HERIJUANA

[tetragrammaton]

Google "herijuana steve tuck" OR "herojuana steve tuck" and it's the same thing. Why would your guy who clearly isn't welcome here because his name isn't even allowed to be typed admit it's from Steve Tuck? Why would Motarebel admit it's from Steve Tuck? Why would Woodhorse seeds admit it's from Steve Tuck? And all of those call it "herijuana" NOT herojuana.

 

[pongster]

i won't quote you, but just when i finished replying to your PM you post this?
dude... your weed is too strong,
maybe need to try a lighter one
cheers

 

[tetragrammaton]

Also hubcap, clearly your reading comprehension skills aren't the best, because if you would read the entirety of my posts you will see that the Kentucky sativa was later renamed Killer New Haven, and Woodhorse got their F1s directly from Steve Tuck. What don't you understand? Were you in the special-ed classes in school? It baffles me how ignorant you are, and how you fail to read.

EVERYONE THAT YOU LIST FULLY ADMITS ITS STEVE TUCKS CREATION!!!! It doesn't matter if it's spelled with an I or an O. It's the same thing. Many variations obviously because many people got F1s from Steve and the F1s were exactly that. F1s of an Indica (later named Petrolia Headstash) and a Sativa (later named Killer New Haven). There was a great deal of diversity. Anything from indica dominant, sativa dominant, and everything in between.

Woodhorse (Reeferman and Medusers co) grew out the F1's and started selectively breeding it for it's indica traits. Motarebel got seeds from Woodhorse. Motarebel gave his work to your Sanny.

I don't care about an apology. I care about you recognising that it's one and the same and reading carefully what I type because clearly you are missing a lot of key information that I am posting.

 

[Medfinder]

I am glad I got some way back when it was heriijuanna...lol..

All I got left is a cross of a cross in seed form called chemijuana

 

[tetragrammaton]

i won't quote you, but just when i finished replying to your PM you post this?
dude... your weed is too strong,
maybe need to try a lighter one
cheers

You said the thread is poisoned after I came in shining light on the truth. As I said, you clearly hold some animosity towards me ever since I called you out on your hypocricy regarding black market Colombian weed. Am I supposed to be happy and content that you called the thread poisoned and then said you are leaving?

Funny, I didn't recieve any PM from you, but I did PM you letting you know that Steve Tuck is coming here with the heri, so you lost any chance of me sharing any genetics I may receive or chilling with us.

Also funny how you said you were leaving this thread, yet came back now accusing me of smoking weed that's "too strong". Well, that's interesting, because I haven't consumed any cannabis in 14 hours.

And once again to Hubcap who at first was chill, but now wants to be an internet tough guy who can't accept the truth, it must really suck living in a fantasy world where you can't accept the truth and you are quoting people who themselves have given all the credit to Steve Tuck. I also said multiple times that herijuana/herojuana is the same creation, F1s were given out, hence variation.

 

[hubcap]

Why are you acting like such a dick?
IF as you claim Steve Tuck is coming here with heri (good to see you accepting its called HERI by the way) why WOULDNT you want to share the cut and clear the air??
Why wouldnt you take the opportunity to 'prove' your case?????



Just curious.


Ego?




-cap




edit:
Care to show some pics of what as you refer to as REAL Steve Tuck herijuana?
Or are you just his water boy?
I cant imagine HE'D be as wound up over this as you are.
I can't imagine someone with such knowledge of a well-known strain be such a dick about explaining the lineage and the process (and cuts) to the masses.
Ive seen this discussion play out many time over the years, but, aside from words typed on a webpage.....we've all yet to SEE anything concrete.


Hence the reasoning behind taking the sellers of the seeds word for it.
Why would you balk at the chance to prove what you feel is gospel?




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[pongster]

You said the thread is poisoned after I came in shining light on the truth. As I said, you clearly hold some animosity towards me ever since I called you out on your hypocricy regarding black market Colombian weed. Am I supposed to be happy and content that you called the thread poisoned and then said you are leaving?

