HERIJUANA

[englishrick]

New is cool,, but credibility is something that is built,, you can't expect to step up to someone with way more rep than you and speak to them like you did,,, simple

Respect is earnt,, what you did was demand it from a child's perspective,,, work on building rep,, trying to bring someone like 3rd eye whos contributed more than you know here down to your level is just a sign of status, or lack there of

Status is a big deal round here,, that's why some people hold onto accounts longer than 6 months,, status is something I have worked hard to gain, over 14 years hear,, it's ludicrous to expect respect without hard work,,, snowflakes get evaporated round here

 

[tetragrammaton]

Steve Tuck is a personal friend of mine. I think I would know. He still talks about it to this day and his plans to bring it back. It was always Herojuana. Cuts got passed around, and those of you who would take the time to watch the video where Steve talks about it, from years ago would then understand.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand. HEROJUANA, (WHICH STEVE SPELLS IT) was a Kentucky Sativa crossed with an old Afghan from Humbolt.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Interisting theory on the spell of a well know and established F1 hybrid originally named with an "i", and not "o". Original name is Herijuana, case closed. Ask Steve or Chris why they still sell it to these days as Herijuana and then come back here enlighten us.



When I saw Tuck's Heri renamed Herojuana or Herojuana OG a decade ago I knew it was too late: commercial growers/dispensaries wich sold clones in California bastardised the original name using the new one as a marketing tool, only for profit as usual.


With the same logic I bet they also sold more Green Crack in dispensaries than if it was named Cush... You should be aware of this with all the crippy stuff you smoke in Colombia!



Clueless people like you spreading misinformations is what cause confusions in newbie brains, and why knowledgeable members don't bother repeating already well known shared infos on those same old threads over and over... Please do your homework before trying to be the teacher.

1. I don't live in Colombia, and I accomplished my goal and found a seed of Colombian "creepy" which I believe to be Blue Satellite.
2. Steve is a personal friend of mine and spells it Herojuana.
3. I'm not clueless you guys are the ones spreading misinformation.
4. It wasn't an F1, it was back cubed 4 times to get it right. That's why there are so many fake "herijuanas" as you people call them.
5. Watch the damn video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blewq1d8MEE

 

[tetragrammaton]

New is cool,, but credibility is something that is built,, you can't expect to step up to someone with way more rep than you and speak to them like you did,,, simple

Respect is earnt,, what you did was demand it from a child's perspective,,, work on building rep,, trying to bring someone like 3rd eye whos contributed more than you know here down to your level is just a sign of status, or lack there of

Status is a big deal round here,, that's why some people hold onto accounts longer than 6 months,, status is something I have worked hard to gain, over 14 years hear,, it's ludicrous to expect respect without hard work,,, snowflakes get evaporated round here

That is very true Rick. I remember back in the day when you were just starting out here on these forums and got a lot of shit for your avatar, as well as your questions that many people thought were stupid, but like I believe there is no such thing as a stupid question. People used to laugh at your posts, but look. Over a decade later and now you have rep and your grows are amazing and still active here on these forums. Mad respect.

 

[tetragrammaton]

^^^THIS I disagree with.^^^
There are knowledgeable people here. It's just hard to find them with all the "my dicks' bigger" and "I know more than you do" talk that permeates these boards.




-cap

Yes you are correct, there ARE extremely knowledgable people here, but as you said it's hard to find them because a lot of people are gone, and a lot of people like to believe they know the true story when they really don't. My comment was not directed towards any of the valuable members here, and those who are here to learn. It was directed towards the people who refuse to believe the real story from the real breeder.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait until Steve visits me this year to take selfies and get real herojuana seeds just to prove my point I guess?

And I obviously take part in this forum, I was simply stating why Steve doesn't, because obviously there is a load of BS misinformation being spread not only about Herojuana but other strains he's worked on and bred. You never hear people giving him any credit for stabalizing Trainwreck.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Interisting theory on the spell of a well know and established F1 hybrid originally named with an "i", and not "o". Original name is Herijuana, case closed. Ask Steve or Chris why they still sell it to these days as Herijuana and then come back here enlighten us.



When I saw Tuck's Heri renamed Herojuana or Herojuana OG a decade ago I knew it was too late: commercial growers/dispensaries wich sold clones in California bastardised the original name using the new one as a marketing tool, only for profit as usual.


