HP Stadium

[Guest]

2 stadiums, WOW.

That's going to be allot of smoke. lolol
Take care and thanks for sharing.
BG

 

[anonymiss12345]

Well, I'm in BC Canada so power usage is not too big of a deal but things are changing in some communities with some new legislation passed where the community can request high usage accounts and then spring a safety inspection. The place is a no grow zone after that but it's not a search warrant or anything.

I find having 4kw of light on 24/7 is not a worry.

Ya, it depends on the Municipality to make use of this new "By-Law"...but the cut off is 93kw/hr a mth. Over that and you may be looking at one of these "safety inspections".
In a house that is lived in, even by only a couple people...a 5 lighter will be the max.
However...I suspect that if you are just over the 93kw/hr...but there are enough people running higher than you during their "Blitz-O-the-Week"...a guy may escape the wrath...lol

 

[mr cheese]

Ya, it depends on the Municipality to make use of this new "By-Law"...but the cut off is 93kw/hr a mth. Over that and you may be looking at one of these "safety inspections".
In a house that is lived in, even by only a couple people...a 5 lighter will be the max.
However...I suspect that if you are just over the 93kw/hr...but there are enough people running higher than you during their "Blitz-O-the-Week"...a guy may escape the wrath...lol

man thats some bad news right their! lukcy i aint in bc1 lol
nar seriously tho it will be like that every where soon, the old bill have even got a hand held heat seeker over here in the uk! they jst walk down the road pointing it at houses, if they see anyfink to hot they get a search warrant! been shuting down 3-4 a DAY! in london

 

[seaofvert]

it was just a suggestion people .
i m gonna try making the same system so every little detail counts .
so mystics do not overprotect northern farmer here .
the guy is able to run perfectly or close to perfection his growroom so i believe he can also tell people what he thinks of a reply .lol

northern farmer .

in a stadium set up using 3 sides and 5 shelves how many plants would you grow with a 600 watts?

 

[mysticls]

this thread needds more pics

 

[ChristianTaylor]

Didn't Northern Farmer say he was gonna be doin' the road trip thing for the next 3 days.

-CT

 

[mariman]

Props

Props

Just gotta say thanks to Northern for putting all this effort into helping peeps out and sharing his time tested designs!!! Gonna help a lot of peeps avoid mistakes which we all know can be costly

 

[Guest]

northern farmer .

in a stadium set up using 3 sides and 5 shelves how many plants would you grow with a 600 watts?

I'm not quite clear with what you mean?

3 sides? Do you mean 3 sides around 1 bulb? That's almost a Colosseum set up. I've never gone away from this design besides running a few tables. I might be running a Rotogro soon tho.

I've never used a 600w in my growing for anything. I really can't help you there. I've only ever flowered my plants with 1000w bulbs.

I can't come up with more than a pic guys. I just simply forgot in the hellish tour de trim. It was frigging out of control with the 2 locations being 4.5 hours away. 2 trims on 3 rooms and a re-and-re. All in 4 days!

 

[Bonzo]

Just gotta say thanks to Northern for putting all this effort into helping peeps out and sharing his time tested designs!!! Gonna help a lot of peeps avoid mistakes which we all know can be costly

Indeed to that!! Thank you NorthernFarmer! That is a hell of alot of work in 4 days! You deserve a rest!

peace

bonz







~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Nam myoho renge kyo!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[gunnaknow]

Hi Northern, I really like how simple your setup is. What are you averaging in terms of gpw of lighting and how much veg and flowering time per crop? I think that you are getting around 1 gpw, which sounds excellent considering that you're not using hydro and you're using MH. Why do you use MH, to stop stretch because of it being a vert garden? Do you think that you would increase yield if you used HPS? MH yields considerably less than HPS in flat gardens, is it different for vert gardens? Thanks.

Gunna

 

[Guest]

I may have answered or explained the MH reasons somewhere in this thread. It's so long now....

We switched over years ago for several reasons. Cost of set up, temperature problems before we had the system all dialed in. We discovered while using them that our strains stayed a lighter green which was very important on the market. We saw no difference in yield.

I'm going to run 1 room MH and 1 room HPS this time round as soon as I trigger to flower. On this set up all my ballasts are HPS even tho I'm using MH bulbs. Haha, I'm sure this will spring questions too.

We don't average 1 gpw. That's the ceiling with the strains we have been using. It seems once a year we hit that tho. With Hash Plant look to get between 12 to 13 lbs of quality bud. 14 is not uncommon but 15 to 15.5 is something you need to have everything dialed in for. Perfect clones, temps, humidity, new bulbs, no bugs, perfect amount of leaf removed (not too little not too much), trigger them into bud at just the right size, feeding in the right zone at all stages etc....