Funny, I didn't recieve any PM from you, but I did PM you letting you know that Steve Tuck is coming here with the heri, so you lost any chance of me sharing any genetics I may receive or chilling with us.

Also funny how you said you were leaving this thread, yet came back now accusing me of smoking weed that's "too strong". Well, that's interesting, because I haven't consumed any cannabis in 14 hours.

And once again to Hubcap who at first was chill, but now wants to be an internet tough guy who can't accept the truth, it must really suck living in a fantasy world where you can't accept the truth and you are quoting people who themselves have given all the credit to Steve Tuck. I also said multiple times that herijuana/herojuana is the same creation, F1s were given out, hence variation.

maybe you got it wrong, but i meant that you are damn crazy and should take a chill pill.
cheers

 

[tetragrammaton]

Hubcap, perhaps I typed too fast and too many posts for you to have seen, but my goal was not to be a dick to you. I am simply pointing out that every single seed company in existence including the one you recommend (which I haven't tried but I'm sure is dope, and DOES contain the original genetics) all credit Steve Tuck with being the creator. He created the cross.

I'll give you an example. Let's say you have a really good Sativa, and cross it with a really good Indica. Obviously, there will be a plethora of phenos. You find a pheno you like, and you cube it (4x backcross) and name it "Hubcap". Everyone seems to enjoy this strain. You have many F1 seeds of your original cross and you pass them out and let the people do their own work on it. They then have your original F1s, but selectively breed it for THEIR preferences. They call it Hubcap, even if it's nothing like the one that you initially bred and worked on. That's what happened with herijuana/herojuana.

The F1's of this cross were spread. Steves particular herijuana/herojuana (he has referred to it by both names by the way), was his selection that he cubed (what in the cannabis world we refer to as backcrossing 4 times). It was the original herijuana/herojuana that everyone knew and loved in the early 90s. It was sold by his short lived seed company Hillbilly Dreams, but F1's of the original cross, not HIS plant that he named herijuana/herojuana. Steve was/is in severe pain and the opiates they had/have him on, as well as the anti-anxiety meds weren't working, but the cross he made, and the work he put into it, helped him and others like no other. Hence regardless of how it's spelled, it's meant to be associated with heroin, a strong opiate, because of the pain relief it provided Steve, that his own morphine wasn't providing and making him even more sick. I just want you to acknowledge the FACT that all of the herijuana/herojuana are from Steve. Everyone you mentioned including your guy has Steve Tuck genetics. No one, not even Motarebel who you claimed was the originator claims Herijuana as their own. They all give credit to Steve Tuck.

And to pongster, if I took something the wrong way, please englighten me on how so. Also please englighten me on how I am suppose to take your statement of this thread now being poisoned directly after I join the thread and shine light on the truth? If you weren't calling me poison, then I apologize, but you should clear that up.

As far as your snide remark about taking a chill pill, I do. I am prescribed 2mg of Klonopin in the morning, and 2mg of Klonopin at night in order to deal with this horrible world that I was born into and the major depression, PTSD, and general anxiety that I have to deal with on a daily basis.

As far as your snide remark about being crazy, I am not. I have been tested many times, and I am simply highly intelligent, yet am diagnosed with PTSD, major depression, and general anxiety due to past traumatic events in my life. I am not crazy as I don't suffer from delusions, I do not have any personality disorders, and unlike many in this world, I seek the truth and spread the truth. I don't sugar coat things or make up stories.

Back to Hubcap. I never said Steve is coming "here" as in ICMAG. I said he is visiting me this year. When that happens, I highly doubt he would decline a picture, so I can take a picture and post it here so anyone who doubts my friendship with him can be proven wrong. Any genetics I may receive from him will be grown with love and care, but to be honest, I don't think herijuana/herojuana would be of much interest to me, only for my night time use.

