HP Stadium

[mr cheese]

Here's those Allen-Bradley's...






Allen-Bradley relay switch [/COLOR]

nice one for the info HF....i see theirs 2 wires coming from either side of the relay, what do these connect to? i.e where does the power cord go and the lighting wires? sorry to be a pain but im a bit baffled here. say im looking at 4 ballasts now theirs 4 wires for power and 4 for each light right, so wheir would you wire the ballasts into? do they have to be connected to a connector block then one set of power cables go to the relay? then the same with the bulbs? connect all the lighting cables into 2 connecter blocks one for each set of lights which is then connected to each side of the relay? if theirs any chance you could draw a quick diagram of the set-up id appreciate it, this is exactly what iv been needing., ballasts work so much better when their warmed up, how long have yours lasted being run 24/7? all the best...cheers....mrc

edit to add....their not looking to bad at all HF concidering the hermies, still gona get fair bit of bud out of it, hey least you know what seeds you do get they will more than likely be female seeds ay!

 

[sugabear_II]

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Sugarbear,



I don't know about 5' wide and 1000w. That is too narrow IMO. I know you couldn't do 5 shelves with those dimensions anyways because the rise would be too steep and tops would block bottoms = fluff.

He could try less shelves, 3 or 4 and 600w maybe. Otherwise I see it getting too hot unless he can install air conditioning or cool tubes etc...

Humidity would be an issue unless he had a very good exchange.

.....

Thank you Norther Farmer that is what I suspected of his space. Maybe he can move a wall and make it 5' x 6.5'...

anyways I really do thank you for your sharing and answering everyone's questions.

-suga

 

[mysticls]

Wow...stuff is expensive there. I pay about $100 per but always have the hardware laying around to add (wire, mogul, plug...)

Well thats for digital Ballast.. A Digital Lumatek 1000w is 340$ plus bulb etc

 

[Guest]

nice one for the info HF....i see theirs 2 wires coming from either side of the relay, what do these connect to? i.e where does the power cord go and the lighting wires? sorry to be a pain but im a bit baffled here. say im looking at 4 ballasts now theirs 4 wires for power and 4 for each light right, so wheir would you wire the ballasts into? do they have to be connected to a connector block then one set of power cables go to the relay? then the same with the bulbs? connect all the lighting cables into 2 connecter blocks one for each set of lights which is then connected to each side of the relay? if theirs any chance you could draw a quick diagram of the set-up id appreciate it, this is exactly what iv been needing., ballasts work so much better when their warmed up, how long have yours lasted being run 24/7? all the best...cheers....mrc

edit to add....their not looking to bad at all HF concidering the hermies, still gona get fair bit of bud out of it, hey least you know what seeds you do get they will more than likely be female seeds ay!

Might be hard to explain it all.

The wires you see I just cut instead of removing the screws. Those go to your timer. You can piggy back as many relays as you want to the timer.

Basically you have 2 screws for your lamp wire off the ballast. Then you have 2 sets of 2 screws that are the split. You connect each lamp's wire from each room to these. When the timer flips the relays switch to the other lamp.

There are 2 screws for your timer and you piggy back your timer wires to the switches. It is a separate power source for the timer.

I don't have photo shop or I would do up a crude schematic for you.

The hermies seemed to have stopped and the seeds are minimal. I was in panic mode when my friend had his room near ruined and came down a couple of weeks early. I saw this happening to me but it is on a far less scale and I will do alright. My well water is catching up to me though(the culprit I think). Despite feeding light they are starting to burn. A water softener is being installed in a couple of weeks and I have a couple of R/O's from a previous show. I will feed the next one all they can take. Hope to have a way bigger crop but I doubt the numbers will be impressive because it will be all Purple Kush which doesn't yield very well. Good $$$$$ makes up for it.

 

[mysticls]

thanks for the info

also if your water is your problem than you can goto your grocery store and buy distilled water for like .50$ a gallon

 

[Guest]

thanks for the info

also if your water is your problem than you can goto your grocery store and buy distilled water for like .50$ a gallon

27 gallons a day....they might be wondering why I'm so dehydrated....

Each room drinks about or up to 1x120 L garbage can every 2 days and there are 2 rooms.

I have the Water softener on order and 2 R/O units I've had sitting around for years not in use. Problem taken care of.

