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Holy grail Mr Nice.
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CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
If OGkush head goes thrugh million of haze seeds he will never find a keeper.
If Haze head grows 10 females he will probably find 1-2 keepers.
Thats the point.
There is a debate here about the same thing. Viewed from a different perspective.
Some hazed toughts
If Haze head grows 10 females he will probably find 1-2 keepers.
Thats the point.
There is a debate here about the same thing. Viewed from a different perspective.
Some hazed toughts
Most have their own version of what's best. The flav and high type is important. I prefer haze outcross as they produce better quality plants in everything I've made.. I think these A5hs1 will either back up that opinion or change it. Karma is good people. IMO he would never misrepresent any genetics he has. I've found nothing but great plants in his work.
Has anyone grown these from ACE... C5 Haze x Kali China Feminized.
ACE Seeds was recently gifted with this original extraordinary old C5 Haze Clone, bred and selected by Neville himself in the late 80’s and was preserved by Yo Sammy who was so kind to share it with us.
Has anyone grown these from ACE... C5 Haze x Kali China Feminized.
ACE Seeds was recently gifted with this original extraordinary old C5 Haze Clone, bred and selected by Neville himself in the late 80’s and was preserved by Yo Sammy who was so kind to share it with us.
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Have you checked the ace section? Probably a better response then the Mr nice holy grail thread.
I did and read the thread about them. There is other people's gear mentioned in this thread. Since it has C5 which is relevant I wanted to see if any in this thread had opinions about them. The more I get the better im informed
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
The cannabis community owes a great debt to those who've held onto these clones for years, sometimes decades, and then made them available.
Breeders dont share the clones they use to make set seed lines they protect their work.
Well, I didn't mention breeders specifically. I'm sure most do protect their work, but clearly some people do share clones.
Thanks to those that do share clones.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
They all protect their work mate.
People share with friends and they with there friends that is how you you keep clones or lines around for a very long time.
Then you have others who sell clones for large sums of money.
X15
Well-known member
Actually they do. The term Smoke has a positive implication that it is harmful if smoked, in any capacity. Whether your cigarette cherry is burning anything airborne or you choose to accidentally get it on your smoke by a lil dip stickerue. Or maybe load your corn cob pipe with it just to see what will happen. It’s all been done my friend. You might want to reconsider your interpretations to fall further On the safe side, bc these Mofuckas writing these legal labels DGAF about you . Lol Have you ever looked at one front to back?I can assure you MSDS do not list whether a chemical is “smokable” or not.
Just trying to correct misinformation at this point. Back to the Haze!!!
Maybe?
edit: residues (safe to say) qualify
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JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
How do you want know Haze outcrosses are better, when you have never sampled any mature OH flowers? Let alone flowers from a selected OH plant.
Also comparing a selfed NL dom pheno of NLHaze to pure Haze? What sense does that make? Not even comparable to an outcross, as A5s1 is 2 generations removed from pure Haze. And you should use at least the same number of seeds Nevil did use to select his clone, if you want compare it to his clones or to a good pure Original Haze plant.
Karma is indeed a great breeder and Haze connesseur. While it is often not valued high enough, how some clones from Nevil have survived the repression over the decades, when all the rest has been lost.
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how about when they go to jail etc ,
who looks after their stuff then??
who do they ask to hold onto their stock as a back up??
perhaps they dont share them around like common cuttings are shared ,
but its apparent they do share them and ask for help from others to maintain them ...
Dentex
Well-known member
Have you grown/tried Ohaze?Believe me it can convert someone easily .My friend who only grows Kushes (9 weeks max ready or not lol) was really impressed with 2 (unselected) ohaze plants in the early curing stage ...2/3 that is cause third one was a pearl pheno that didnt reach the potency of the other two,quality was there.
That's just because of the quality of said lines,not that much on personal taste.I understand your argument,but doesn't apply on the case of Ohaze which is a really special and (still it seems) underrated and undiscovered line by most sativa afficionados.Johnny was shouting
Johnny has hit the nail on the head.Try first,judge later.When I say Ohaze I don't mean the THH to be clear once again.Haze F1s are fantastic, I do find with my limited experience that the haze magic fades in next outcross.
I have grown C5 x Kali china and have tried C5 herb kindly gifted by Sammy.The terpenes pallette is really close.The specimen I had was not up to par with the mom in terms of high.But there are certainly good plants to be found there ,a friend had a really good one,needs more pheno hunt than ohaze tho lol.
I have also grown 2 seeds of A5s1 and was pretty disappointed.The big heavy buds trait is there,as there are many mutations/variegations/fasciations etc.Worst for me was the muted terps.I also have to say that it is really finicky to grow,I mean landrace level finicky ,or at least in my conditions .style of growing.Low potency too.
