Heaths latest tree grow

[MediMary]

your shitcanned too? wtf?
I saw heath was banned, but I didnt think it was really heath, why wouldnt anyone ban him?
well that sucks bro.

hey dhf, on a 4 site undercurrent holding a 100 gallons total, what do you think would be the minimal water pump I would need to circulate the system fast enough to ditch the air pump.
Would 1800gph be sufficient?
thanks buddy.

 

[]A[Boss]

Nice Thread!

Can someone explain to me the advantage of having a systhem with a hydroton filled inner bucket + a dripper in addition to the lower Pot as RDWC instead of just beeing RDWC only?

I guess Faster growth because of the Aero like effect in the upper bucket. True?

true.

 

[cyat]

Just my 2 cents about water pumps. They are not all created equal. Something to consider besides having about 200-250gph per plant is head pressure. My nice 550gph pump from a pet store works as good if not better than my cheap 1200 gph pump. I now use a danner 1800 gph mag drive pump for my 6 unit veg system, had probs with the cheap 1200gph pump. the 1200 is rockin my 2 girls in flower, all have the tee to aerate the res like DHF spoke of. I use valves to regulate pressure, and it seems to help to have 90's after the valve to direct the flow where I want and to make the water run not spray.
I have successfully used plants in this that started in dirt, coco, rapid rooters, cloners, and rockwool. It can all work if the feed is not directly on the stem, hydroton wicks perfectly. If using dirt or coco rinse it off first.
Heath gotta thank you again for all your generousity, love the coming together and sharing of knowledge.

 

[MediMary]

what pumps do you guys like the best?

is that danner1800 working out well for you or should I stay clear of danner. what pump are u using from the fish store(brand), does it get warm at all with extended use?
thanks.

 

[cyat]

Danner mag drive is top quality. Doesn't get warm.The more expensive ones work better than say an ecoplus. Look at the head pressure. Need a 4000plus gph ecoplus to get the pressure of the 1800 gph danner.

 

[DHF]

Medi , I`m not sure there`s a way to do away with the airpump/heatpump in an undercurrent setup due to the way it`s built/setup to flow.....

See.....the pump`s setup "outside" the control bucket/epicenter , whatever the fuck they call it , and it "pulls" juice through the buckets slow as fuck IMO, and then pumps it back to the controller for somewhat of a waterfall effect , but with those bigass pvc drainpipes , it`d be hardta pump enough juice through the system without disturbing the rootzones while surely pushin roots straight into the drains for constant clogging.......

Smaller pvc pipe increases pressure and would recirculate far faster as in Heathies "souped up" Aquafarms he uses 1 1/2" drains on.....

I often thought about a recirculating setup that would blast juice through the system in 1 direction with 1 pump for X amount of hrs, and then that pump kicks off and another 1 kicks on ta pump juice in the "opposite" direction to train roots away from the drains and keep em from growing/flowing in 1 continuous direction FTW.....

I also thought that inside the bottom buckets could be "T"`s on the front and backside of the feed/drainlines to divert flow away from directly hitting the rootmass`s straight on , and create flow "around" the rootzones with a big enough pump to cause a swirling vortex of seriously oxygenated juice around the rootzones as it gets pushed on to the next container , so on and so forth.....

Smaller feed/drainlines= more increased pressure/faster flow.......Bigass pipe= less pressure/slower flow....My vertical rack rooms used 5200 gph "pond aerator" pumps with 13' head pressure to be ableta choke down the flow with control valves on all 4 levels so as to create "equal" flow and pressure to each individual plantsite/container regardless of which level they were on regardless of how close or how far away from the pump they were located...........

That "T" with an elbow inside my rez`s above the pumps helped as a bypass for such a bigass pump while blasting juice back down for that jetstream waterfall effect.......

Pretty sure your UC can`t be retro`d to do away with the heat blastin airpump Bro , cuz you`ve already got the waterfall return comin back to rez as juice gets pumped back through the buckets.....

Get rid of the shit and build a "Heathie" setup like Cyat`s killin it with.......I`m sure you can prolly get closeta what yas paid for the UC`s since they`re so popular with the kiddies.......

Peace....DHF.........

