Interesting viewpoints on both sides.
I refuse to conform to appease those who are undecided
on the benefits of MMJ. I refuse to turn my back on the history and roots of this movement simply for expediency and mainstream acceptance.
As far as the dispensaries pictured,I see absolutely nothing wrong with them??
As a med patient and caregiver
in a non friendly state I find most of these complaints laughable.
I put my ass on the line every day (never made a $$ at it BTW)
and people want to complain about a Marley poster being bad for the cause??? Or someones hat?? WTF
I refuse to conform to appease those who are undecided
on the benefits of MMJ. I refuse to turn my back on the history and roots of this movement simply for expediency and mainstream acceptance.
As far as the dispensaries pictured,I see absolutely nothing wrong with them??
As a med patient and caregiver
in a non friendly state I find most of these complaints laughable.
I put my ass on the line every day (never made a $$ at it BTW)
and people want to complain about a Marley poster being bad for the cause??? Or someones hat?? WTF
dikaiosune
New member
BabyHuey, it seems to me that you might be oversimplifying the issue.
I agree that ultimate conformity is a sacrifice we cannot allow. Conforming completely to societal expectations completely kills the individual, and that's what we all (at least most of us) hate about big pharma and the Walgreens complex. And, when it really comes down to it, nothing is worthwhile if we cannot keep our true selves alive. If, like is the case for many of us, our true selves are rooted in various countercultural movements, or even in philosophies of individualism, this true, inner self is almost always at odds with whatever society does. We are persecuted for being different (stoners and non-smokers alike), and that very tension between society and the individual has always been, and I argue will continue to be. So, what can we do?
1) Continue to accept that persecution is a part of our lifestyle, and fight the day-to-day efforts of the DEA and local fuzz. This, to me, is unacceptable. Toking up (again, for me) is about being in harmony with the world, and feeling a lack of anxiety and regret, combined with a relief from the pain I feel as a result of chronic conditions. If I'm smoking to avoid the stress caused by me smoking, isn't this a little paradoxical?
2) Conform to societal expectations and just take opioid painkillers and anti-nausea drugs. Again, unacceptable for soooooooo many reasons. Not only are these not practical solutions to my particular medical problems, but it means that I have given in and been steamrolled by this grotesque beast of civilization.
-or-
3) We can change the minds of other people and also change the laws which grant sanction to our persecution. Essentially, we can change society (or, put more idealistically, we can change the world). This can be done in any number of ways.
Now, if you want to choose the 1st or 2nd option, be my guest (BabyHuey, it sounds to me like you'd prefer we all take the first path). I, however, have other things on my agenda than being dragged back into the mud for another slugout every time someone realizes I smoke. I want to lead a life in addition to marijuana, not just fight this one, particular cause. Which means that I, like a good number of people, want to establish a section of the world where I can feel safe and un-hunted by "the man." So, I desire the third path.
How do we change minds and laws?
Certainly not with this attitude. Again, this is the attitude of the first path I described, where we make no progress into legality for MMJ. Roots and history are essential, but the roots and history at question here are of recreational, religious, and other branches of stonerdom. As far as I can tell, MMJ is a slightly more complex issue than being free to put what you like in your body. MMJ says, essentially, "alright, given that we have a complex (over-bureaucratic, over-lobbied, kinda broken) medical system which has stated over and over again that smoking cannabis doesn't have harmful long-term effects in comparison to the benefit it can provide, give us a special position in opposition to the Single Narcotics Convention of 1961." We want to be able to legally use it as a medicine, the same way several queens of England have, along with god knows how many other humans alive since the plant was first "discovered." What I'm saying is, set aside the cultural attachments to MMJ, let it stand on its own, scientific merit (of which it has more than plenty), and we might get some less biased public opinions. Continue to draw the link between (people who may or may not be seen as) "communists", "hippies," "thugs," "punks," etc., and MMJ, and public opinion will continue to stay bigoted and unaccepting.