With the same logic I bet they also sold more Green Crack in dispensaries than if it was named Cush... You should be aware of this with all the crippy stuff you smoke in Colombia!



Clueless people like you spreading misinformations is what cause confusions in newbie brains, and why knowledgeable members don't bother repeating already well known shared infos on those same old threads over and over... Please do your homework before trying to be the teacher.

Again, I have to quote your comment to address more things that I addressed previously that was drowned out by some fighting between 3rd Eye and the guy that just got banned apparently. Glad I missed that, although the guy had some good points, he could have been a little more respectful.

1. You acknowledge it came from Steve. Steve spells it herojuana.

2. It is not an F1. F1's can be made. Both parents are alive. The Kentucky Sativa, and the 50 year old indica. All of the F1's and "herijuanas" are just that F1's. The REAL herojuana was selected and back cubed 4 times. Not back crossed. There is a difference. If you don't understand that, then I perhaps suggest learning more about botany, as there are many misleading words and phrases that only apply and/or are used incorrectly in the cannabis community, especially regarding the botany aspect.

3. As Steve says himself in the video, obviously you see variations with people growing F1's. That is what these seed companies who have worked with the strain are selling. It is not true Herojuana. It's an F1 Hybrid, so you are correct in that sense, but the real deal herojuana by Steve, was completely different than the F1s. If you acknowledge this being from Steve, which you do, then how do you come to the conclusion to accuse me of spreading misinformation when my information is straight from the source?

4. The variations you find in F1s aren't bad by any means, in fact you can probably find one or at least work on it, to get a plant almost identical to the real deal Herojuana. The F1s usually take 60 days to flower. The cubed herojuana takes 50 days.

5. (Not addressing you this time, but to others reading this thread), it's common knowledge that Steve created this strain in the early 90's. None of the companies or breeders who have put it on the market are Steve, and none of them are the real deal.

6. Back to addressing you: You should take your own advice and do YOUR homework instead of accusing me of spreading misinformation.

 

[englishrick]

This is the essance of a disruptive learning environment,,

It was disrespectful the way that guy was talking to 3rd eye but now a real member has joined the debate lets go hard and beat the truth out of each other ,,


We seem to be makin progress with people who are have valid rep,, let's get into it,,,



I think it's fair game now,, 2 people who have solid accounts,,, can't get better than that,,, i think 3rd eye was rightfully ready to slam someone since he was on his own,,, now we have goqt rid of the sock puppet let's dig deep and spar till we know whats what

 

[tetragrammaton]

This is the essance of a disruptive learning environment,,

It was disrespectful the way that guy was talking to 3rd eye but now a real member has joined the debate lets go hard and beat the truth out of each other ,,


We seem to be makin progress with people who are have valid rep,, let's get into it,,,



I think it's fair game now,, 2 people who have solid accounts,,, can't get better than that,,, i think 3rd eye was rightfully ready to slam someone since he was on his own,,, now we have goqt rid of the sock puppet let's dig deep and spar till we know whats what

I agree Rick, and 3rd Eye isn't necessarily wrong in what he's saying, or what he was led to believe. There ARE "Herijuana/Herojuana" F1 hybrids. They are not stable at all, hence the variation in the various seed companies that have sold "herijuana" over the years.

The point I'm trying to make, is that even in the beginning posts of this thread, from 2012 and 2013 it was established and mentioned that Steve Tuck created this. He did with a buddy from Humboldt. Early 90's.

I have posted the link, and will do so again, so you all can hear and see it with your own eyes and ears. If I talk to Steve today or tonight I will also let him know about this thread full of misinformation on his strain and see his thoughts. But as I said, he probably doesn't care, as he has the real deal, and has plans to bring it back at some point. He has a lot going on in his life, and putting it back on the market isn't his number 1 priority at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvXIho4ycpc

Case Closed.

TL;DR All of your "herijuana" F1s are just that. F1 Hybrids of the Kentucky Sativa and the (at the time) 35 year old Indica. The actual herojuana that Steve bred for himself and others was not an F1.

Regardless of spelling, Steve is the one behind this, and fully disclaims that a lot on the market is NOT herojuana, due to the F1s.

Peace,
Tetra

P.S. In case my text gets misinterpreted as coming across as rude, or arrogant, I'd like to disclaim that I am writing this completely peaceful and content, and have no issue with 3rd 3ye or any other member on this forum.

