Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

[Ununionized]

And the answer is YES: I DO not just believe but I KNOW government employees will run an international CHEMISTRY SCAM claiming pot is just like heroin

and that magic has made the cold nitrogen atmosphere a "GiantiNy Magical Heedur! YaW!"

You're all being systematically CONNED.

The way your GRANDPA was CONNED about "Pot being a GATEWAY to HEROIN."

No,
those OPIOIDS the SAME PEOPLE feed you are THE
gateway
to
HEROIN.

You've all been scammed by people who told you a hockey stick generator program was a "whole new field of math, ...climate math!!''

YaW.

 

[Phaeton]

Just yesterday I saw a documentation about Norway, the tree frontier goes up North. Foxes come in, Lemmings are in danger. Of Course not the biggest Problem, but I think you can see the climate Change in Little Things like that.

Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.

wait, what? squirrels eat rabbits? do you mean ground squirrels?

 

[Ununionized]

A hundred years is a HICCUP to a patch of trees. The Northern Hemisphere is nothing short of l.e.g.e.n.d.a.r.y. for it's rapidly changing climatic conditions, and the animals there responding in perfectly fluid manner. The Grizzly and Polar and Kodiak and Brown Bears, have all been roaming around up there thousands upon thousands of years.

You have no idea if it's going to be like it was 200 or 400 or whenever years ago. There's no such thing as a tipping point to a planetary atmosphere which has had all the reasons for it's overall temperature being sorted out, and then calculated, then remaining the same since at LEAST the 1860s, when the French

first calculated the values of the (to become the) International Standard Atmosphere.

And lest you claim thim fellurs down thair what discovered bowt the devil wead, and the devilish gaissiness what made a cold nitrogen bath a magical heedur, cain't nevur be rawng,

I'll point out to you that in the 1970s, * * *specifically to counter Hansen's fakery about gas temperatures varying from the values specifically predicted and achieved in tandem by mathematics and physical law* * *

the Americans adopted the AMERICAN Standard Atmosphere, keeping essentially the IDENTICAL International Standard Atmosphere, only EXPANDING it's known values UPWARD a couple of hundred thousand feet.

When all the
astronauts
ship captains
scuba divers
welders
air conditioning engineers
electronic communications engineers
airplane pilots
helicopter pilots
aerospace design engineers
aeronautics design engineers
Atmospheric Chemistry classes

ALL have to have a SPECIAL insert made into their EDUCATION abowt how, uh

"cold nitrogen bath, laced with frigid light blocking refrigerants, is a big oL giantiny magically unable to be understood HEATER"

and that the entire CALIBRATION and THERMAL SENSING and gas measurement fields, have had to RE-WRITE their TEXTBOOKS for a DIFFERENT

I.N.T.E.R.N.A.T.I.O.N.A.L. Atmosphere,

you won't
have been the victim
of CON MEN who told you a

hockey stick generator coded so badly people couldn't tell what it was even SUPPOSED to be
is an entirely new field of math - climate math,

and you won't have been the victim of a man - Hansen - claiming he can calculate the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, using SOLELY Stefan-Boltzmann processes: something WELL KNOWN to be impossible or there * * *wouldn't be gas law for solving the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, and other gases, aside from Stefan-Boltzmann processing.* * *

There's been no tipping point except people have figured out Hansen and Mann and Trenberth and Jones, and Wigley, are all a buncha frauds,

from when they had a THOUSAND of their WORK EMAILS released after they REFUSED to HONOR the PUBLIC'S DEMAND to SEE THEIR WORK.

Many of us knew before that.

Hockey stick generators aren't real mathematics
Strip bark trees are useless for telling temperature
Hansen's models calculate the temperature of the atmosphere 33 degrees SHORT - the PRECISE thing that HAPPENS when yoU CLAIM you can CALCULATE the temperatures of COMPRESSIBLE PHASE MATTER
using Stefan-Boltzmann processing ALONE.

He can't even calculate the temperature of our global atmosphere correctly, he knows how he s.i.m.p.l.y. WON'T.

Hansen also lied to you telling you the temperature of Venus is somehow different than projected by the classical gas law written to determine precisely that. He lied, we know the proper law of physics operates right there because the * * *aeronautics guys land the 13 spacecraft we've put on Venus* * * using *standard mathematics for temperature/density relationships of gases.*

We have the RADIO'D BACK TEMPERATURE DATA all the way to the SURFACE.

You're simply the victim of a fraud by government employees, that's all there is to it, and it's not going to do anything but be the same for probably several HUNDRED years.

Peace on ya.

Don't take any more fake math/fake tree data/fake atmospheric temperature calculations/fake computer programming/fake "the laws of physics has dun changed, and we awl got to sind monie to thim guvurmint fellurs, what's dun discovered abowt the devil weed, and now the devilish magical gaissiness!"

wooden nickels.

Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

Alaska's interior is predominately Black Spruce. As a child in the 1950's it rivaled the Cottonwood. Spruce beetles had been on the edges and along the coast for millennia, keeping the Black Spruce to the interior.
In the 1990's the tipping point was crossed and the Spruce Beetles began surviving winters further north.
In 2003 an area larger than four New England states combined burned in southern Alaska, whole forests of dead trees killed by the beetles.
Still moving north.

Squirrels are waking up before the rabbits and now their take is 40% of the rabbit population yearly. The squirrels eat the babies still in the nest. This affects the Fox population.

This will all balance out in the end, but it will not be what it was.
That is gone.

Hello Phaeton, yes, that´s what I mean. And I see it also so, that it will all balance out in the end is right. In an book I was reading that hedgehogs can get problems with the hibernation. It´s important that they sleep all of the wintertime and it´s important that it´s cold enough that they don´t awake.. If they awake it cost them a lot of energy and makes them weak. He he, funny to write about biology with my simple english.

 

[Water-]

A hundred years is a HICCUP to a patch of trees. The Northern Hemisphere is nothing short of l.e.g.e.n.d.a.r.y. for it's rapidly changing climatic conditions, and the animals there responding in perfectly fluid manner. The Grizzly and Polar and Kodiak and Brown Bears, have all been roaming around up there thousands upon thousands of years.

You have no idea if it's going to be like it was 200 or 400 or whenever years ago. There's no such thing as a tipping point to a planetary atmosphere which has had all the reasons for it's overall temperature being sorted out, and then calculated, then remaining the same since at LEAST the 1860s, when the French

first calculated the values of the (to become the) International Standard Atmosphere.

And lest you claim thim fellurs down thair what discovered bowt the devil wead, and the devilish gaissiness what made a cold nitrogen bath a magical heedur, cain't nevur be rawng,

I'll point out to you that in the 1970s, * * *specifically to counter Hansen's fakery about gas temperatures varying from the values specifically predicted and achieved in tandem by mathematics and physical law* * *

the Americans adopted the AMERICAN Standard Atmosphere, keeping essentially the IDENTICAL International Standard Atmosphere, only EXPANDING it's known values UPWARD a couple of hundred thousand feet.

When all the
astronauts
ship captains
scuba divers
welders
air conditioning engineers
electronic communications engineers
airplane pilots
helicopter pilots
aerospace design engineers
aeronautics design engineers
Atmospheric Chemistry classes

ALL have to have a SPECIAL insert made into their EDUCATION abowt how, uh

"cold nitrogen bath, laced with frigid light blocking refrigerants, is a big oL giantiny magically unable to be understood HEATER"

and that the entire CALIBRATION and THERMAL SENSING and gas measurement fields, have had to RE-WRITE their TEXTBOOKS for a DIFFERENT

I.N.T.E.R.N.A.T.I.O.N.A.L. Atmosphere,

you won't
have been the victim
of CON MEN who told you a

hockey stick generator coded so badly people couldn't tell what it was even SUPPOSED to be
is an entirely new field of math - climate math,

and you won't have been the victim of a man - Hansen - claiming he can calculate the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, using SOLELY Stefan-Boltzmann processes: something WELL KNOWN to be impossible or there * * *wouldn't be gas law for solving the temperatures of the atmospheres of planets, and other gases, aside from Stefan-Boltzmann processing.* * *

There's been no tipping point except people have figured out Hansen and Mann and Trenberth and Jones, and Wigley, are all a buncha frauds,

from when they had a THOUSAND of their WORK EMAILS released after they REFUSED to HONOR the PUBLIC'S DEMAND to SEE THEIR WORK.

Many of us knew before that.

Hockey stick generators aren't real mathematics
Strip bark trees are useless for telling temperature
Hansen's models calculate the temperature of the atmosphere 33 degrees SHORT - the PRECISE thing that HAPPENS when yoU CLAIM you can CALCULATE the temperatures of COMPRESSIBLE PHASE MATTER
using Stefan-Boltzmann processing ALONE.

He can't even calculate the temperature of our global atmosphere correctly, he knows how he s.i.m.p.l.y. WON'T.

Hansen also lied to you telling you the temperature of Venus is somehow different than projected by the classical gas law written to determine precisely that. He lied, we know the proper law of physics operates right there because the * * *aeronautics guys land the 13 spacecraft we've put on Venus* * * using *standard mathematics for temperature/density relationships of gases.*

We have the RADIO'D BACK TEMPERATURE DATA all the way to the SURFACE.

You're simply the victim of a fraud by government employees, that's all there is to it, and it's not going to do anything but be the same for probably several HUNDRED years.

Peace on ya.

