Holy grail Mr Nice.

[willydread]

If I remember correctly, (I'm not sure which forum I read it) when Nevil was arrested some people / friends / collaborators took some things (plants or seeds?) Rimmeo comes to mind, but maybe it was someone else, Names not I remember them but I remember this fact ....

I also wonder how many friends have been given cuttings or seeds of lines or crosses, perhaps experimental ...
Also if someone grows plants for you it can happen that he takes cuttings from your plants, it has already happened in the past ....

 

[Dentex]

Man dont be funny...

I try but it's hard What part did you find funny?

Would you like to share how many ohaze plants you grew and from what source ?
A pic would be great too.Not THH.They are totally different lines,like distant relatives.

 

[JKD]

Tony from Sagarmatha, Adam from THSeeds, Simon from Serious Seeds, Nevil Schoenmaker & Ben Dronkers all worked together at one stage. None of them took a sneaky cutting home with them. They produced Jack Herer, Kali Mist, Western Winds, S.A.G.E, S.S.H etc. They’re not related in any way.
Nevil wanted to look for his Holy Grail within seeds he made himself, that’s why he didn’t use seeds Shanti made. Haze C is a cutting, genetically identical to Nevil’s. But he didn’t use it in his Holy Grail search.

Late ‘90’s yellow packet Mr Nice Nevils haze is still the best strain (personally) that I’ve grown and smoked.
I would like to find my keeper again.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Haze is breeding tool not something for smoke....thats my opinion and it cant be changed I growed,I smoked, I saw.

I dont say that O.haze is not good but its not for me. For various reasons...

Its normal that people who love and breed and produce seeds. Will tell you its the best etc...but as I said i growed,smoked and saw.

Then you are probably one of the OG Kush heads you were speaking about yesterday. Or better say a NL head, if you don't like smoking the purest expressions of Haze, when you find a good one.

Also I don't think Dentex does breed or produce any pure Haze seeds. But some great looking Haze hybrids. And if you mean me, I have no real preference between pure Haze and Haze hybrids, thats you who have.

 

[CannaT]

I try but it's hard What part did you find funny?

Would you like to share how many ohaze plants you grew and from what source ?
A pic would be great too.Not THH.They are totally different lines,like distant relatives.

I dont care about any pure O. haze line....yes they are all different like OG cuttings.


Even Sam who bring it say that if you cross haze x xy it will be better than haze or xy...

Dont pull my tail man...even JC...who smoke breed,and love OHaze....say that best plant is panama x oh so thats mean something...

I will compete my Jack pheno to any o haze you have...
Im shure its better than all you have.

 

[CannaT]

Then you are probably one of the OG Kush heads you were speaking about yesterday. Or better say a NL head, if you don't like smoking the purest expressions of Haze, when you find a good one.

Also I don't think Dentex does breed or produce any pure Haze seeds. But some great looking Haze hybrids. And if you mean me, I have no real preference between pure Haze and Haze hybrids, thats you who have.

I dont care also about your O haze also...my Jack will blow it out of water...
Im not intersted in any haze seeds anymore...
My Jack has it all...yild,high and taste...and all this in 84-93 days of flower.
Still today most awarded strain of cannabis is Jack herer not some O.haze...

 

[@hempy]

yes ,, u just mentioned one , shanti backs up his in 3 locations ,
obviously someone else cares for them in those locations ,
like when he was in jail that time etc ,

what about nevil , can you list all the places he left cuttings for folks to look after as a back up etc ?
must have been more than one , plus the places that purchased stock from him i guess ...

im sure they dont share their parental lines with an idea of others producing seeds for their own sales,
but as a back up etc ,, its obvious they do and have done ,
i know i shared the ecsd cutting i got with several people ,
if i hadnt , once i lost it , it would have been lost for us ...

not every person has ideas of making seeds for sale , some do , sure ,
but most folks just like to grow cannabis as a hobby,
and maybe a bit of hobby breeding ,
its an enjoyable past time ...

I never ask people about who baby sits there plants Donald or do i dig and ask friends about there company's inside information or daily agendas.

What ever i was told i was told it as a friend and as a friend things that is said between friends stay privet.

Let me ask you Wally did the clones that were meant to go to Nevil that never did that ended up in Ace seed and Karma hands go there for Free ?

 

[X15]

 

[Dentex]

I dont care about any pure O. haze line....yes they are all different like OG cuttings.


Even Sam who bring it say that if you cross haze x xy it will be better than haze or xy...

Dont pull my tail man...even JC...who smoke breed,and love OHaze....say that best plant is panama x oh so thats mean something...

I will compete my Jack pheno to any o haze you have...
Im shure its better than all you have.

Ignorance hasn't got anything to do with preference.So you don't care> haven't grown>JH is better.Just for credibility's sake.
Thanks for your answer.