 

[Mr.Tortoise]

Wow I wish I had come across this a year ago. Would have saved me throughing out a room full of plants that died from root rot. Damn Slim!! Oh well thats what happens when your room gets too hot and your pumping that air into your res. I had modified waterfarms and looking back on it almost no flow back to the res. I think I was using somehting like a 500gph little giant pump for 16 plants. My buddy that was running the system with me still bugging me to get back into DWC type setups so I am definetly going to show him this! He is going to love it! Me I will stick with coco. Guess I just love to play in dirt.

Peace

 

[MediMary]

Hey dhf/cyat/heath/billy if you get a chance maybe you can stop by here.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=201846
sorry I don't have private message function yet.

 

[Billy Liar]

HI peeps,
RE pumps, I've tried a few submersibles now and what I've found is that pumps that give more head pressure tend to transfer more heat to the solution (only submersible pumps), so I use a low wattage pump that moves lots of water, the trick is to size supply pipes accordingly... A few warm res's led me back to my college books on pipe sizing... lol..
Externally fitted mag drive pumps should not transfer any real heat as the motor (coil) is not in the solution, but for me piping a pump externally is not simple enough...
A grower known as cabron has just built one of these systems and has his pump on a timer, cant remember what intervals but he's reached impressive DO levels.. I personally think NO timers should be used on pumps as it's introducing another point of failure risk.. timer sticks off and BIG probs are on their way..

Simple ways to get the DO required IMO are:
Waterfall effect in grow tub AND res,
Plenty of flow through pebbles using either full bore pipe or lots of drippers..
And Constantly running your Circulation pump.

It would be interesting to hear Heaths opinion on this but my minimum flow to each bucket would be 1000 lph... I suppose bigger buckets would require more flow... with enough flow and DO there should be NO dead spots in the system, ie areas with low DO, and root growths shows this to be true....

peace
BL

 

[MediMary]

when you say 100lph, would that be with a bucket aprox 10 gallons or larger?

 

[whodare]

i would never use an air pump on my rez for the simple fact that all your doing is pumping heat and dust containing all sorts of nasties into your water. better off with a small water pump that can break the surfce tension. that is of course if you dont already have a properly built hi flow system.

 

[Scrogerman]

I dont think using Silicon products are a good idea, if your having algae problems IIRC. I think potassium silicate promote algae blooms so your not helping using that product. Have you tried innoculation of beneficial bacteria(from day one). Personally id go sterile & run a dead res, using H2o2 or Bleach, i havnt tried bleach but believe its also good. bene's are another route id take. Slimes/Brown Algae & real pita for some people. If you havent seen, theres whole threads dedicated to brown algae/herpes hydro slime here at IC!
Ive seen people get Brown Algae in the UK btw, but its not very common.

Anyway, Who scarred 'Heathy' off, i thought this was his thread! i wanted to see his latest but looks like this thread is well jacked! I wanted to see 30oz trees not algae(no offence)

 

[]A[Boss]

cyat what is this white tee for in your pic here? I don't beleive heath used this. also im guessing you don't rotate the plants in this system during veg. Does it still grow ok or does the plant lean toward the veg light mainly (one sided) - thanks

 

[rastalifestyle]

Heath bee3n following your threads for a while have to give you mad props! Growin sequoias and all! Normally i run organic micro but was gonna run a micro hydro this time as well. I was wondering if i didnt have a res and just had a pump recirculating the water and air stones where the roots are would it still work effectively? thanks so much. your systems are so legit.
-Rasta

 

[cyat]

jaboss the tee is for support. I had lights all around it.

 

[ddftre]

cyat any more photos of your current gro you would like to share.

 

[cyat]

Ddftre here you go
Purple bubba

 

[down2grow]

It's a jungle in there! All you need is a few parrots & monkeys. Haha

D2G

 

[DHF]

What about the plant behind the Purple Bubba Bro.......I see 2 donkey dicks stickin up in the top right hand corner that needsta represent.......

Cmon Cyat......Lemme see the other 1`s....LOL......

Hopin great things for your future........DHF......

 

[contestsonly]

Gorgeous grow Cyat
More pictures would be appreciated