Billy Liar
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BL
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Yes wonderful to have you back indeed!
Hey heath,
Do you use anything other than iconic, sillica and the occasional pk13/14.
Do you foliar feed?
Have you ever have had problems arise in the root zone and if so, how did you go about treating it?
Do you think that a sterile system (IE: hf, zone, etc), or a benificial bacteria enriched solution would be better performance, or better yet, safer for rdwc systems.
Also what is your opinion is on why a plant would rot, just below the crown.?
thanks as always.
Hey heath,
Do you use anything other than iconic, sillica and the occasional pk13/14.
Do you foliar feed?
Have you ever have had problems arise in the root zone and if so, how did you go about treating it?
Do you think that a sterile system (IE: hf, zone, etc), or a benificial bacteria enriched solution would be better performance, or better yet, safer for rdwc systems.
Also what is your opinion is on why a plant would rot, just below the crown.?
thanks as always.
D
DHF
I just made a long ass post about high flow RDWC setups in another thread per the way Heathie rolls MediMary , but I`ve gotta say that there seems to be more and more solutions "beneficial or sterile" to the problems causing crop failure with other RDWC systems , but yet there are still problems regardless...
Heathie put up with Doubled`s constant banter yrs ago about the ultimate RDWC "system" at HG , and in spite of DD`s "knowitall" attitude , Heath still taught him all there was to dial the setup ......and then......
When Heath finally got him to understand how simple it was , he went all high-tech with these big ass "quick disconnect" fittings for fast breakdown and ability to move to the next location , got all complicated with the setup usin all kinds of shit that was NOT required , and Heathie washed his hands of him......
Next thing you know , he`s sellin his shit at the farm as his original brainstorm.......I guess it was , cuz we`d never have any part of all those bell`s and whistles it took for his so-called "dialage".....
Medi......I ran SWC for over 8 yrs with krusty buckets , and I assure you that GH 3 part , lil SM-90 , and silicablast for stem wall strength was all I used , cuz in krusty buckets the plants would grow so fast that limbs would snap from veg weight , much less bloom swellage........
No bene`s , no sterility ,.......Hell.......We tried ta keep "Chloramine/Chlorine" OUT of our juice regimen , and did well.........Now Chlorine and Chloramine are supposedly "beneficial" for crop failure prevention ?.......H202/Peroxide too ?........
We never dealt with such problems and yields spoke for themselves.......not sure what`s happenin with the new system`s these days....
Heath sold me on lower ppm`s , but I`ve never been one to go with the hype of anything but base nutes , so we`ve always seen eye to eye......
Not tryin ta jack my buddy`s thread , but rather answer questions exactly like I know he would........Never foliared a plant in my life , nor heard first hand of him doin it either.....
I`ve seen Heath run several diff nute lines , but no additives or adjustments of any sort........less is more....
Hell......Haven`t seen him run over 7-800 ppm`s in over a decade while results speak for themselves.........
Waitin on yer "Aero" grow Heathie....I know you`ll make some jaws drop as usual...
Peace......Freds.....
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Heathie put up with Doubled`s constant banter yrs ago about the ultimate RDWC "system" at HG , and in spite of DD`s "knowitall" attitude , Heath still taught him all there was to dial the setup ......and then......
When Heath finally got him to understand how simple it was , he went all high-tech with these big ass "quick disconnect" fittings for fast breakdown and ability to move to the next location , got all complicated with the setup usin all kinds of shit that was NOT required , and Heathie washed his hands of him......
Next thing you know , he`s sellin his shit at the farm as his original brainstorm.......I guess it was , cuz we`d never have any part of all those bell`s and whistles it took for his so-called "dialage".....
Medi......I ran SWC for over 8 yrs with krusty buckets , and I assure you that GH 3 part , lil SM-90 , and silicablast for stem wall strength was all I used , cuz in krusty buckets the plants would grow so fast that limbs would snap from veg weight , much less bloom swellage........
No bene`s , no sterility ,.......Hell.......We tried ta keep "Chloramine/Chlorine" OUT of our juice regimen , and did well.........Now Chlorine and Chloramine are supposedly "beneficial" for crop failure prevention ?.......H202/Peroxide too ?........
We never dealt with such problems and yields spoke for themselves.......not sure what`s happenin with the new system`s these days....