As an individual who would like to someday have access to dispensaries, I see nothing wrong with them. I hate doghair in my bud, but whatev. I rather like many of the decorations in certain places, and I can even see how some people in an inner city might appreciate having the counter guy strapped so their cash doesn't get made off with, or so they aren't involved in a robbery in progress. However, as someone who is fully behind complete legalization/decriminalization of MMJ, I have to say that these setups hurt current perception of the movement, which, in turn hurts our/my goals of making it OK for these shops to be everywhere. Like I said in my last post, once we have legal "rights" (again, "the man" sucks, but he has lots of guns and jail cells) to do this wherever we like, there's no reason not to cater to each niche market with your merchandise and atmosphere. But I would argue again and again that right now MMJ is an experiment in the eyes of most officials, and we cannot allow this experiment to fail, at any cost. The best ways we can do this are to:
1) Step up the level of scientific credibility behind our claims
and
2) Improve public perception of the movement. This means stopping reporters from writing stories and taking pictures in such a way that makes dispensaries seem like dens, or even just shady, especially with 16 y/o football players claiming fibromyalgia (in the most extreme, probably nonexistent cases
).
I, like many patients/caregivers on this forum, live in a nonfriendly state, which has been in deliberation for years about whether to adopt a dispensary system or the like. The main concern seems to be safety of the product and its diversion to "non-patients". While I would prescribe ganj for almost everyone in modern society, we really have to address these barely semi-rational fears before we can expect legitimacy. Safety of products is ensured with good growing setups and regular tests of crops for mold, mites, etc. That needs to be the standard across the board, IMO, because a) who wants mold in their bud? and b) there can always be other standards of safety for less commercial operations. The second issue which needs to be addressed is the fact that seemingly healthy people read on Wikipedia about some symptoms and go into a doctor to get some high-quality, recreationally legal herb. This has to stop. Dunno how, but it has to stop, because more than some guy's hat (although I do think that hurts things as well), teenagers/non-patients smoking weed from dispensaries will kill the movement.
And, BabyHuey, as to my remark about blackmarket opportunists, it was a bit late at night for me and I didn't mean to pluck any strings. There will always be a place for those who don't like the standards in place--the black market, where there is no tax, no testing required, etc. I, however, have received plenty of bud that when inspected with a microscope contained non-trichome based crystals--definite sign of chemical contamination (I imagine that JWH-018 shit or some other synthetic cannabinoid, hopefully not ketamine). I hope for a world where I can trust individuals on the black market to not ever do this, or to inspect it and not pass it on, but for now I'll settle for government intervention and a regulated marketplace.
I agree that ultimate conformity is a sacrifice we cannot allow. Conforming completely to societal expectations completely kills the individual, and that's what we all (at least most of us) hate about big pharma and the Walgreens complex. And, when it really comes down to it, nothing is worthwhile if we cannot keep our true selves alive. If, like is the case for many of us, our true selves are rooted in various countercultural movements, or even in philosophies of individualism, this true, inner self is almost always at odds with whatever society does. We are persecuted for being different (stoners and non-smokers alike), and that very tension between society and the individual has always been, and I argue will continue to be. So, what can we do?
1) Continue to accept that persecution is a part of our lifestyle, and fight the day-to-day efforts of the DEA and local fuzz. This, to me, is unacceptable. Toking up (again, for me) is about being in harmony with the world, and feeling a lack of anxiety and regret, combined with a relief from the pain I feel as a result of chronic conditions. If I'm smoking to avoid the stress caused by me smoking, isn't this a little paradoxical?
2) Conform to societal expectations and just take opioid painkillers and anti-nausea drugs. Again, unacceptable for soooooooo many reasons. Not only are these not practical solutions to my particular medical problems, but it means that I have given in and been steamrolled by this grotesque beast of civilization.
-or-
3) We can change the minds of other people and also change the laws which grant sanction to our persecution. Essentially, we can change society (or, put more idealistically, we can change the world). This can be done in any number of ways.
Now, if you want to choose the 1st or 2nd option, be my guest (BabyHuey, it sounds to me like you'd prefer we all take the first path). I, however, have other things on my agenda than being dragged back into the mud for another slugout every time someone realizes I smoke. I want to lead a life in addition to marijuana, not just fight this one, particular cause. Which means that I, like a good number of people, want to establish a section of the world where I can feel safe and un-hunted by "the man." So, I desire the third path.
