Hermaphrodite

[Dalaihempy]

Tom

I think indoor growing of cannabis will be an archaic thing of the past one day, not because it won't be possible, but because it really is a ridiculous way to grow anything in my opinion. Folks are just forced to do it now. I believe it's a temporary thing.


Tom i think indoor growing will be the future of ag my self with the way the Globes climate changes are takeing affect and may be just what saves ow asses from famen.

Indoor growing has its advanages to like you control the inviroment and its sterille of pests weeds so on.

You can mimic any climate and seson you like.

I have read people say that out door cannabis is more potent well its talk not fact how do i know i put it to the test a long time ago out door flowers infact had less flavour to indoors of the same plant clones grown out same clones grown in of diffrent plants and the potency was the same no diffrence mate with them being grown out or indoors when it comes to potency and or affect.

Also indoors has an advantage to out doors growing wen it comes to breeding were a lot seam to talk about x polination from other lines from stray pollen like in urope were its sed to get a lot comeing across from moroco now if indoors in a controled inviroment you wont get that never sean it here tho.

Indoor growing sativa plants do act diffrent to out door grow sativas in that out doors they mature ( fill out top and then bottom ) were indoor grown sativas tend to mature from botton up and hate a lot of intece lite wich is easy to solve by placeing the sativas aginst the wall and tie train them away from the lam/ bolb of the hps lite.

 

[Tom Hill]

Jeez,

You guys don't let a guy divorce a thought easily, even when he's standing in line at the divorce counter. OK, I'll bite since I'm the one who opened the can of worms.
Foreseeing the future requires a heapload more speculation than pondering the recent past. Indoor growing is relatively new to this plant, & lightleaks etc are not a mandatory part of our future (That's all I really should have said).
Why then should we collectively breed for them? If you want to then have at it, but don't try & guilt me into it. I feel a strong possibility exists that it's a mistake.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If we are talking about a Thai population in Thailand & the farmer diligently culls intersexed plants from being a part of his breeding program then- right on- as long as quality of smoke was his primary focus, good on him for his responsible stewardship of the line.
Tom

Sounds good except that if the female plant only has a few male flowers they can be hard to find in a large crop to say the least. Specialy if you are growing hundreds or thousands of plants. I doubt they will be found, and if you only find a few seeds in your Thai sticks bought in Thailand the intersexed were not found in fact or removed in time. Most of the farmers in Thailand are just Cannabis growers, not breeders or even seed makers, that is much more specialized then most Cannabis farmers are.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

PS I agree with Tom, if Cannabis was legal then indoor under light growing will not be done anymore. I guess I am saying does anyone try and grow grapes for wine indoors under lights? Why not?
I will stick my chin out and say that I suspect that if Cannabis was legal and available at the 7-11 most people would not even bother to grow. How many people make their own beer or wine? Or grow their own tobacco? I am sure it is way less then 1% of the users.
But I will be happy the day that Cannabis is legal, taxed and in the 7-11, because that means no one goes to jail for posession anymore.
People that really care about their smoke will be free to make their own if they wish, a few people will, but it will be outdoors or in greenhouses.

-SamS

 

[Farmer John]

Good post Sam, and I'll be one of those that'll grow my own no matter what happens.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Me too, John... Me too...

 

[Guest]

I think that you guys are right about people growing indoors only because they are forced to because it's illegal. I'd still grow if it was legalised and I'd be one of the few still growing indoors simply because I have no place to grow outdoors. I love smoking weed but I think that I've come to love growing even more. I don't know if I'll ever see legal weed in the states though. In the sixties I would have bet that it was just a matter of time before prohibition was repealed and in the seventies I really thought it would be a done deal and then Ronald Ray-gun and the eighties blasted us right back into the stone age and we've been floundering ever since. I've pretty much lost any optimism I ever felt about legal weed. What really sucks is that I had thought that when my generation assumed power they would be fairminded when it came to herb but instead they spout rhetorical bullshit about how the weed then wasn't anything like the powerful shit kids are smoking now.

 

[exactlywatt]

I think you miss understood me there EW, my mistake.

I think indoor growing of cannabis will be an archaic thing of the past one day, not because it won't be possible, but because it really is a ridiculous way to grow anything in my opinion. Folks are just forced to do it now. I believe it's a temporary thing.

You're right I did miss understand ya. That's a much more positive notion than the one I took you for Tom! I think you're right, eventually it will be legal. And you're also right Sam, people don't grow grapes under HID for a reason. Imagine the grass that could be grown in legal outdoor fields around Arcata, and Ashland in the NW; and not to mention, Medocino Tom. It is possible that growing regions may change in our world, but I'm sure that somewhere will have an optimal climate for growing Cannabis in our foreseeable future.