Moby Dick from Dinafem is currently my favorite strain for my medicinal use, as it works during the day and the night. I don't think I'd much enjoy a heavy indica, as I never have. I like to enjoy my high, not pass out mid-day, or wake and bake and then go back to sleep.

 

[tetragrammaton]

edit:
Care to show some pics of what as you refer to as REAL Steve Tuck herijuana?
Or are you just his water boy?
I cant imagine HE'D be as wound up over this as you are.
I can't imagine someone with such knowledge of a well-known strain be such a dick about explaining the lineage and the process (and cuts) to the masses.
Ive seen this discussion play out many time over the years, but, aside from words typed on a webpage.....we've all yet to SEE anything concrete.


Hence the reasoning behind taking the sellers of the seeds word for it.
Why would you balk at the chance to prove what you feel is gospel

1. Sure, I just messaged him requesting pics. I will be glad to share as soon as he sees and responds to my message on FB.

2. I love watering and feeding plants, working for Steve would be fun, but no, we are friends, not co-workers.

3. Correct, I doubt Steve would be wound up about this, hence why he avoids forums. I saw that this old thread was brought back from the dead, and now that I am active again, I thought I'd step in and respectfully clear up the myths and misinformation regarding herijuana as I know Steev and I know the story.

4. Steve has never been a dick about explaining the lineage. I've posted the video of him discussing multiple times in this thread.

5. Every single seed company that you have listed has all credited Steve Tuck with being the creator, so I agree with you, take their word for it, because they themselves have given him credit.

 

[tetragrammaton]

YOU ASK YOU SHALL RECEIVE

YOU ASK YOU SHALL RECEIVE

 

[pongster]

"pure herijuana". There is no "OG" Herojuana. There is herojuana. No "herijuana". Unless you want to call "herijuana" anything else that is passed off as Herojuana.

I fail to see why so many typos in a thread. Do you not realize how heroin is spelled? The plant was specifically bred for pain and to be like an opiate. Hence heroin. HEROin. Not HERION, and before some idiot comes in with ANOTHER typo, it's HEROIN, it has never been "heroine".

No wonder Steve doesn't want anything to do with forums these days, everyone is clueless, and just talks out their ass.

so you forgot to tell your friend how to spell it? did you call him an idiot also?

do you realize you created an imaginary fight, without any opponents, just to show off and still lost?

please quote any misplaced credit before your first post here, just for the kicks.

this is why i say you are crazy and posioned this thread.
cheers


edit: hahaha i wrote "posioned" LOL what an idiot

 

[englishrick]

I gota say this is very interesting stuff,, it's just a shame people get upset while we thrash it out

 

[tetragrammaton]

Pongster, as I've stated multiple times throughout the thread, he spells it both ways, and has been on multiple programs and articles spelling it Herojuana and Herijuana.

There was no imaginary fight. People were saying that Steve Tuck did not create this. They were saying that Motarebel created this, when in fact Motarebel got his seeds from Woodhorse who got F1s from Steve. Then they were saying that one guy who got his seeds from "the originator" was Motarebel. Every person named has credited Steve with creating this cross. What is not to understand?

Steve and I proved the point. I thought you were leaving?

Don't you have some protest to attend?

 

[tetragrammaton]

I gota say this is very interesting stuff,, it's just a shame people get upset while we thrash it out

I agree Rick. It's people who have no idea what they are talking about and when someone comes in and provides proof, and corrects their misguided "knowledge" people get offended instead of being happy to be englightened.

When I'm incorrect about something, I love having people correct me. Unfortunately for some, their egos can't handle it.

The good thing is, I have gotten a few good laughs from this whole "saga". The fact that Hubcap only trusts the seed companies word, when the seed companies he mentioned give credit to Steve Tuck. lmao. You can't make this stuff up.

Also interesting that I am asked for pictures of "real steve tuck herijuana" and he instantly gets back to me, I post them, and no one cares. Another thing you can't make up. Things definitely aren't the same here.

