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HONEY OIL !DENATURED STYLE

Gray Wolf

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alcohol extraction is not about taste its about potency. dry sift and bubble is where the taste is at. i mself prefer to smoke not chemical extracts.
stay high and safe!


We are in partial agreement. I personally think that it is more about perspective and tastes, but potency per unit volume is certainly one reason I pursue extractions.

I mention perspective and varying tastes, because 100% of the people that I extract for are patients looking for symptom relief, and some have such high tolerance that they no longer experience a euphoric high, regardless of method of ingestion.

Some of our aging lungs also no longer accept smoke or vapor without protest, and using that mode can be a body wracking experience, especially if we happen to also have a cold.

Taking my meds sublingually actually works best for my pain from degenerative arthritis, as it does for others that I extract for. Orally works next best, but takes longer and depending on how it is prepared, can upset some stomachs.

Would it surprise you to know that the taste of the oil both orally and smoked or vaporized, is one of the things we test for and that our test panel members can all tell the differences in taste and effect when vaporized or smoked?

Though most goes into meds, I also smoke some of my bubble and dry sieve, and delight in both of their good qualities, which are also different and vary between strains because of the nuances provided by the highly provocative turpenoids.

If I had iron lungs and were to pick only for my own smoking pleasure, my simple boetian tastes actually prefer good bud, followed by dry sieve, which to me maintains more of the strains flavor nuances.

Bubble is very tasty, effective, and different. The most head effect that I’ve had, is from vaporizing oil, and I would describe the taste of properly prepared vaporized oil as, uh, well, hashy, for lack of a better term.

Just another perspective, because my point is really that none is bad, as near as I have been able to divine personally or by testing with others and both tastes and perspectives vary considerably.

GW
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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We are in partial agreement. I personally think that it is more about perspective and tastes, but potency per unit volume is certainly one reason I pursue extractions.

I mention perspective and varying tastes, because 100% of the people that I extract for are patients looking for symptom relief, and some have such high tolerance that they no longer experience a euphoric high, regardless of method of ingestion.

Some of our aging lungs also no longer accept smoke or vapor without protest, and using that mode can be a body wracking experience, especially if we happen to also have a cold.

Taking my meds sublingually actually works best for my pain from degenerative arthritis, as it does for others that I extract for. Orally works next best, but takes longer and depending on how it is prepared, can upset some stomachs.

Would it surprise you to know that the taste of the oil both orally and smoked or vaporized, is one of the things we test for and that our test panel members can all tell the differences in taste and effect when vaporized or smoked?

Though most goes into meds, I also smoke some of my bubble and dry sieve, and delight in both of their good qualities, which are also different and vary between strains because of the nuances provided by the highly provocative turpenoids.

If I had iron lungs and were to pick only for my own smoking pleasure, my simple boetian tastes actually prefer good bud, followed by dry sieve, which to me maintains more of the strains flavor nuances.

Bubble is very tasty, effective, and different. The most head effect that I’ve had, is from vaporizing oil, and I would describe the taste of properly prepared vaporized oil as, uh, well, hashy, for lack of a better term.

Just another perspective, because my point is really that none is bad, as near as I have been able to divine personally or by testing with others and both tastes and perspectives vary considerably.

GW

so u mean the alcohol extract is taken sublingualy? isnt that a tincature??
these places sell a hash alcohol extract that most people smoke... im not sure about how healthy it is.... still reeks of alcohol and all..
 
I have had about enough of this misinformation its making me sick. Denatured alcohol does not effect the delta formation and does not leave a residue Denatured alcohol is the same alcohol in beer with other chemicals added that evaporate at the same boiling point or lower so that the ethyl alcohol cannot be distilled out. heat will degrade the thc and a solvent is something that extracts chemicals. To make the higher rotating form of thc you can start with denatured alcohol but then you must add sulfuric acid reflux this solution and then separate the constituents with petroleum ether and then the sulferic acid has to be completely removed with bicarbonate of soda not only does this turn the thc into its higher rotating forms it also converts a percentage of the Cannabidol to thc. ethanol is better that chloroform because chloroform degrades thc at a fast level especially in sunlight but even in complete darkness. This information came from a book called Cannabis Alchemy by D.Gold I suggest you DO YOUR RESEARCH before you start bashing people who are skeptical of your extremely false claims. No doubt you are making some fine oil no beef there but you don't posses something special or new. Alcohol extraction of cannabis has been going on for thousands of years across diverse cultures for medicine and you are definitely not making a higher rotating form. I suggest you look up thc isomerization and thc acetate you will find there are a few 20 or 30 more step to accomplish this and some of them require lab equipment like spark less hotplates
 

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OldTimeGrower said:
Denatured alcohol is the same alcohol in beer with other chemicals added that evaporate at the same boiling point or lower so that the ethyl alcohol cannot be distilled out.
Are you sure that this is true for all denaturation agents? It's my understanding that most, if not all, brands of denaturated alcohol have a number of chemicals added.