 

[hubcap]

FWIW....
This is the write up Sa nn ie posts on his site for

"Herijuana IBL"
By working together and sharing gentica with Motarebel in 2006, I got the first Herijuana seeds (killer new port X petrolia headstash) in my hands, which we planted almost immediately to see what kind of plants would come from this. The result was wide Indica plants which gave beautiful golf ball like buds, but it wasn’t until smoking them that we became really impressed.. Heavy stoned which makes you just sit down and let everything slide off you. I had rarely encountered such a powerful Indica and started selecting plants that met our standards to grow seeds from. The seeds were already IBL when we got them and now after more than 10 years of selecting and stabilising we can honestly say that these Herijuana feminized seeds are among the strongest Indica's in the world.
Seeds are made by Knutsel and ******




Doesnt sound like any "kentucky sativa" to me. And 25 year old Indica is pretty generic.


I -DO- know that san nie got this H-E-R-I-J-U-A-N-A from the originator of it. Whom is Motarebel.


No diss on this "Steve" cat. His HER"O"Juana could be what he claims it to be.



But this thread started with a question about HERIJUANA, and, I hope the thread returns to it.
HERIJUANA has been asked about a-lot in the past and many people still look for it.
Which, of course, is why I always send them San nies way because HE has the ORIGINAL HerIjuana stock.


-cap

 

[tetragrammaton]

FWIW....
This is the write up Sa nn ie posts on his site for

"Herijuana IBL"
By working together and sharing gentica with Motarebel in 2006, I got the first Herijuana seeds (killer new port X petrolia headstash) in my hands, which we planted almost immediately to see what kind of plants would come from this. The result was wide Indica plants which gave beautiful golf ball like buds, but it wasn’t until smoking them that we became really impressed.. Heavy stoned which makes you just sit down and let everything slide off you. I had rarely encountered such a powerful Indica and started selecting plants that met our standards to grow seeds from. The seeds were already IBL when we got them and now after more than 10 years of selecting and stabilising we can honestly say that these Herijuana feminized seeds are among the strongest Indica's in the world.
Seeds are made by Knutsel and ******




Doesnt sound like any "kentucky sativa" to me. And 25 year old Indica is pretty generic.


I -DO- know that san nie got this H-E-R-I-J-U-A-N-A from the originator of it. Whom is Motarebel.


No diss on this "Steve" cat. His HER"O"Juana could be what he claims it to be.



But this thread started with a question about HERIJUANA, and, I hope the thread returns to it.
HERIJUANA has been asked about a-lot in the past and many people still look for it.
Which, of course, is why I always send them San nies way because HE has the ORIGINAL HerIjuana stock.


-cap

Motarebel is not the originator of this. It has already been established by 3rd 3yed and in previous comments at the beginning of the thread that Herojuana or Herijuana whatever spelling you want to call it was from Steve in the early 90s.

From Motarebel himself: "Steve Tuck from HillBillyDreams made the herijuana,it's killer new haven x petrolia headstash. The F1's were quite variable so you had a range of sativa to indica and everything in between. Woodhorse Seeds obtained F1's from Tuck and proceeded to inbreed while selecting for the indica traits. I then obtained seeds from Woodhorse,after selecting and inbreeding 3 more generations i released my first batch of Motarebel Herijuana. While i was have legal troubles i sent some stock to ****** and he started his own line." - Motarebel (March 31st, 2011) on *********.

I'm trying to inform you of the truth. Clearly you thought you knew the truth but the above quote proves you to be wrong.

EDIT: Motarebel is incorrect in his belief that it's Killer New Haven x Petrolia Headstash. He himself admits he got F1's from Woodhorse, and also admits that Steve is the creator.

EDIT 2: Just got informed that the ancient Afghan was grown in Petrolia, and known by Headstash, hence people claiming it's Petrolia Headstash. I was also informed that the Killer New Haven was given to the outdoor Kentucky sativa AFTER the herijuana/herojuana cross was made. So, Motarebel is correct in the lineage, however the two parents didn't have names at the time of the Her*juana cross.

 

[tetragrammaton]

I guess I'll wait on my apology for being accused of spreading misinformation since I just proved that herojuana/herijuana however you want to spell it, and everyone that you claim has "legit" seeds all confirm that it was from Steve.

What is not to understand? Motarebels quote that I posted in the above post explains it all. All you have to do is google "motarebel steve tuck" and you will find a plethora of information on the first search result. Additionally, as Motarebel admits to, he got his seeds from Woodhorse. Where did Woodhourse get there seeds from? F1's from Steve Tuck. When he was going through his legal trouble, Motarebel gave the genetics to your guy who's name apparently can't be typed.