 

[guest123]

so heres to this .... and hope we are all agreed its really the only way cannabis should be grown ...

 

[Guest]

Those are beautiful Wally

 

[Dalaihempy]

hi tom your not going to get lite leeks if things are done right first ruel of indoor growing is no lite leeks or should be then is good ventelation and good exhust but saying that my self i always liket out doors and if i had a choice i would infact go with greenhouses instead of out doors or indoors.

You look at what is going on around the world now with climet change and things will only get much worse so you cant exclude indoor growing were infact it may one day be wat feeds us all .

As for freeing the plant i use to think it would be a few years away that was in the 70s now being 2007 im feeling it wont happen in my life time like we take 1 step forwed then we take 2 back if we could ever as a community find unity and work as one then maybe.


wally looking good mate but a lot of states are in draght and to do an out door grow would be imposible unless you took large volumes of water to the grow ereas as even the water from dams or creeks have dryed up due to the draght now .

You know things are bad when there telling farmers they cant take water across 3 states to irigate and vinyards with vines over 50 year old may be left to die unless they get rain threw summer to just keep the vines alive and comlet citys are in stage 5 water ristrictions .


Hi sam i think your right in less would grow as a lot grow for $ to and most people today are working long hours or live fast life styles that have no time to cear for a garden most dont even want lawns .

 

[Tom Hill]

Sam,

Who on the planet has done better than the Thai farmer of yesteryear? My pipe is still searching. In my opinion, the fate of the cannabis gene pool is most wisely left in the hands of the common grower assuming a modicum of selecting skills. Tending separately to our own genetic business may be the safest thing to do, as apposed to pooling together or handing it all over to "real breeders". Some of us will fail miserably & some of us won't, this has always been the way of things. Brandywine tomatoes rule, & Acme hybrids suck

 

[BeAn]

so heres to this .... and hope we are all agreed its really the only way cannabis should be grown ...

Id chop off a toe to be able to grow Ganja like that, i can only settle for indoors and a few in the backyard.. a phat outdoor field would be awesome.

So whats the general consensus, the hermies are bad(unless its a really special individual) but we shouldnt throw the species into a genetic bottle-neck for the sake of sensimillia herb?

Be safe..

 

[multiplier]

IN biology ,,,,, the perfect female is a male!! it's hard to explain ,, but it's the way it is!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

TOM,
"Who on the planet has done better than the Thai farmer of yesteryear? My pipe is still searching. In my opinion, the fate of the cannabis gene pool is most wisely left in the hands of the common grower assuming a modicum of selecting skills."

I spent a lot of time in Thailand and looked for growers to talke to as well as get seeds, and what I learned is that the best Cannabis was comming from people who did not make their own seeds, they bought them from a specialized farmer who grew seeds for the rest of the farmers so they did not need to have male plants around. I talked to a few of the seed farmers and found they killed most males as well as any intersexed plants. Unknowing farmers just use any seed they can get even if the male pollen came fron hermis, they do not know, or do not care.
Some of the Cannabis farmers I talked to were quite aware of Cannabis, most were full of myths and had little ideas how to make better Cannabis, other then to kill the males.

In India when Cannabis was legal in W Bengal the local farmers used Ganja doctors, "poddars" to sex the plants and help the farmers grow high quality sinsemilla crops. The farmers were good at growing the crop, but needed help with sexing and seed production, the poddars supplied these.

-SamS

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

So whats the general consensus, the hermies are bad(unless its a really special individual) but we shouldnt throw the species into a genetic bottle-neck for the sake of sensimillia herb?

Be safe..

that's pretty much my take on it... as long as the really special individual is not really easy to reverse...

 

[Farmer John]

The OHazexSkunk#1 plant I have kept around doesnt seem to reverse if I only give her water and seaweed and if I keep it in good soil, in hydro it seems to freak very easily and if I give nutes to her in soil it also does freak her a bit but not as badly as in hydro, so I just stick to good soil and let her do her thing that way and usually I see only a few seeds in the end.

 

[Tom Hill]

Well, you'll hear no disagreement with any of that from me Sam. It mirrors my experiences in my part of the world as well as across the pond. & while it may make some of my comments regarding the quality of Thai being unmatched a sad thing for some, I don't think it makes them false.

Mexico, Thailand, Colombia etc, etc, etc..