I have certainly heard reports of "horrible taste" in denaturated alcohol extracts (although a too long wash could be the reason as well of course).

Also are you sure that there aren't differences on this between jurisdictions? For example I just took a peek at the Wikipedia page for denaturated alcohol and they make a statement saying that blue dye must be added, which certainly is not true where I live and the Wikipedia page even shows a bottle of clear liquid next to this claim...
 

Gray Wolf

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so u mean the alcohol extract is taken sublingualy? isnt that a tincature??
these places sell a hash alcohol extract that most people smoke... im not sure about how healthy it is.... still reeks of alcohol and all..

Nope. My sublingual meds don't contain alcohol.

GW
 

Texicannibus

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Tried this the other day with some trim ive had sitting around interesting stuff definately potent and It doesnt taste bad imo. Im still a bit concerned about the possible chemicals but I did a quick test and it looked clean. Wanted something special for 420 and Id say it did the trick definately not recommending it but I prefer to live life with some risks to each there own
 

Lazyman

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If you dry your extract carefully (oven is my favorite at 200*F until it stops bubbling) it won't have ANY residual alcohol or alcohol flavors to it. If you use denatured the ethanol evaporates last, and it will smell like booze if it's not dry.

To see if your solvent has any impurities, evaporate a splash on a mirror or piece of glass. If there's nothing left (try a razor) then there is nothing left!
 

rafe

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Grain alcohol

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I use grain alcohol or Everclear from the Liquor store. It's natural and you can use the booze later I.m sure someone will always want to drink it. It works just fine.
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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If you dry your extract carefully (oven is my favorite at 200*F until it stops bubbling) it won't have ANY residual alcohol or alcohol flavors to it. If you use denatured the ethanol evaporates last, and it will smell like booze if it's not dry.

To see if your solvent has any impurities, evaporate a splash on a mirror or piece of glass. If there's nothing left (try a razor) then there is nothing left!

i dont understand what your saying.

where are you getting your %100 alcohol??

even 99% leaves 1% in the oil when boiled away....

all ive ever seen is 91%....

"de-naturated" is just that "un-natural" and if natural implies %100 then its got additives...

again this shit doesnt boil away or evaporate. all solvents leave white powder or residue on a piece of glass/mirror.

ive tried alot of them (evap test) and all left powder, "denaturated" alcohol (first pic of first post) leaves alot of goo behind.
iso leaves precipitation.

so. where are you getting your %100?

how exactly is your denaurated/iso or whatever pure? expecialy when the FDA makes them add stuff so it cant be drank, and doesnt evaporate.
 
Are you sure that this is true for all denaturation agents? It's my understanding that most, if not all, brands of denaturated alcohol have a number of chemicals added.

I have certainly heard reports of "horrible taste" in denaturated alcohol extracts (although a too long wash could be the reason as well of course).

Also are you sure that there aren't differences on this between jurisdictions? For example I just took a peek at the Wikipedia page for denaturated alcohol and they make a statement saying that blue dye must be added, which certainly is not true where I live and the Wikipedia page even shows a bottle of clear liquid next to this claim...

im sure its possible that some denatured alcohol can leave residues in it but that is why people should educate yourself. look up the boiling point of ALL chemicals in the denatured alcohol and as long as it is below 214 degrees which is when the active chemicals of cannabis evaporate at it is fine (altho it is recomended much lower; pure ethyl alcohol boiling point is 78.5 degrees Celsius)
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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I use grain alcohol or Everclear from the Liquor store. It's natural and you can use the booze later I.m sure someone will always want to drink it. It works just fine.