These averages are only based on the HP. I have just planted the first gro with 100% Purple Kush. This is a lower producer typically. It pays 40% (more now I'm hearing) more than the HP so I can bump off a 10 lb crop and still get payed more than a 13-14 lb HP crop which we consider decent. The PK is also very hardy and easier to grow imo.

The veg time etc all depends on your strains and the condition of the clones that you start with.

If you use very healthy clones that have grown in the trays you can go a week. If they have just rooted then you are looking at 10 days. If you have some stragglers and you need to let them hit the minimal size then about 12 days. We have found that 2 weeks with HP and you are losing weight and quality from over crowding and stretch. You also end up with tops getting toasted from the bulb and also humidity problems.

It all comes down to your strain. I know the PK has to veg longer for example. I am going to start vegging outside my rooms now. That's an extra crop a year.

 

[Neptune]

I was inspired, so I setup this little experiment. not quite the same, but hell...

9days bloomin

 

[pumpkin2006]

I was inspired, so I setup this little experiment. not quite the same, but hell...

9days bloomin

Neptune, that a 600w? So wheres the journal with a link in your sig??? Something that says "vertical lighting semi trees or something like that".

 

[pumpkin2006]

Nothern, I don't believe that you would see a need for this, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I see no actual difference in running this systems lighting vertically or horizontally; so if we ran a system like this, we could use cool tubes quite easily. Like I said, due to your temps up there in the north, you probably wouldn't see a need for it, but others in the states, that have more heat issues, could probably apply cool tubes.

Also, is there anyway to adapt this system to lower the plant count? The 200+ plants makes the system waay outta my reach... but I love it so much....

 

[Guest]

I'll be using 600HPS cool tubes with my setup pumpkin. I don't want any plants touching the bulbs. Don't want to even think about maybe a fire in the room. I'll make sure to post my setup once it's going. Thinking about Dec for me.
Love the thread
BG

 

[Guest]

Nothern, I don't believe that you would see a need for this, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

I see no actual difference in running this systems lighting vertically or horizontally; so if we ran a system like this, we could use cool tubes quite easily. Like I said, due to your temps up there in the north, you probably wouldn't see a need for it, but others in the states, that have more heat issues, could probably apply cool tubes.

Also, is there anyway to adapt this system to lower the plant count? The 200+ plants makes the system waay outta my reach... but I love it so much....

Well I'm not going to say it won't work but I do see the light dispersing better vertical for plants that are off to the sides rather that under the bulbs. On the other hand having the cooltubes do their magic may after all make up for the heat that is sometimes an issue during hot spells so I'm very interested to see how this will work.

If you wanted to go less plants you could try my old system and veg longer. You get bigger crops but lose a crop a year. Use 3 shelves, plant in 2 gal pots and veg for 3 -4 weeks depending on strain.

Clones are definitely one of the obstacles most people will have. I'm a cloning machine so it don't matter.

 

[ChristianTaylor]

Well I'm not going to say it won't work but I do see the light dispersing better vertical for plants that are off to the sides rather that under the bulbs. On the other hand having the cool tubes do their magic may after all make up for the heat that is sometimes an issue during hot spells so I'm very interested to see how this will work.

Like you said NF, when your growing that far north cool tubes are not all that necessary. But for those in warmer climates, they make cool tubes that hang vertically. They are usually used in coliseum and cage systems with a light ladder. I'm sure that with a little investment and time you would be able to diy. Heres some links to what I'm talking about:

http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?ic=HLRECT1&eq=&Tp=
http://www.hydroponicsfarming.com/product-434.html

Hope that helps.

NorthernFarmer- I sent you a pm with some questions I have concerning your system/thread. You told me in another thread that your pm box has been loading up lately so I'm going to ask them in the thread.

1. Sunshine Mix #4 and Pro Mix HP are both considered soilless media and contain no nutritional value for the plants correct? Would you consider this to be an easy medium to grow in?

2. what are the approximate measurement differences in the 3 tier method? Approximately how long do you veg in one of these rooms and how many plants do you usually squeeze in one room?

3. You stated earlier in the thread that vertical and wheel systems are more efficient than the stadium. Have you ever known anyone to build a diy vertical system that still embodies the simplicity of stadium growing?

4. Earlier in the thread you were talking about some friends of yours who tried the aeroponic stadium setups but eventually went back to your system because of problems with the misters clogging. I always hear of misters failing in aeroponic systems, is this because of cheap misters, lack of cleaning, or just something that is inevitable?