Was it the unlearned breeding practices of some of the original farmers that caused a collapse in the quality of cannabis from these places? Or, was it the insatiable appetite of you know who that led to the practice of massive grows of inferior genetics in these regions? A little of both? A little of one & a lot of another?

 

[FOE20]

Was it the unlearned breeding practices of some of the original farmers that caused a collapse in the quality of cannabis from these places? Or, was it the insatiable appetite of you know who that led to the practice of massive grows of inferior genetics in these regions? A little of both? A little of one & a lot of another?

...thats heavy....I'd say A little of one & a lot of another?..as we still se some great genetics but not enough at all compared to the 70's,80's..

whoa...this got deep quick...
Have you old gentz grown in mixed media long enough to argue the point?...I havn't but I did run soil and not ODoor tho..Which would be great if it were possible. ODoor you still have enviromental issues, animals,..people smellin and gankin your plants..ect
OutDoor for any plant or animal is life and 100% natural..theres no argument there..But lets be real...Who all grows Heriloon toms as opposed to Bulgers or Beefsteaks..I do..I love Herilooms and for a Chef its a must..and organically grown also..But I dont get high off my tomatoes..I feel the Canna plant is a Flower/Fruit and something else that were still learning about..But theres no way to talk or argue on this with these older skilled pros as most are set in their own ways..
I'll say this for what I know and have done myself..Its still the quality of the Grower..
Tom, Sam and these types of fellaz bleed canna and know it inside and out but have they done, hydro, aero, DWC, NFT, D2W and ever Teraponics which can be done ODoor..Hell I think the first teraponic setup was in asian areas up in the hills as they layered their hills to make the most of their crops and enviros..
The next thing is if you can grow...you can grow anywhere,..in anything..at any time..
Now that being said I've come to find that our naturally Purple plants taste, smell and have more Potency when done Indoor in Hydro/DWC as compared to indoor Organic Soil..Im not sure why or how but its just the way it happend. I have done some ODoor grows a long time ago in corn crop plots and respect these guys and their skills to no end but Im sayin theres other ways and better days to come..
I feel the reason the canna scene has so many low grade genetics is cause of lack of dedicated pro after a great quality strain which now seems to have turned into high yielding mediocre shit weed..I only keep anmd breed plants that kick my ass and its not many that can..Im a solid canna lover and have a long way to go but Ive tried enough from all over the world and grown in many different methods by many diverse folks and can say what I do without doubt..
Not every grower can grow Herilooms and most dont even know or care what thy are..thats the true sad part of this is with a little love and pride they all could be making extraordinary things instead of the same ole same ole..
I dont start allot of seds..I treat each one as a person untill it matures and I know everything about it..Can a grower who has a 1000 plant plot do this?...can he rightfully test each and give proper reports and analysis?...
If they did we wouldnt be where it all is today..The Older gents know whats best but the newer gen dont seem to care or take/have the time which is their loss..I grew for 20 yrs before even thinking about breeding plants..Even now I only breed for potency and quality and thats where I'll put my dedications forever..To bad everyone doesn't try to reach the level we all want so maybe its up to a few to set new standards in the field..heheh..punn intended..I dont know..Im actually enjoying some good herb and this thought provoking thread..
Thanks for just talkin on it..whether point or counter point..
FOE20
(ps: SamSkMan.. did you or have you ever done work with Seedsman seeds?..Just curious as they said you had which is why I almost bought more from them.But loose replies dont get my attention..thnx for any reply and its casual either way brah..)

Heres some pics of what and how we doob it...

 

[Tom Hill]

I ain't heavy..I'm your brother good to meet you.

Sorry bout that folks, broke one of my own pet peeves there & didn't give credit to one Mr RC Clarke for that assertion(second half of quoted text). I had no doubt that some would recognize it as one from him. I only thought the moment was apropos to remind ourselves of it, & hope I didn't butcher it up too much.
The Tomato comment was to point out that folks with mega resources can & do turn out shit quite often & regular old farmers still retain the ability to kick their asses in this arena. There's a lot of talk going around these days (& unfortunately it seems to be contagious) about how we (the average farmer) can't possibly do it right because we don't have the resources bla bla bla, personally, I think that's a bunch of horse shit that doesn't jibe with the history of plants & man.
As far as coming to any definite conclusions, I'm not so sure we can- at least not many that we'll all agree on. In my opinion, it's pretty easy to get tied into a kind of circular logic that just seems to go nowhere. What was this thread about again? You still there Cedar?

Best Regards,
Tom