 

[tetragrammaton]

I thought you wanted pics of Steve Tuck's Herojuana/Herijuana.

It has been established as FACT by all of the seed companies mentioned in this thread that they aquired their genetics from Steve Tuck. There is no debate. Motarebel, The S guy who can't be mentioned, as well as Woodhorse (Reeferman & Meduser's company) all fully disclaim it's a Steve Tuck cross. What they fail to mention is that they have been ripping people off using his name, and that none of it comes close, but no worries. For those of you who missed it. It's coming back this year.

 

[englishrick]

I don't think the guys you are directing this to "haven't got a clue",, i think they feel like you,,,,you both seem so sure about what you currently believe ,, i like the vantage point from all involved currently in this argument ,, (I'm the one who doesn't have a clue on this subject),,,,i just don't want to see this desolved into chaos,,,

We must be able to correct good people and provide data with indifference,, i know I'm guilty of slapping people in the face,,i just wish we could find a way to have a strong debate without it getting in any way personal,, we must be unbiased at all times to have our real truth,, soon as we get pissed off at each other we are fuked,,

An I say this because I'm probably guilty of this more than most,, il smash someone if I think they are talking shit,, but if someone is just mistaken I have to be the smoothguy

 

[englishrick]

Them pictures make me think heri had some flavour to it in the beginning,, do you guys think it got fuked up after the first couple of bad rounds of breeding,,

What's the oldest heri hero colonial,,, is there a Steve cut,, or whatever the main guys were back in the day,,,

I'm a colonial guy,, seeds do my fukin head in,,,i never find what I want,, i always find clones from large seed selections are brilliant,, but once you go back to seed and dump the clones,, then you need bloody 100s to find something worth shouting about,,

 

[tetragrammaton]

I don't think the guys you are directing this to "haven't got a clue",, i think they feel like you,,,, (I'm the one who doesn't have a clue on this subject),,,,

We must be able to correct good people and provide data with indifference,, i know I'm guilty of slapping people in the face,,i just wish we could find a way to have a strong debate without it getting in any way personal,, we must be unbiased at all times to have our real truth,, soon as we get pissed off at each other we are fuked,,

An I say this because I'm probably guilty of this more than most,, il smash someone if I think they are talking shit,, but if someone is just mistaken I have to be the smoothguy

I believe that the people who think Woodhorse, Motarebel, and the man who cannot be named are responsible for this cross truly believe that they are responsible for creating this cross, but what they don't realize, (not generalizing, but the ones who have been negative) is that every single person they claim created it, all give credit to Steve Tuck.

So, to me, it's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

I know a perfect example, perhaps one that you might be more familiar with, since you acknowledge you are unfamiliar with this strain. The majority of us here know that Skunkman Sam / David Watson, whatever you want to call him, created Skunk #1. Many seed banks sell skunk #1, some from sams stock, some completely different, and some that they've "enhanced" and by that I mean changed completely. The people in this thread stating that Steve Tuck is not the person who is responsible for Herojuana/Herijuana are exactly like a person would be who would claim that Skunkman Sam did not create Skunk #1 when he CLEARLY did.

It is FACT that Steve Tuck created Herojuana/Herijuana in the early 90's. It's also FACT that just because these seed companies are using the F1's from his original cross, and are crediting him by using his name does not sit well with him, AT ALL.

Hence why Hillbilly Dreams Seeds is back, and HIS herijuana/herojuana will be back, to, quoting him, "shove it up their fake asses".

 

[tetragrammaton]

Them pictures make me think heri had some flavour to it in the beginning,, do you guys think it got fuked up after the first couple of bad rounds of breeding,,

What's the oldest heri hero colonial,,, is there a Steve cut,, or whatever the main guys were back in the day,,,

I'm a colonial guy,, seeds do my fukin head in,,,i never find what I want,, i always find clones from large seed selections are brilliant,, but once you go back to seed and dump the clones,, then you need bloody 100s to find something worth shouting about,,

BINGO! Steve never passed out seeds of her*juana. He passed out F1's of the original cross between the Kentucky Sativa (Killer New Haven, named after the fact), and Petrolia Headstash (the old afghan, also named after the fact).