Thanks a lot Northern Farmer, your thread is really interesting. I especially enjoy the overall simplicity of the system.

BTW, Thanks for explaining relays and flip flops to me.

-CT

 

[pumpkin2006]

Well I'm not going to say it won't work but I do see the light dispersing better vertical for plants that are off to the sides rather that under the bulbs. On the other hand having the cooltubes do their magic may after all make up for the heat that is sometimes an issue during hot spells so I'm very interested to see how this will work.

I'm not saying that you would even move the lights from the area they are at now. The reality is that the light would thrown very similarly.

If you wanted to go less plants you could try my old system and veg longer. You get bigger crops but lose a crop a year. Use 3 shelves, plant in 2 gal pots and veg for 3 -4 weeks depending on strain.

I have a separate vegging area, so I wouldn't lose a crop. How many watts and how many plants did you run in this system; also what were the yields with this system. I appreciate the information.

Clones are definitely one of the obstacles most people will have. I'm a cloning machine so it don't matter.

Hehe, I wont even give you the number of how many clones I've taken in the last 48 hours. I want to be in legal limits... after this experience.

 

[Guest]

Like you said NF, when your growing that far north cool tubes are not all that necessary. But for those in warmer climates, they make cool tubes that hang vertically. They are usually used in coliseum and cage systems with a light ladder. I'm sure that with a little investment and time you would be able to diy. Heres some links to what I'm talking about:

http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?ic=HLRECT1&eq=&Tp=
http://www.hydroponicsfarming.com/product-434.html

Hope that helps.

NorthernFarmer- I sent you a pm with some questions I have concerning your system/thread. You told me in another thread that your pm box has been loading up lately so I'm going to ask them in the thread.

1. Sunshine Mix #4 and Pro Mix HP are both considered soilless media and contain no nutritional value for the plants correct? Would you consider this to be an easy medium to grow in?

2. what are the approximate measurement differences in the 3 tier method? Approximately how long do you veg in one of these rooms and how many plants do you usually squeeze in one room?

3. You stated earlier in the thread that vertical and wheel systems are more efficient than the stadium. Have you ever known anyone to build a diy vertical system that still embodies the simplicity of stadium growing?

4. Earlier in the thread you were talking about some friends of yours who tried the aeroponic stadium setups but eventually went back to your system because of problems with the misters clogging. I always hear of misters failing in aeroponic systems, is this because of cheap misters, lack of cleaning, or just something that is inevitable?

Thanks a lot Northern Farmer, your thread is really interesting. I especially enjoy the overall simplicity of the system.

BTW, Thanks for explaining relays and flip flops to me.

-CT

The first cool tube link , at least the one in their pic will not do. It has a reflector coating on one side. It has to be unblocked all the way around.

Link 2, I couldn't imagine having all that junk in those tight quarters. 10 shelves in a 6.5',wide 6.5' high only a 20" walk way with other equip gets tight enough once the plants fill in and get top heavy. If it has to be done in hot climes then I'll wait eagerly to see how it works. Good luck with that.

Did I miss those questions in the PM? My bad.

1) I find them adequate for what I'm doing. I buy a lot of it so it keeps overhead down. Those two are the most commonly used here in BC.

2)I was doing 7' wide, 7' high, 10'lng for a 4 bulb or 12' for a 5 bulb. I cannot remember the rise of the shelves. just enough for the top shelf plants to not touch. It all depends on your strain for veg. I used a couple of strains and they all seemed to do well with 3 weeks occasionally closer to 4. it all depended on how fast they grew. These systems are not sativa friendly that's for sure.

3) DIY vertical?

4) I don't know much about the aeroponic system they used. The problem with the misters was wide spread. That's all I can say. I don't know if you could switch brands for an improvement or not?

 

[pumpkin2006]

2)I was doing 7' wide, 7' high, 10'lng for a 4 bulb or 12' for a 5 bulb. I cannot remember the rise of the shelves. just enough for the top shelf plants to not touch. It all depends on your strain for veg. I used a couple of strains and they all seemed to do well with 3 weeks occasionally closer to 4. it all depended on how fast they grew. These systems are not sativa friendly that's for sure.

So what was the plant count? 3 tiers at about 7-10 per tier on both sides... then another 3 tiers of 7-10; so on a conservative side were talking 63, which is doable with my legalities. Would this work?

Also what was the yield on that? I'd be using Lavender, Purp Urk or Super skunk, possibly Blueberry (all whats in stock w/ the mom's), these are all Indica Dom strains (also have WW, but would require a bit of training).