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Heaths latest tree grow
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DHF those are coco plants so I didnt want to clog up the thread.The one with the the donkey dicks is sage, my last one since I lost my last cut from to much juice blastin in the veg system.Dank smoke super hazey and sagey. The bubba buds are bigger in coco but the plants are not.got a buncha og's from seed that I shoulda cloned, some blue dreams, og bs 2.2 and one of those I crossed with blue dream.
thanks madrus rose, ozwizzle, and contestsonly.
ddftre the purple bubba in the tree machine isnt really tied up but each half is tied to a concrete block on the floor towards 2 different 1ks. the bamboo is for the coco plants.
DHF those are coco plants so I didnt want to clog up the thread.The one with the the donkey dicks is sage, my last one since I lost my last cut from to much juice blastin in the veg system.Dank smoke super hazey and sagey. The bubba buds are bigger in coco but the plants are not.got a buncha og's from seed that I shoulda cloned, some blue dreams, og bs 2.2 and one of those I crossed with blue dream.
thanks madrus rose, ozwizzle, and contestsonly.
ddftre the purple bubba in the tree machine isnt really tied up but each half is tied to a concrete block on the floor towards 2 different 1ks. the bamboo is for the coco plants.
Heath, I didnt see it mentioned in the thread so I have a question.
Im just starting out on vertical tree grows (using similar mpb/UC method) and obviously have to relearn some things. What height do you put your vertical bulbs above your trees to encourage stretch? I had no trouble getting stretch with horizontal lights but Im getting much less stretch with vertical bulbs, a few feet above the plant. What's your secret to getting trees to 5 feet tall and so full? Thanks!
Im just starting out on vertical tree grows (using similar mpb/UC method) and obviously have to relearn some things. What height do you put your vertical bulbs above your trees to encourage stretch? I had no trouble getting stretch with horizontal lights but Im getting much less stretch with vertical bulbs, a few feet above the plant. What's your secret to getting trees to 5 feet tall and so full? Thanks!
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Hey IGT......Stretch is strain related and with bare bubs hanging , plants grow sideways instead of up the more indica dominant the strain/variety is......
Always kept the bottoms of the bulbs close to the tops of the plants , and they hadta be raised daily till end of stretch......but that was with a 50/50 sat/ind hybrid runnin in krusty buckets , and they ended up about 5 1/2-6 ft tall outta the 5 gal buckets and 5 ft wide.....
Again....Rule of thumb till after stretch is over , is bottoms of the bulbs at top of plants , and then dropped down where top of socket/outlet box is even with plant tops for better sideways penetration.......at least that`s what worked for me many many yrs......
I`m sure Heath would agree......
Peace......DHF.......
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Always kept the bottoms of the bulbs close to the tops of the plants , and they hadta be raised daily till end of stretch......but that was with a 50/50 sat/ind hybrid runnin in krusty buckets , and they ended up about 5 1/2-6 ft tall outta the 5 gal buckets and 5 ft wide.....
Again....Rule of thumb till after stretch is over , is bottoms of the bulbs at top of plants , and then dropped down where top of socket/outlet box is even with plant tops for better sideways penetration.......at least that`s what worked for me many many yrs......
I`m sure Heath would agree......
Peace......DHF.......
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Billy Liar
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Again....Rule of thumb till after stretch is over , is bottoms of the bulbs at top of plants , and then dropped down where top of socket/outlet box is even with plant tops for better sideways penetration.......at least that`s what worked for me many many yrs......
I`m sure Heath would agree......
Peace......DHF.......
Sound advice Fred, Same rules used here...
A friend of mine just used the vert bulbs with coco trees, and yield was not too good... I took a look and bulbs had been too low, and plants had been topped, so there was no light penetration... Its the simple things that come together and make a good grow...
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The rules of a green thumb....
was wondering bout the light placement part , of verticle grows
was wondering bout the light placement part , of verticle grows
Thanks for the thoughts DHF. It's a lightly sativa-leaning strain Ive been growing for years and stretch would go pretty hardcore with hortizontal lights. Ive been keeping the vert bulbs a few feet above the plants and haven't gotten much stretch when they would otherwise be shooting upward. Maybe I kept them too high? Either way Ill go ahead and drop them down some.
verticalsmoker
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Hell yea, good to see you back heath, how ya been?
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Here`s the thing IGT....When you raised the bare bulbs up hopin for some stretch , you were actually starving em of lumens cuz bare bulbs don`t focus too much down , but rather sideways........
Told someone this in another thread couple weeks back....See...with horizontal fixtures light`s concentrated in X amount of sq ftg , as in 4 x 4 for 1K`s , and 3 x 3 with 600`s and the plants will respond accordingly as long as they`re in said footprint........
Bare bulbs don`t work that way cuz they don`t beat down on the plants......It`s actually better to pre-veg/veg under T-5`s , 400 MH`s like I did with my `ol krusty buckets , or even 600`s and 1K`s as long as they`re established , then put em in the bloom rooms after the flip for stretch with the bare bulbs as long as they`ve been acclimated to the big lights , or else they`ll get lumen shock and stall/take time to recover.....