I am not saying Woodhorses work and Motarebels work, and then your guys work are not real. I am saying they all came from Steve Tuck, so spelling aside, they are the same thing. MANY people got Steve Tuck Herijuana/Herojuana F1s, Steve himself admits the variation.

Once again, the original "Her(insert i or o)juana" all comes from Steve Tuck. Woodhorse admits this, Motarebel admits this, and your guy who got his stock from Motarebel, if he does any research would admit this as well, if he hasn't already. No matter how you want to spell it, Herijuana/Herojuana was one of Steve Tuck's creations.

 

[englishrick]

I don't think you are coming across combative,, i think you are standing your ground on your understanding,, unbias

I personally have no experience with heri,, so this is all new to me,, what 3rd eye said caused you to pop up,, now 3rd eye will crome back and agree or not,, but one thing we know for sure now is there is no bias,, no wrong questions,, just reputable people asserting themselves appropriately,,, this is something I value,,

I dont think 3rd eye will ever be a negative guy,, so yeh, this disruption has merit between you two,, it's not personal it's just goood people standing there ground on understandings and eventually we will be happy with the outcome

I think 3rd eye was rightfully on defense,, i don't think he meant to put you down,,he was just in the mode and it was that dickhead who drove him into it,,, i understand,, i do this too,, when Im in the mode I fukin distroy shit,,

 

[tetragrammaton]

Correct Rick. It won't let me give you any more rep today, but you're right. I have no issue with hubcap or 3rd 3yed. I am simply englightening them on their misconceptions. As far as I'm concerned, it's case closed. The spelling variation is just that. A spelling variation.

I have proved my point, and if anyone wants to disagree, they can simply get on google and find out for themselves. It's free information from the sources they are claiming are the "originators" who all say "Yeah, Steve Tuck created this", and when they are saying Steve Tuck created it, they are also spelling it with an "i" and not an "o".

Peace,
Tetra

 

[tetragrammaton]

hubcap, perhaps this quote from your guy Sa nn ie will help to additionally prove that I am correct. This was posted by him on June 4th, 2012 on open grow.

"Thanks Indican dude for the great explanation

steve tuck is the original breeder, he and Motarebel sharing genetics.

Motarebel sended herijuana seeds my way which I used to do some serious selections on them, when moat stopped breeding that time I got green light to sell herijuana ****** style lol



I am working around 6 years on the herijuana and doing selection on herijuana's as we speak.

****** herijuana is heavy indica dominant with a hint of saliva to influence the grow rate, buds are fully indica and stoned to the bone.


I am making fresh herijuana at the moment but this can take around 8 weeks to finish, after this new herijuana project will be started, but more about this when the time is right.



greetz ******"

Clearly he can't speak or type proper english, but yeah, even your guy admits it was Steve. CASE CLOSED. Waiting on my apology.

EDIT: Additionally your guy is also misinformed, as Motarebel specifically states that he never shared genetics with Steve Tuck. Steve Tuck gave Woodhorse Seeds F1's. Woodhorse selected for indica traits, and Motarebel aquired Woodhorse stock, and then began his own inbreeding. He then passed it to your guy.

 

[englishrick]

I like how solid you are in your opinion,,i will be interested to see if anyone can put a real spanner in the works and change the game , this is how we progress 4sure

 

[pongster]

ok so this thread is poisoned.
sayonara

 

[tetragrammaton]

I like how solid you are in your opinion,,i will be interested to see if anyone can put a real spanner in the works and change the game , this is how we progress 4sure

Thank you, I too am looking forward for someone to try to dispute my claims, because unfortunately for those who attempt to do so, and fortunately for me, every single seed company and breeder that people in this thread have claimed are the "originators" ALL fully admit that it's Steve Tuck's creation. To me that is not opinion, but fact.

Additionally, as I've mentioned, Steve is a personal friend of mine and still talks to me about HIS herijuana/herojuana which has NEVER been reproduced, but the genetics ARE out there. Only Steve has the real deal cross. As stated by the breeders who recieved F1's directly from Steve, they all selectively bred for indica traits, which there is nothing wrong with. From what I understand the guy who can't be mentioned has solid plants for those looking for a knock out narcotic indica with genetics from the original stock, however it is NOT the herijuana/herojuana that Steve loves, has, and still talks about to this day. He just hasn't gotten around to it, as I said he has many things going on in his life, outside of cannabis, to where it's not one of his main priorities but he does plan on releasing his version, which was the result of cubing, or to the strictly-cannabis botanists, 4 way backcross.