 

[shiva82]

not "funny" haha. "funny" as in awkward and protective. it is all subjective. everyone is correct

 

[waveguide]

Seed makers are businessmen i dont know of any of them that share their parental line do you.

since commerce pays for the distribution of information, people who work outside of capital interests rarely see any representation or acknowledgement for it.

i hope i left ajo, AZ full of haze seeds in '09. i made free music software for twenty years as well, and while i have industry awards for "creative genius" i have zero representation from the commercial parties everyone flocks to for information because they hate my ass for taking their profits because i like capable educated people more than desperate ignorant suckers as a society to live in. i can list a dozen individuals in music tech with the same history.

my personal awareness of noncommercial seed distributors is limited but absolutely crucial to the quality i enjoy today.

think about your average weed smoker in the u.s.a. they're not even aware of original haze because all their information comes from commercial interests. as far as they are concerned, oh doesn't even exist. foxtails don't even exist.

i had to leave ajo in a hurry. nobody wanted my durban because someone had freaked out on it. they took all the haze i had, but i threw half a pound of durban in the dumpster because i couldn't take it on the plane.

to me, this suggests that other peoples opinions are arbitrary and happenstance because a society that only supports commercialisation is simply ignorant. you boy do get aroun some despite the endless sea of numpty.

 

[Dentex]

not "funny" haha. "funny" as in awkward and protective. it is all subjective. everyone is correct

Yes everyone is correct(not).And I like to protect people for misjudging opinions/nuances as reports.This JH might be better than Ohaze.Or worse.But I have to try it to know first, you follow?

I have both grown and tried seedsman/golli ohaze and also tried the herb from Sammy clones grown from Sammy.Also not good experience with THH but haven't grown it really good.So I will speak from my experience.We can sit and talk about subjective theories all day,or we can talk about our experiences.

 

[gypsyeyes]

And HzB must have been sour, woody with floral terpenes similar to Mahonia flowers.


While the difference between Nevils and Shantis gear, nobody can describe it better than they guys themself.

Shanti:
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Lame, out of context. Again, how many seeds did Nev personally go thru in his selection of SSH?

 

[CannaT]

@Dentex
Man I didnt say anything you just say no sense.

Haze is special herb...I like it very very much.
But Original Haze is extreme and I mean really extreme small yilder.

Why is my Jack better ?
For me cuz it smell 100% like haze...no ghani smell at all...just leathery,woody spice with bit of sweetnes.
Its high is 90% haze...
It yild 10× as much more compared to o.Haze.
In 13 weeks while haze need 16
And this 10% influence of nl bx2 make thing just perfect.

I growed seedsmans and tfd. O haze.
30 seeds in that time while I was searching through hazes and sativas.

They are very close to my Jack by smell and taste. But this 10% of nl/sk make things just better bit more potent,much more yild and 2 weeks earlier chop.

And all this to good human breeding.

I think that I found what I want when I want to smoke Haze...so that is why I at this time dont want to grow anything haze.

Thats all...

 

[X15]

So you don’t get any ghani in your JH ?
@CannaT

 

[Hammerhead]

It's why I prefer to use Haze for breeding. The plants found in these outcrosses have been better than the parental plants were. Keep in mind that we all have different opinions on what's best. It's a personal thing IMO. This doesn't mean haze won't produce a great pheno. As the titans of haze have said it's unlikely we would find one. For me, Haze is better used as breeding stock. From the haze hybrids I've made this backs up that opinion. I always have a few hazes in every run. A5hs1 and some NH x OH are in veg now.

As for clones used for breeding, I've shared every keeper I've found with many.. I know others that also do the same. I've never paid for a clone and I've never charged for a clone. The scene has def changed to profit driven which I hate. The comradery we use to enjoy is absent. It seems those that don't grow or can't are OK with the quality of Dispensary cannabis.

 

[CannaT]

So you don’t get any ghani in your JH ?
@CannaT

No its straight haze, old school haze.
No pungency at all if you walk in room you wouldnt notice weed grow there at all.
Some spicy sweet smell like new furniture or something like that indian shop.

Not a hint of ghani funk at all.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Lame, out of context. Again, how many seeds did Nev personally go thru in his selection of SSH?

Out of context? Who is saying to the MNS customers in this thread to grow larger populations and basically buy more seeds? How many seeds?

For the A5 clone that is getting kept since 3 decades, I believe Nevil did go thru 50 NLHazeA seeds. And that he did it even twice. While a Skunk and NL mish mash two generations removed from HzC, its normal itwill require more seeds to find great hazy plants compared to straight pure Haze outcrosses.
We can discuss the Haze breeding a little if you want. Per exemple, that HzC does not breed as true as HzA or the 11 weeker Original Haze BC clone could never have existed.

But I have better things to do.
And one argument from me, in favor of MNS is enough.

I would encourage analyzing your processes to determine what caused the deficiency and consider a larger population to give one a better view. It is another great strain seriously worth trying-- pictures don't lie.

 

[X15]

That’s interesting @CannaT .
I guess I need to widen my horizons in regards to Jack. Wasnt Afghan used in the JH parents?

 

[willydread]

The fact that what I didn't find in three packs of Nevil haze (I know, only three packs, but my bank account is stingy) I found in three suits taken from one with this face makes me spin even more the stomach...
Forget @JohnnyChicago , it's not worth it ....