One of my best moves way back was realizing that everything in my rooms that wasn`t green , got covered in reflectix......everything.....ceilings , walls , containers...everything......
Painted the floors in white epoxy concrete paint , and once inside the rooms there was no wayta be in there without #5 welder`s glasses.....Light was bouncin off of everything as it should be.......
Moral of the story is this IME......Veggin with bare bulbs is not very effective , and takes longer with most strains/varieties , unless there`s major lumens bouncin round the room.....minimum 50 watts per sq ft , and then it`s STILL strain related.........
Not sure how Heathie veg`s , but I`ve seen the adjust-a-wings horizontals in his rooms many times.......Just not sure how he vegged his big plants...we`ve never talked about it.....He may very well use bare bulbs , but he`s the mad scientist......don`t try this at home boy`s and girls.....LOL.....
He may do something totally different......I`m just goin off what I learned in my lil corner of the world for many yrs with dialed results.....
Ran my bloom rooms in constant flower and had other areas for plants till they were ready to be flowered....
Good luck IGT....I`m sure with your knowledge and experience you`ll get it dialed in no time.......
Ya`ll take care....DHF...........
Told someone this in another thread couple weeks back....See...with horizontal fixtures light`s concentrated in X amount of sq ftg , as in 4 x 4 for 1K`s , and 3 x 3 with 600`s and the plants will respond accordingly as long as they`re in said footprint........
Bare bulbs don`t work that way cuz they don`t beat down on the plants......It`s actually better to pre-veg/veg under T-5`s , 400 MH`s like I did with my `ol krusty buckets , or even 600`s and 1K`s as long as they`re established , then put em in the bloom rooms after the flip for stretch with the bare bulbs as long as they`ve been acclimated to the big lights , or else they`ll get lumen shock and stall/take time to recover.....
One of my best moves way back was realizing that everything in my rooms that wasn`t green , got covered in reflectix......everything.....ceilings , walls , containers...everything......
Painted the floors in white epoxy concrete paint , and once inside the rooms there was no wayta be in there without #5 welder`s glasses.....Light was bouncin off of everything as it should be.......
Moral of the story is this IME......Veggin with bare bulbs is not very effective , and takes longer with most strains/varieties , unless there`s major lumens bouncin round the room.....minimum 50 watts per sq ft , and then it`s STILL strain related.........
Not sure how Heathie veg`s , but I`ve seen the adjust-a-wings horizontals in his rooms many times.......Just not sure how he vegged his big plants...we`ve never talked about it.....He may very well use bare bulbs , but he`s the mad scientist......don`t try this at home boy`s and girls.....LOL.....
He may do something totally different......I`m just goin off what I learned in my lil corner of the world for many yrs with dialed results.....
Ran my bloom rooms in constant flower and had other areas for plants till they were ready to be flowered....
Good luck IGT....I`m sure with your knowledge and experience you`ll get it dialed in no time.......
Ya`ll take care....DHF......
.....on heaths critical mass run he says "
Here are my two Critical Mass trees vegged for 6 weeks from cutting under a vertical 400w and flowered under 3 x 600w vertical bulbs for 9 weeks."
doesnt say much about the placement of vertical bulb for veg though.
I think I scarred heath off, I bet hes thinking "god this guy again, he won't leave me alone." LOL
Here are my two Critical Mass trees vegged for 6 weeks from cutting under a vertical 400w and flowered under 3 x 600w vertical bulbs for 9 weeks."
doesnt say much about the placement of vertical bulb for veg though.
I think I scarred heath off, I bet hes thinking "god this guy again, he won't leave me alone." LOL
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Wow Medi.......It`s been so long since I last saw that thread , guess I just forgot he used the bare bulbs on his first few trees.....
The Critical Mass and AK-47 tree grows are many yrs old , unless there`s newer threads I`ve not seen......
I had whole lot better luck with T-5`s for my production rooms with increased plant numbers after followin Heath`s proven setups with Ebb and flow buckets , and then his vertical angled racks......but......
6 weeks from takin cuts sounds bout right before pullin the trigger after rooting and pre-vegging , not 6 weeks "after" fully rooting and growing a cut up with T-5`s pre-veggin.....
My krusty bucket plants were only vegged under 400 watt mh`s in parabolics from rooted cuts couple-3 weeks , then stretched and bloomed out , and did what Heathie`s plants did....
Same shit Medi , just said a different way.......I`m sure he meant from "taking" the cuts , rather than 6 weeks after pre-veg and rooting , etc.....but.......
Gotta remember "hybrids" Medi....just like Critical Mass and Ak-47.....mine was a mex skunk phenomenon that grew 2' donkey dicks.........not more indica leaning dominant strains /varieties that most everyone`s hooked on , but rather those that stretch when they`re supposed to , and swell up accordingly till end of cycle..........
I`ve been wrong before.....not much though...Heathie....where yat.......
Peace......DHF..............
The Critical Mass and AK-47 tree grows are many yrs old , unless there`s newer threads I`ve not seen......
I had whole lot better luck with T-5`s for my production rooms with increased plant numbers after followin Heath`s proven setups with Ebb and flow buckets , and then his vertical angled racks......but......