I had a lot better results with C5 x Malawi and A5 x Malawi....And with Ohaze .
Just to be a little on topic,I grew a Holy grail hybrid last year (Holy grail x Lieu Hanh) which was really incensey.Good high,not extraordinary,nice potency.I loved the plant though,came out really colourful!Some good plants to be found in there.This is more LH leaner I think.
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CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
Man dont be funny...I have friend who smoke only pungent acrid ghanis that gave me bubblegum...he grows only ogs,ghanis,hashplants....Have you grown/tried Ohaze?Believe me it can convert someone easily .My friend who only grows Kushes (9 weeks max ready or not lol) was really impressed with 2 (unselected) ohaze plants in the early curing stage ...2/3 that is cause third one was a pearl pheno that didnt reach the potency of the other two,quality was there.
That's just because of the quality of said lines,not that much on personal taste.I understand your argument,but doesn't apply on the case of Ohaze which is a really special and (still it seems) underrated and undiscovered line by most sativa afficionados.Johnny was shouting
Johnny has hit the nail on the head.Try first,judge later.When I say Ohaze I don't mean the THH to be clear once again.Haze F1s are fantastic, I do find with my limited experience that the haze magic fades in next outcross.
I have grown C5 x Kali china and have tried C5 herb kindly gifted by Sammy.The terpenes pallette is really close.The specimen I had was not up to par with the mom in terms of high.But there are certainly good plants to be found there ,a friend had a really good one,needs more pheno hunt than ohaze tho lol.
I have also grown 2 seeds of A5s1 and was pretty disappointed.The big heavy buds trait is there,as there are many mutations/variegations/fasciations etc.Worst for me was the muted terps.I also have to say that it is really finicky to grow,I mean landrace level finicky ,or at least in my conditions .style of growing.Low potency too.
I had a lot better results with C5 x Malawi and A5 x Malawi....And with Ohaze .
Just to be a little on topic,I grew a Holy grail hybrid last year (Holy grail x Lieu Hanh) which was really incensey.Good high,not extraordinary,nice potency.I loved the plant though,came out really colourful!Some good plants to be found in there.This is more LH leaner I think.
Not any haze is something special to him...they make him nervous,racy minds....
Most close what is good for him are Amnesias and SLH...but this is far from any real haze.
Or Haze dom hybrid.
Most people if they are not tired or lazy think they arent high.
I growed before O.Haze....but for me its just waste of time.
I prefere much more haze dom hybrids....
Like my recent Jack...
Better yild,strongest high,better terps...
Haze is breeding tool not something for smoke....thats my opinion and it cant be changed I growed,I smoked, I saw.
I dont say that O.haze is not good but its not for me. For various reasons...
Its normal that people who love and breed and produce seeds. Will tell you its the best etc...but as I said i growed,smoked and saw.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Take shanti he had his parent plants at 3 or more locations. He left Holland pre the laws changing and is and was Legal in Switzerland.
Many have lost parental plants why lines like Kali mist changed because they they staid in Holland were it became illegal to even produce seed.
Seed makers are businessmen i dont know of any of them that share their parental line do you.
yes ,, u just mentioned one , shanti backs up his in 3 locations ,
obviously someone else cares for them in those locations ,
like when he was in jail that time etc ,
what about nevil , can you list all the places he left cuttings for folks to look after as a back up etc ?
must have been more than one , plus the places that purchased stock from him i guess ...
im sure they dont share their parental lines with an idea of others producing seeds for their own sales,
but as a back up etc ,, its obvious they do and have done ,
i know i shared the ecsd cutting i got with several people ,
if i hadnt , once i lost it , it would have been lost for us ...
not every person has ideas of making seeds for sale , some do , sure ,
but most folks just like to grow cannabis as a hobby,
and maybe a bit of hobby breeding ,
its an enjoyable past time ...
obviously someone else cares for them in those locations ,
like when he was in jail that time etc ,
what about nevil , can you list all the places he left cuttings for folks to look after as a back up etc ?
must have been more than one , plus the places that purchased stock from him i guess ...
im sure they dont share their parental lines with an idea of others producing seeds for their own sales,
but as a back up etc ,, its obvious they do and have done ,
i know i shared the ecsd cutting i got with several people ,
if i hadnt , once i lost it , it would have been lost for us ...
not every person has ideas of making seeds for sale , some do , sure ,
but most folks just like to grow cannabis as a hobby,
and maybe a bit of hobby breeding ,
its an enjoyable past time ...
It's becoming quite the business in the states to sell "breeder cuts" . Nothing I find interesting to be honest but the cookies California hype scene will have people lined up/camping overnight like a Jordan shoe release to score overpriced clones. They probably cash in more on those drops then the seedlines themselves.