The people with those seeds then took it upon themselves to work with those genetics and selectively breed it to be more on the indica afghan side, hence now a days you hear reports of it having a bland taste.

They did kind of the opposite of what Skunkman did to Skunk #1. If you recall, Sam bred Skunk #1 to be more sweet, because at the time he was smoking a lot of hazes, and he loves hazes, and he preferred the sweeter taste and smell and effects of what we know today as Skunk #1. He selectively bred out the afghan narcotic high because he didn't like it.

The people who recieved F1 hybrid seeds of the original cross selectively bred for indica knockout bland tasting stony bud.

This was confirmed by Woodhorse (again, Reeferman and Meduser's old co.) and then once Motarebel got those seeds that had already been worked on by Woodhorse, he continued to selectively breed for indica traits. When he got into his legal trouble, he gave what he was working on to the guy who can't be mentioned who now sells seeds. That person further inbred the plants and again selected for more indica dominance.

Luckily the real Steve Tuck herojuana/herijuana will be back.

Without sounding self-entitled, I do firmly believe I deserve some sort of "thank you" or "oh, thank you for clearing things up", or "sorry for not believing you" by the negative ones who came at me on attack mode.

This is an old thread. The only reason I put my input in to begin with is because as I've stated Steve is a personal friend of mine, and I know the story. Let the lies die.

 

[3rd-3yed]

Honestly it's very hard to adress a legit and concise reply to turbo posting members like you and the dumb troll wich called me a cop. There was also one member to like his stupid post, I'm not sure it was you but wouldn't be surprised as you probably thought I attacked you in my initial post... I have nothing personal against you (despite using this snitch 6ix9ine avatar for a brief moment lol, we don't really like snitch like him here) as I'm also just seeking truth like many and not claiming to know it all... We are all eternal students, till death.



Glad to see we can finally agree on some points, as you first didn't admitted it was originally named and know as Herijuana, with an "i" way before people in our community would have heard of it spelled with an "o". But I believe you, if Steve is your friend then no need for me to click on an external YT link, I'll take his words on the "Herojuana" name explained as it make sense with the narcotic opiate like stone.



I first thought it was the market who renamed Heri with an "o" to boost sell in dispensaries, I apologise for that. But I also think another valid reason for Steve to call it like that is to highlight his own selection from others breeders working the "Heri" line in parallel. Totally legitimate to me but I'll stick with the old name we all know.



Back in 05' when Chris at Meduser started to sell Tuck's Heri line reworked by him and his breeders crew (he said they made 2 or 3 more gen backcrossing it) Chris told people the story of Steve at the inception of the Herijuana line; he selected a pheno he called "Heri" (I guess a special Petrolia Headstash Dom squat pheno with a killer narcotic stone) from original "F1" he made (althought Killer New Heaven is said to be an outdoor Hybrid, so Heri is a polyhybrid and not really a true F1 to start with) and line bred it for 15 generations while also doing a select backcross every 3rd gen on this 15 years old period. The specific cubing process he used is not just a common simple cubing process and this is quite an achievement from Steve as a breeder I agree, that's why I always respected the man and his work.



I knew well the Woodhorse Heri description (was it original HillBilly Seeds Herijuana description just copied and then paste?) stated from scratch Tuck's Heri was line bred in Humboldt for 20 years, far from being "F1" anymore imo. Then they explained the special cubing technique used by Steve.



Muddy stories can confuse people easily, especially when we're high as fuck and try recollect blurry memories... Thank for sharing Steve knowledge on the line, I find any specific info on this old Heirloom valuable.