6 weeks from takin cuts sounds bout right before pullin the trigger after rooting and pre-vegging , not 6 weeks "after" fully rooting and growing a cut up with T-5`s pre-veggin.....
My krusty bucket plants were only vegged under 400 watt mh`s in parabolics from rooted cuts couple-3 weeks , then stretched and bloomed out , and did what Heathie`s plants did....
Same shit Medi , just said a different way.......I`m sure he meant from "taking" the cuts , rather than 6 weeks after pre-veg and rooting , etc.....but.......
Gotta remember "hybrids" Medi....just like Critical Mass and Ak-47.....mine was a mex skunk phenomenon that grew 2' donkey dicks.........not more indica leaning dominant strains /varieties that most everyone`s hooked on , but rather those that stretch when they`re supposed to , and swell up accordingly till end of cycle..........
I`ve been wrong before.....not much though...Heathie....where yat.......
Peace......DHF........
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Actually, I was vegging under 1600w horizontal (2x600hps,1x400MH) in Cool tubes for 3 weeks, prior to moving them into the bloom rooms. I put them on 16/8 for 3 days in the bloom room to acclimate before the switch. No vertical bulb vegging to speak of. I really think I just kept the bulbs too high. I kept reading warnings about wide plants, not tall plants so I overcompensated. Will address next round, plus switching to a Critical MassXAmnesia Haze mom for most of my plants next grow. Thanks again DHF and Medimary.
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What do yall do to keep your humidity up in vertical bare bulb rooms? Lights on it hangs around 30% rh (80-85F with CO2) which feels low, at least for early to mid flower. It bumps up to 50+ during lights out so that's fine. Any thoughts?
(btw, now I remember why I got away from IC before....this site runs like shit now)
Next question:
What do yall do to keep your humidity up in vertical bare bulb rooms? Lights on it hangs around 30% rh (80-85F with CO2) which feels low, at least for early to mid flower. It bumps up to 50+ during lights out so that's fine. Any thoughts?
(btw, now I remember why I got away from IC before....this site runs like shit now)
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how about vegging with vert 150's ??
how about vegging with vert 150's ??
ive always vegged with 150 hps horizontal.... planning/preparing to go vert and was planning on using 3 -150's , then 3 400's for veg and finally 3 600's for flowering -all vert???? but vertical virgin here ....peace
how about vegging with vert 150's ??
ive always vegged with 150 hps horizontal.... planning/preparing to go vert and was planning on using 3 -150's , then 3 400's for veg and finally 3 600's for flowering -all vert???? but vertical virgin here ....peace
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Whew...what a thread.
I've just learned soo much. I'm going implement this in a smaller scale.
Very very informative and inspirational thread
I've just learned soo much. I'm going implement this in a smaller scale.
Very very informative and inspirational thread
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Sorry IGT......Misunderstood , but I`m glad I put that out there for the other folks.....pretty sure they were too high though per your post....
Gotta say cool tubes suck big donkey dicks for footprint , but maybe you`ve had good luck with em.....Tried em once when I got some in a pkg deal from mdhydro and lost a full lb from the run before that with bare bulbs.....
Put em on my fence, used em for target practice , and hung my bare bulbs again....
Humidity needsta stay as high as possible till end of stretch , and then as low as can be kept last 4 weeks flower.....Krusty preached 70% till end of cycle , but I felt more comfortable with as low as my dehuey`s would pull it down during swellage......
Never got mine below 45% lights off and on through late flower , but I live in Hell with 80%+ yr round , so I did ok with major air exchange/extraction......at least enough ta keep mold spores and mildews from happenin.......
Good luck IGT.....DHF...........
Gotta say cool tubes suck big donkey dicks for footprint , but maybe you`ve had good luck with em.....Tried em once when I got some in a pkg deal from mdhydro and lost a full lb from the run before that with bare bulbs.....
Put em on my fence, used em for target practice , and hung my bare bulbs again....
Humidity needsta stay as high as possible till end of stretch , and then as low as can be kept last 4 weeks flower.....Krusty preached 70% till end of cycle , but I felt more comfortable with as low as my dehuey`s would pull it down during swellage......
Never got mine below 45% lights off and on through late flower , but I live in Hell with 80%+ yr round , so I did ok with major air exchange/extraction......at least enough ta keep mold spores and mildews from happenin.......
Good luck IGT.....DHF......
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its a good thing that they don't stretch. You have to veg them 6-8 weeks under real MH light (best) or hps light, then put into flower
do a solid veg until they are about 4ft high.. they wont stretch as much as horizontal when flipped but should get 6ft at least
you will have more lateral stretch with vertical.
i like to veg horizontally under t5's until a solid 1ft.. then go vertical with MH
make sure you take good solid clones, bigger clones than sog type.
do a solid veg until they are about 4ft high.. they wont stretch as much as horizontal when flipped but should get 6ft at least
you will have more lateral stretch with vertical.
i like to veg horizontally under t5's until a solid 1ft.. then go vertical with MH
make sure you take good solid clones, bigger clones than sog type.
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