Only problem is I will be running out of excuses for fucking up....

 

[mysticls]

I'm sure theres quite a few grocery stores around so hit them all up =)

thank god I'm already setup with a brand new water soften/tank/etc with 500 lbs of salt on hand... and a brand new r/o

Also if your R/O has been sitting around you should replace the membrane and filters. The filters should be replaced every 6 months and your membrane should only be good for about a year

I only recommended buying water until your Water Soften and RO got installed.

 

[Guest]

Truth is I lived in the wilderness for the last 6 years. I go to town for supplies but not too often.

I do travel a lot but figured I'd tough it out til this was done. Everything is OK all things considered.

I will make sure those R/O's are changed up. I get whole sale prices on all things related to filters from a friend in the biz. I get 55 lb bags of activated carbon for $50 Can. Smoking deal....

 

[Guest]

Tape into a creek or stream out there and pump to a holding tank and R/O the water. I'm guessing your doing that now or pulling it out of a shallow well. Killer thread, can't wait to see more.
Take care,
BG

 

[mysticls]

Just for reference.. ive had my RO running over a year at my house and i did a test.. my EC was 560 and the water coming out of my tap was 610.. so only a difference of 50. I changed my filters and my mebrane and now I am down to 10-15.. definately change the filters every 6 months and new membrane once a year otherwise your waisting your time

Ditto to what golddust said..Killer thread and cant wait to see more

 

[TrustNoOne]

Only problem is I will be running out of excuses for fucking up....


"then i got high".......the international excuse for all fuckups. heheh
kickass thread

 

[mr cheese]

Might be hard to explain it all.

The wires you see I just cut instead of removing the screws. Those go to your timer. You can piggy back as many relays as you want to the timer.

Basically you have 2 screws for your lamp wire off the ballast. Then you have 2 sets of 2 screws that are the split. You connect each lamp's wire from each room to these. When the timer flips the relays switch to the other lamp.

There are 2 screws for your timer and you piggy back your timer wires to the switches. It is a separate power source for the timer.

I don't have photo shop or I would do up a crude schematic for you.

The hermies seemed to have stopped and the seeds are minimal. I was in panic mode when my friend had his room near ruined and came down a couple of weeks early. I saw this happening to me but it is on a far less scale and I will do alright. My well water is catching up to me though(the culprit I think). Despite feeding light they are starting to burn. A water softener is being installed in a couple of weeks and I have a couple of R/O's from a previous show. I will feed the next one all they can take. Hope to have a way bigger crop but I doubt the numbers will be impressive because it will be all Purple Kush which doesn't yield very well. Good $$$$$ makes up for it.

oh i think im getting it now! (hopfuly)lol so you need 1 relay for each light/ballast is that right? that would make more sense, more money but more sense,lol.
i was wondering how alll the lights wired upto 1 relay.

so basicaly i wire a timer from a power socket into the relay set on 12/12, then wire up the set of wires from the ballasts bulb socket into the relay then the bulb gets wired off the relay? or do i need a seperate wireing board to wire everything up?

tell ya what to save you all the Questions,lol have you got a link to where u found out about this? or u leccy savy anyways?.....thanks for all the help mate...ill get their eventuley,lol..mrc

 

[Guest]

There's no link for where I found this idea. It was a tip years ago....

About 11 years ago I talked to a friend who was a commercial grower. He said he was trying the relays out. I struggled to understand like you. His locations were off limits understandably. He made it work and swore up and down. He picked these up from an electrical supplier he was in with. He knew people who would wheel tables and do a room switch to accomplish the same trick years ago he said. He knew a thing or 2 about electronic equip and thought about switches instead.

Later an opportunity came for me to design a big show for somebody. They wanted to try this stadium out with 5 instead of 3 shelves( we used 3 shelves up til then) and no veg. Just out of the tray and into flower. I tossed out the idea of splitting the ballasts and having 2 rooms. They bit and the rest is history.

I used my usual shop to order these in. I was the first one to do so. They now sell literally thousands a year now. He gives me credit for being the pioneer but it's not so. I'm just the first one he knows who tried it.

oh i think im getting it now! (hopfuly)lol so you need 1 relay for each light/ballast is that right? that would make more sense, more money but more sense,lol.