Peace,
Tetra

 

[hubcap]

keep on waiting for your apology, son, cuz I never said anything that warrants one. (And we wonder why this site is falling off....)



better yet.....get "Steve" on here, and have them explain it.
With proof in the form of pics and posts.
Not just another phantom poster with a new handle. Which happens here a lot.






-never- have I ever claimed san nie was originator.
and Im not wrong in stating that motarebel was an originator.
(to clarify, I havent and am not disputing he was alone in the effort......I, like 99% of us out there, have called him 'original breeder' because over the decades Ive only heard and seen motas name attached to it. NEVER a "steve." ) In fact.....you are the first one I've heard saying his name in reference to HERIjuana. And Im no newbie.

Does that mean theres a right and wrong here? No.



I, also notice --nothing-- you posted described HERO juana. Just HERI juana, which still makes your argument and asking for an apology.....sophomoric. Which only reinforces what most of the lucid people in this thread have been saying.





maybe cry to sann ie, or motarebel (hes still around) for posting the description as such and not mentioning a "Steve," for, that was the info I was going with. San-man has always been a standup guy and if what he has is/was called HEROjuana.....he would have called it as such. And, like all his listings he posts lineage, of which, NOTHING is said about any fabled "kentucky sativa." And when people use generic terms like 35 year old indica, it leads me, and a lot of us to believe, they dont really know what it is -with certainty- To add, with the limited posts Ive seen from Mota on the subject, no mention of kentucky sativa.


So, again, no diss on your boy Steve. Maybe he did work with Mota and share genetics.....but.....San-man did as well, and from what he states.....its HERIJUANA. With no mention of a kentucky sativa OR an unnamed mythic decades old sativa.
Why would "Steve" call it another name if it werent a different strain? Why wouldnt San nie credit "Steve" as well on his page....afterall....he worked closely with Mota....surely if that were fact, it/he/"Steve" would have been mentioned. San is stand up and gives credit where its due. So does mota.

Sounds odd why your guy Steve calls his HEROjuana and Mota/Sanni e call it HERIjuana. Especially if they supposedly worked together and shared genetics.


Maybe, in fact, they ARE two different runs?????? Nothing you posted clarifies this discussion; certainly nothing that can make one take such a hard-headed approach to the discussion.


To be frank. I dont care. And, I certainly dont apologize when Im stating info from a well-respected breeder with an actual webpage that sells stock and stands behind his products.....Its not like I was making up info. OR dissing your boy. Mota is still around....give me time to reach out and get a reply.

Just trying to help out OP in his quest for what he said he was looking for.
Which was HERIjuana.


Not HEROjuana. Which is why you are so butthurt.


Cry elsewhere for "an apology"


Im with pongster. Too much poison and chest thumping in here for me to care to help out OP. Sorry, Dan.
We tried.
Good luck with your search.






-cap

 

[tetragrammaton]

ok so this thread is poisoned.
sayonara

GTFOH, it's well known you don't like me beacuse I called you out on your hypocricy regarding Colombian weed. Contrary to what you think about this thread, it is the opposite of poisoned. Now the truth finally emerges, with solid proof.

Everyone who is saying "S*nnie this" "Motarebel that" "Woodhorse", etc... ALL admit it's from Steve Tuck.

I take back my earlier compliment on your english skills, because clearly you can't read and take the time to do your own research and find the TRUTH. Some people just like living in a fantasy world it appears.

English Rick has known me for a long time, from my old account, and he is supporting me, as will hubcap and 3rd 3yed once they realize I am speaking the truth.

You are venenoso, ignorante, celoso, y no sirve para nada.

Chao Felicia.

 

[tetragrammaton]

Wow you really are ignorant Hubcap. Both your guy, and Motarebel, and Woodhorse seeds all claim that "herIjuana" is from Steve Tuck. It's spelling variation, nothing more, nothing less.

Instead of being mature and wanting to enhance your intelligence, you believe what you want, and read what you want, rather than actually reading what your so called "breeders" all claim, which is that it's from Steve Tuck.

I'm sure if Skunkman Sam sees this post he can verify it too.