Heath sold me on lower ppm`s , but I`ve never been one to go with the hype of anything but base nutes , so we`ve always seen eye to eye......
Not tryin ta jack my buddy`s thread , but rather answer questions exactly like I know he would........Never foliared a plant in my life , nor heard first hand of him doin it either.....
I`ve seen Heath run several diff nute lines , but no additives or adjustments of any sort........less is more....
Hell......Haven`t seen him run over 7-800 ppm`s in over a decade while results speak for themselves.........
Waitin on yer "Aero" grow Heathie....I know you`ll make some jaws drop as usual...
Peace......Freds.....
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Billy Liar
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I just made a long ass post about high flow RDWC setups in another thread per the way Heathie rolls MediMary , but I`ve gotta say that there seems to be more and more solutions "beneficial or sterile" to the problems causing crop failure with other RDWC systems , but yet there are still problems regardless...
Heathie put up with Doubled`s constant banter yrs ago about the ultimate RDWC "system" at HG , and in spite of DD`s "knowitall" attitude , Heath still taught him all there was to dial the setup ......and then......
When Heath finally got him to understand how simple it was , he went all high-tech with these big ass "quick disconnect" fittings for fast breakdown and ability to move to the next location , got all complicated with the setup usin all kinds of shit that was NOT required , and Heathie washed his hands of him......
Next thing you know , he`s sellin his shit at the farm as his original brainstorm.......I guess it was , cuz we`d never have any part of all those bell`s and whistles it took for his so-called "dialage".....
Medi......I ran SWC for over 8 yrs with krusty buckets , and I assure you that GH 3 part , lil SM-90 , and silicablast for stem wall strength was all I used , cuz in krusty buckets the plants would grow so fast that limbs would snap from veg weight , much less bloom swellage........
No bene`s , no sterility ,.......Hell.......We tried ta keep "Chloramine/Chlorine" OUT of our juice regimen , and did well.........Now Chlorine and Chloramine are supposedly "beneficial" for crop failure prevention ?.......H202/Peroxide too ?........
We never dealt with such problems and yields spoke for themselves.......not sure what`s happenin with the new system`s these days....
Heath sold me on lower ppm`s , but I`ve never been one to go with the hype of anything but base nutes , so we`ve always seen eye to eye......
Not tryin ta jack my buddy`s thread , but rather answer questions exactly like I know he would........Never foliared a plant in my life , nor heard first hand of him doin it either.....
I`ve seen Heath run several diff nute lines , but no additives or adjustments of any sort........less is more....
Hell......Haven`t seen him run over 7-800 ppm`s in over a decade while results speak for themselves.........
Waitin on yer "Aero" grow Heathie....I know you`ll make some jaws drop as usual...
Peace......Freds.....
nice post DHF...
less is more for sure, I remember all those days of trying to push yield by using every product out there, then stumbled on heaths simple but high speed recirculating systems, and that was it, more bud - less expense...
peace
BL
Wow Heath, As usual mate your tree looks amazing. I have recently started a URDWC myself but clones only went into the system last night. I will be using 1200watts HPS plus an additional 600watt MH between them. Billy Liar has been helping me alot from BB so hopefully I can produce big yileding plants like you guys do.
Glad to see your about, Peace matey
Glad to see your about, Peace matey
Mass root death is almost always caused by low oxygenation levels allowing anaerobic bacteria to flourish. We want aerobic bacteria because they tend to not be harmful to the roots and tend to work in a symbiotic relationship with the plant. Practically, that means you need higher flowthrough rate and high oxygenation of that water. Max oxygenation levels of the solution are dependent on the ppm of the solution, the temperature of the solution, and the atmospheric pressure, amongst other things. A waterfall pump in your res, large airstones in the buckets, and a high volume pump should be enough to address the oxygenation situation as long as the temperature of the water is kept in check.
I've noticed that of late my nutrients turn to sludge under water even though I have running water and plenty of oxygen. My water temps seem fine and room temps are exactly 72F so I can't understand why I get this problem. Anyone give me any advice..? I am using Advanced Nutes to.