1 ballast-1 relay-2 bulbs

4 ballasts would be 4 relays and 8 bulbs. Each ballast is split to 2 bulbs which are on 12 hours each.

You use 1 timer to coordinate all the relays to switch at once.

I will take another picture of a piece of equipment that is used as a switch box and explain later. I have a few updates I'm suppose to do on this thread. I'm behind...

 

[mysticls]

I have a few updates I'm suppose to do on this thread. I'm behind...

ditto

 

[ChristianTaylor]

Hey NF, Great setup you got going on here.

Have you or anyone you know setup an irrigation system for the plants before. For that matter, have you ever seen a hydroponic stadium?

I'm lovin' this thread, Later.

-CT

 

[Guest]

Hey NF, Great setup you got going on here.

Have you or anyone you know setup an irrigation system for the plants before. For that matter, have you ever seen a hydroponic stadium?

I'm lovin' this thread, Later.

-CT

You can buy pre-made both hydro and aeroponic stadium set ups.

I know 2 people who bought the aeroponic stadiums, one of them bought two. They did OK but the complications were not worth it and they dropped them. The one guy is using my system again.

 

[pumpkin2006]

Something I've always wondered about your setup: Don't the plants on the furthest, back selves get the least amount of light? How does that effect the yield of those plants? Or am I wrong and all the plants get fairly even amounts of light (distance)?

Either way, props, well done system that has proven itself quite useful for yourself.

 

[seaofvert]

northern farmer .
congrats great looking system.

i m about to create a aero stadium could you then give me the link of these shop making those (just to find out what they look like )
and could you also tell me what issues your friends had whilst having this kind of system .

since the water isn t drain out of your bags you never encoutered roots problems.
finally why don t you try to connect the bulbs to something like a rail to make them unable to move?
this would probably allow you to use fans more efficiently.

Anyway this is a real good system . i just finished to build a dwc system and i have to try yours at the same time to see what s the best .

thanks for your ideas

PS english not being my language i didn t really get the relay stuff . i ll have to work out some more about it somehow it seems to be a good thing

 

[mr cheese]

There's no link for where I found this idea. It was a tip years ago....

About 11 years ago I talked to a friend who was a commercial grower. He said he was trying the relays out. I struggled to understand like you. His locations were off limits understandably. He made it work and swore up and down. He picked these up from an electrical supplier he was in with. He knew people who would wheel tables and do a room switch to accomplish the same trick years ago he said. He knew a thing or 2 about electronic equip and thought about switches instead.

Later an opportunity came for me to design a big show for somebody. They wanted to try this stadium out with 5 instead of 3 shelves( we used 3 shelves up til then) and no veg. Just out of the tray and into flower. I tossed out the idea of splitting the ballasts and having 2 rooms. They bit and the rest is history.

I used my usual shop to order these in. I was the first one to do so. They now sell literally thousands a year now. He gives me credit for being the pioneer but it's not so. I'm just the first one he knows who tried it.



1 ballast-1 relay-2 bulbs

4 ballasts would be 4 relays and 8 bulbs. Each ballast is split to 2 bulbs which are on 12 hours each.

You use 1 timer to coordinate all the relays to switch at once.

I will take another picture of a piece of equipment that is used as a switch box and explain later. I have a few updates I'm suppose to do on this thread. I'm behind...

nice one HF...been doing a fair bit of reading about them, seen couple of threads where peeps are using em and some pics, think ill be ok once i actualy have the relay infront of me....still apprecitae any pics u can get....all the best....mrc

 

[Guest]

SOV,

There are many models like this here. Use Google (aeroponics systems), that's how I found it.

Aeroponic tier/stadium

The main problem they had was misters clogging and failing. This was a well documented problem and widespread. You look in your room and there are a few dead plants. Misters clogging kept killing plants.

I don't know what you mean about water not draining out of the bags? They are like pots, with holes and besides you only water what the plants need for 2 days. If water ran out i would be considered over watering. My soil stays in excellent condition.

finally why don t you try to connect the bulbs to something like a rail to make them unable to move?

I don't understand?

Pumpkin,

Yes, plants in the corners are weaker. This system isn't perfect but at the end of the cycle you get excellent weight.

You can also move plants around but by the time you are half way done the stragglers end up in the weak spots so your best plants can pack on the weight. It becomes survival of the fittest in this system.