151 proof(atleast in cali) is only 75.5% pure alcohol.
so your leaving behind 24.5% of whatever was in your everclear, for you to now smoke!

this thread is a health disaster!!!
cant even believe you people.
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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im sure its possible that some denatured alcohol can leave residues in it but that is why people should educate yourself. look up the boiling point of ALL chemicals in the denatured alcohol and as long as it is below 214 degrees which is when the active chemicals of cannabis evaporate at it is fine (altho it is recomended much lower; pure ethyl alcohol boiling point is 78.5 degrees Celsius)

finding these pure ingrediants is much more difficult then most people are capable of.
 

Lazyman

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i dont understand what your saying.

where are you getting your %100 alcohol??

even 99% leaves 1% in the oil when boiled away....

all ive ever seen is 91%....

"de-naturated" is just that "un-natural" and if natural implies %100 then its got additives...

again this shit doesnt boil away or evaporate. all solvents leave white powder or residue on a piece of glass/mirror.

ive tried alot of them (evap test) and all left powder, "denaturated" alcohol (first pic of first post) leaves alot of goo behind.
iso leaves precipitation.

so. where are you getting your %100?

how exactly is your denaurated/iso or whatever pure? expecialy when the FDA makes them add stuff so it cant be drank, and doesnt evaporate.

SLX Denatured alcohol at Home Depot is 95% Methanol, 5% Ethanol. No residue I promise, will even take pics if you want me to prove it. Methanol is extremely poisonous, so no it cannot be "drank." Neither can acetone, butane,hexane, or liquid CO2.

Also, 99% Isopropyl alcohol is 99% Isopropyl, 1% distilled water. No preservatives or contaminants, and I get it at Safeway. 91% is 9% distilled H20, etc etc on down to 50/50. Still just water and alcohol, and water evaporates before thc.

Isopropyl is also poisonous and will cause GI issues quickly. It says do not drink on the label because it's bad for you, just like you're not supposed to drink Windex.

Nothing sinister in these chemicals man, and I guarantee you I'm not stupid enough to put dangerous things in my body. ;)
 

Lazyman

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151 proof(atleast in cali) is only 75.5% pure alcohol.
so your leaving behind 24.5% of whatever was in your everclear, for you to now smoke!

this thread is a health disaster!!!
cant even believe you people.

Every bottle of vodka, rum, and every other distillate starts as 100% alcohol, then is cut with plain water (and often sugar, coloring, flavoring, tannins from oak casks, etc) and then bottled. Vodka, Everclear, and moonshine are just grain alcohol (ethanol) mixed with spring or RO water. Nothing sneaky in those, alcohol itself is a preservative so there's no need to hide chemicals someone would taste.

If you're downright convinced someone is trying to poison you, you can make your own alcohol, distilled from cheap vodka or fruit juice in your garage using a small home distillery. Quite a hobby on its own!
 

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Methanol is extremely poisonous, so no it cannot be "drank." Neither can acetone, butane,hexane, or liquid CO2.

Isopropyl is also poisonous and will cause GI issues quickly. It says do not drink on the label because it's bad for you, just like you're not supposed to drink Windex.
And let's not forget that ethanol is also poisonous and should not be drank! Seriously...
 

Lazyman

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Well true, but it at least tastes decent.

When I bake off a couple gallons of SLX I can smell when the methanol is gone, and just the ethanol/hash remains. It smells like hash flavored whiskey in the oven, smells great for a few hours then it's all gone. Once the bubbling stops all the alcohol is gone and purged and it's ready to smoke, but at least with SLX, even if you screw up or don't wait long enough for the ethanol to vaporize it's just booze and won't kill you.
 
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Then you've had some poorly made alcohol hash. The amount of chlorophyll in your product depends on wash/contact time and the product you start with. Grinding is not necessary with any tek that submerges the material, this adds more chlorophyll. Use frozen trim, popcorn or buds and do not grind them up!

If you have too much chlorophyll you probably left it in too long. I can make it translucent amber to black depending on contact time. I've made bubble and dry sift for years and my iso hash tastes better and is much stronger than either.

ISO needs to be properly filtered and properly dried/cured for best flavor, but it would be easy for a rookie to fuck up either or both of these things.

I guess there is a place for alchi wash concentrate .

I have made it plenty of times ,wash quick , no shaking and filter through coffee filters .

Whatever :ying:
 

Lazyman

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IMHO as long as it's properly purged either good alcohol or good butane are just dandy. But alcohol is $16 a gallon at Home Depot, and butane is about 4X that and not as simple to find. Other than that the main difference seems to be yield, seems alcohol yields more than BHO.
 
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