How do we change minds and laws?
Certainly not with this attitude. Again, this is the attitude of the first path I described, where we make no progress into legality for MMJ. Roots and history are essential, but the roots and history at question here are of recreational, religious, and other branches of stonerdom. As far as I can tell, MMJ is a slightly more complex issue than being free to put what you like in your body. MMJ says, essentially, "alright, given that we have a complex (over-bureaucratic, over-lobbied, kinda broken) medical system which has stated over and over again that smoking cannabis doesn't have harmful long-term effects in comparison to the benefit it can provide, give us a special position in opposition to the Single Narcotics Convention of 1961." We want to be able to legally use it as a medicine, the same way several queens of England have, along with god knows how many other humans alive since the plant was first "discovered." What I'm saying is, set aside the cultural attachments to MMJ, let it stand on its own, scientific merit (of which it has more than plenty), and we might get some less biased public opinions. Continue to draw the link between (people who may or may not be seen as) "communists", "hippies," "thugs," "punks," etc., and MMJ, and public opinion will continue to stay bigoted and unaccepting.
As an individual who would like to someday have access to dispensaries, I see nothing wrong with them. I hate doghair in my bud, but whatev. I rather like many of the decorations in certain places, and I can even see how some people in an inner city might appreciate having the counter guy strapped so their cash doesn't get made off with, or so they aren't involved in a robbery in progress. However, as someone who is fully behind complete legalization/decriminalization of MMJ, I have to say that these setups hurt current perception of the movement, which, in turn hurts our/my goals of making it OK for these shops to be everywhere. Like I said in my last post, once we have legal "rights" (again, "the man" sucks, but he has lots of guns and jail cells) to do this wherever we like, there's no reason not to cater to each niche market with your merchandise and atmosphere. But I would argue again and again that right now MMJ is an experiment in the eyes of most officials, and we cannot allow this experiment to fail, at any cost. The best ways we can do this are to:
1) Step up the level of scientific credibility behind our claims
and
2) Improve public perception of the movement. This means stopping reporters from writing stories and taking pictures in such a way that makes dispensaries seem like dens, or even just shady, especially with 16 y/o football players claiming fibromyalgia (in the most extreme, probably nonexistent cases
).I, like many patients/caregivers on this forum, live in a nonfriendly state, which has been in deliberation for years about whether to adopt a dispensary system or the like. The main concern seems to be safety of the product and its diversion to "non-patients". While I would prescribe ganj for almost everyone in modern society, we really have to address these barely semi-rational fears before we can expect legitimacy. Safety of products is ensured with good growing setups and regular tests of crops for mold, mites, etc. That needs to be the standard across the board, IMO, because a) who wants mold in their bud? and b) there can always be other standards of safety for less commercial operations. The second issue which needs to be addressed is the fact that seemingly healthy people read on Wikipedia about some symptoms and go into a doctor to get some high-quality, recreationally legal herb. This has to stop. Dunno how, but it has to stop, because more than some guy's hat (although I do think that hurts things as well), teenagers/non-patients smoking weed from dispensaries will kill the movement.
And, BabyHuey, as to my remark about blackmarket opportunists, it was a bit late at night for me and I didn't mean to pluck any strings. There will always be a place for those who don't like the standards in place--the black market, where there is no tax, no testing required, etc. I, however, have received plenty of bud that when inspected with a microscope contained non-trichome based crystals--definite sign of chemical contamination (I imagine that JWH-018 shit or some other synthetic cannabinoid, hopefully not ketamine). I hope for a world where I can trust individuals on the black market to not ever do this, or to inspect it and not pass it on, but for now I'll settle for government intervention and a regulated marketplace.
Go build your cold sterile dispensary.
Patients enjoy the ambiance and companionship that many of these shops provide. That is why you see the shops you do...
If patients wanted a plain pharma style get in get out there would be more of them.