Heath thanks big bro. All of your advice has been right on the money all my success with the system comes from just following your simple autocad, and suggestions on nute strength and water. My girls are rockin but the big bubba got a hard card with high ppms for the week I wasnt around. Shes allright but her buds are gonna be on the small side. The purple bubba is on track. I wont break any records, as long as it works out ok I'll be happy, and take it as a learning experience. Staying around 600 ish ppms is a big part of reaching full potential with this system.
Happy be a part of this and much respect goes out to DHF and Billy Liar for giving solid advice when Heath was busy.
Medimary, zone, etc... wont help with root rot like that at least it didnt for me, when I had similar probs it was from rockwool staying to wet in the hydroton and/or organic nutes left on the rockwool from who gave me the cuts, the other time I had that was having the feed blasting onto the stem or too close. I rock the 1/2 feed off to the side now. This was a hard lesson.lost lotsa plants till I figured that out.
Heath, craving that cheisel, looks fat and tasty! Hows that aeroflo system work bro?
Happy be a part of this and much respect goes out to DHF and Billy Liar for giving solid advice when Heath was busy.
Medimary, zone, etc... wont help with root rot like that at least it didnt for me, when I had similar probs it was from rockwool staying to wet in the hydroton and/or organic nutes left on the rockwool from who gave me the cuts, the other time I had that was having the feed blasting onto the stem or too close. I rock the 1/2 feed off to the side now. This was a hard lesson.lost lotsa plants till I figured that out.
Heath, craving that cheisel, looks fat and tasty!
Hows that aeroflo system work bro?
Billy Liar
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root rot is non existent for me!
its the algae that sometimes pops up that i have problems with, I think a lot of folks don't understand(because their water is not effected in their part of the world,and they have never seen anything like this, so since the roots are brown they guess its rot.),
don't mean that in a bad way ofcourse
I personally have not seen any folks in canada or uk ever have this problem.
(not saying it hasnt happened though)
I promise you this is not root rot,this is exactly what I get sometimes.
when the algae hits me, generally other growers in my area also get hit.
You can use physan20, and knock it out, but I would rather go about things in a preventive manner, and thats why i ask about the sterile route/ beneficial microbes.
Hi there Medi Mary, hope you're well..
Just wondering if you use root stimulator's in your recirculating systems when you get this algae/root problem?
Dr lynette morgan has written some interesting papers on Pythium root rot etc. and seems it can be a prob even in perfect conditions..
She says this:
and this:
so neglect of your cuttings and seedlings, or your nursery area, can lead to probs..
I'm not sure if the pic you show is in fact from pythium or algae. but good water quality is important all the same.. maybe some kind of treatment is needed to the water from your taps.. UV or RO... if you think its coming from your tap water then UV should eliminate the problem..IMO.. Not UV treatment to the res though, but to the water from the tap, Algae just wont survive..
peace
BL
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DHF
Hey Medi...yeah , that was my post in Mr Tortoise`s thread about Heath`s methods of madness........
I read about all the problems with undercurrents and mpb`s over at the farm regularly , just can`t join cuz that nuthin ass Logic banned me not too long after bannin Heathie.......whatta dick ya know ?......
I truly believe that undercurrent`s don`t recirculate fast enough , and use sub par pumps even though I`ve read all the threads and posts about the scientific evidence of X amounts of turnover per hr being the secret behind undercurrent`s success.......
In a nice way I call 'bullshit"...Just ask Heathie......Overkill is under rated just like Lazyman`s sig is screamin......Bigger pumps and control valves to adjust flow as well with a "T" and an elbow above the pump as a bypass to blast juice back down in the rez`s for pressurized "waterfall effect" dissolved oxygen as juice zings in and out of the containers and back to the rez`s is Heathie`s proven method without even using a chiller........
Bro....I can`t know bout all that brown algae/slime and pythium , cuz we`ve just never seen it.....You runnin base nutes and lil silicablast and SM-90 exactly like I ran for over a decade , can only lead me back to my above statement about less than optimum recirculation as well as possibly bottom container temps not being the same as rez temps due to the airpump blastin heat while it pumps bubbles to the rootzones like we used ta see with krusty buckets..........
Sure ...water quality MUST play a huge part in your juice makeup , but again I can`t know where all these problems have originated from due to never encountering any of em.......
Stem rot comes from too much juice above the flood line IME , whether it be rockwool cubes that hold juice like a mofo if not allowed to dry out regularly , and the top feed on my krusty buckets was done away with and pumped directly into the bottom containers once roots took hold down below.....
Me......I LOVED my ebb and flow buckets that I blasted feed into , and sucked it back out at lightspeed...no chillers or chance of rootrot/rootborn pathogens.....
My DTW coco #5 smartpots were the shit fed once a day till end of stretch , then twice with lil runoff till end of cycle.......
My krusty buckets were a maintenance whore pain in the ass that needed contant watch to prevent problems happenin quick with certain crop failure right behind , but they produced like all Hell for over 8 yrs and it was hardta get away from em till I saw how bulletproof the ebb and flow buckets Heathie was runnin and killin it with.....
Heath`s high flow setup`s the only one I`d ever consider if I jumped back into big plants again , but that`s doubtful at best since bein shutdown for almost 2 yrs.......
Again Medi....Sorry bout that fukin slime , but I do think it`s a low recirculation problem , although water quality is possible if not running R/O , but thought you were..........
I guess UV sterilizers would work/help like Billy spoke of and what I see talked about at the Farm ....dunno.......
Holler if I can help Bro....DHF.....
I read about all the problems with undercurrents and mpb`s over at the farm regularly , just can`t join cuz that nuthin ass Logic banned me not too long after bannin Heathie.......whatta dick ya know ?......
I truly believe that undercurrent`s don`t recirculate fast enough , and use sub par pumps even though I`ve read all the threads and posts about the scientific evidence of X amounts of turnover per hr being the secret behind undercurrent`s success.......
In a nice way I call 'bullshit"...Just ask Heathie......Overkill is under rated just like Lazyman`s sig is screamin......Bigger pumps and control valves to adjust flow as well with a "T" and an elbow above the pump as a bypass to blast juice back down in the rez`s for pressurized "waterfall effect" dissolved oxygen as juice zings in and out of the containers and back to the rez`s is Heathie`s proven method without even using a chiller........
Bro....I can`t know bout all that brown algae/slime and pythium , cuz we`ve just never seen it.....You runnin base nutes and lil silicablast and SM-90 exactly like I ran for over a decade , can only lead me back to my above statement about less than optimum recirculation as well as possibly bottom container temps not being the same as rez temps due to the airpump blastin heat while it pumps bubbles to the rootzones like we used ta see with krusty buckets..........
Sure ...water quality MUST play a huge part in your juice makeup , but again I can`t know where all these problems have originated from due to never encountering any of em.......
Stem rot comes from too much juice above the flood line IME , whether it be rockwool cubes that hold juice like a mofo if not allowed to dry out regularly , and the top feed on my krusty buckets was done away with and pumped directly into the bottom containers once roots took hold down below.....
Me......I LOVED my ebb and flow buckets that I blasted feed into , and sucked it back out at lightspeed...no chillers or chance of rootrot/rootborn pathogens.....
My DTW coco #5 smartpots were the shit fed once a day till end of stretch , then twice with lil runoff till end of cycle.......
My krusty buckets were a maintenance whore pain in the ass that needed contant watch to prevent problems happenin quick with certain crop failure right behind , but they produced like all Hell for over 8 yrs and it was hardta get away from em till I saw how bulletproof the ebb and flow buckets Heathie was runnin and killin it with.....
Heath`s high flow setup`s the only one I`d ever consider if I jumped back into big plants again , but that`s doubtful at best since bein shutdown for almost 2 yrs.......
Again Medi....Sorry bout that fukin slime , but I do think it`s a low recirculation problem , although water quality is possible if not running R/O , but thought you were..........
I guess UV sterilizers would work/help like Billy spoke of and what I see talked about at the Farm ....dunno.......
Holler if I can help Bro....DHF.....
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PointofNoReturn
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Nice Thread!
Can someone explain to me the advantage of having a systhem with a hydroton filled inner bucket + a dripper in addition to the lower Pot as RDWC instead of just beeing RDWC only?
I guess Faster growth because of the Aero like effect in the upper bucket. True?
Can someone explain to me the advantage of having a systhem with a hydroton filled inner bucket + a dripper in addition to the lower Pot as RDWC instead of just beeing RDWC only?
I guess Faster growth because of the Aero like effect in the upper bucket. True?
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