Don't take any more fake math/fake tree data/fake atmospheric temperature calculations/fake computer programming/fake "the laws of physics has dun changed, and we awl got to sind monie to thim guvurmint fellurs, what's dun discovered abowt the devil weed, and now the devilish magical gaissiness!"

wooden nickels.

coal workers union?

 

[stoned40yrs]

wait, what? squirrels eat rabbits? do you mean ground squirrels?[/QUOTE

Red squirrels only ground squirrels we have here are Arctic ground squirrels that live way north or at very high elevations away from areas that have rabbits. Red Squirrels eat meat here, any kind. At my place they seem to prefer pork chop bones. Sumbitches

 

[igrowone]

wait, what? squirrels eat rabbits? do you mean ground squirrels?[/QUOTE

Red squirrels only ground squirrels we have here are Arctic ground squirrels that live way north or at very high elevations away from areas that have rabbits. Red Squirrels eat meat here, any kind. At my place they seem to prefer pork chop bones. Sumbitches

other squirrels like some red meat from time to time
flying squirrels are cannibals, they will eat other dead flying squirrels

 

[igrowone]

Item of Interest on the NSIDC discussion of this year's arctic maximum
there was a huge amount of snow in the northern hemisphere this winter
much more than normal, see the charts below
significance? not discussed in the article
but higher humidity in that region of the atmosphere is a possible inference
higher humidity is a very big deal, the weather is changing and the speed is not slowing down

Deep snow in Russia and Europe

Figure 5. These images show Northern Hemisphere water equivalent of snow cover in millimeters (top) and Northern Hemisphere total snow mass in gigatons (bottom) from October 2017 to March 31, 2018.

Credit: GlobSnow Project and the Finnish Meteorological Institute
High-resolution image

Snow cover extent on the land masses surrounding the Arctic Ocean was average this past winter. However, an analysis of the snow cover thickness and density showed that the total snow mass this past winter was high. Estimates of total snow mass as of March 31 showed that the Northern Hemisphere had nearly 700 billion tons more snow this winter than the 1982 to 2012 average. Many areas of Russia and northern Europe had more than 150 millimeters (6 inches) of water-equivalent on the ground, present as deep snow cover. Snow extent had been above average the entire autumn-winter season but grew to exceptional levels beginning in February. Although the total snow mass has begun to decrease, it is still far above average. The analysis is based on many sources of snow and snow depth data, including passive microwave data produced by NSIDC (EASE-Grid Snow Water Equivalent and Daily Snow Cover), and data derived from several other groups from the European Space Agency and the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration.

 

[Phaeton]

I was here for Alaska's record snowfall of 1993. This year already has the deepest snow since that year and still some left to fall.

Summers are wetter as well. From 5 days over 90 F and 18 over 80 F we are down to none over 90 F and 5 over 80 F.
But...
Winters have more snow and snow means cloud cover. Cloud cover means greenhouse effect. Winters have warmed up close to 30 degrees since the 1960's.
This more than offsets the mildly cooler summers.

On a personal note, growing marijuana outdoors went from a guaranteed harvest to a 1 in 10 chance of a good crop. My area is right on the balance point, from 1977 through 1992 almost all the outdoor crops were fine. From 1993 through 2017 it dwindled to zero. The final decent crop was 2008 and that followed a dry spell.
Last year I put up a tunnel greenhouse but keeping the plants dry did not add sunlight.

Climate change is different on the edge of survivable conditions, small changes are big changes.

 

[trichrider]

!

 

[trichrider]

!

 

[trichrider]

!

 

[Water-]

The world is moving away from fossil fuels Trichrider, better find something else to invest your money in.

 

[coconutcurry]

No comment

These Before and After Photos Show How Glaciers in the US Are Melting
https://petapixel.com/2015/10/25/th...otos-show-how-glaciers-in-the-us-are-melting/

 

[armedoldhippy]

No comment

These Before and After Photos Show How Glaciers in the US Are Melting
https://petapixel.com/2015/10/25/th...otos-show-how-glaciers-in-the-us-are-melting/

"you nay not vote on any more threads today" well, fuck. good pix, coco.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

No comment

These Before and After Photos Show How Glaciers in the US Are Melting
https://petapixel.com/2015/10/25/th...otos-show-how-glaciers-in-the-us-are-melting/

Let's pretend it's not happening because someone showed me data that said it isn't.

 

[igrowone]

...
The study, published on Thursday, finds that if CO2 in the atmosphere doubled, global temperatures would climb at most by 3.4 degrees Celsius. That's far below what the UN has been saying for decades, namely that temperatures would rise as much as 4.5 degrees, and possibly up to 6 degrees.

Basically, the scientists involved in the Nature study found that the planet is less sensitive to changes in CO2 levels than had been previously believed. That means projected temperature increases are too high.

Of course this is just one study, but it supports the contention climate skeptics have been making for years — that the computer models used to predict future warming were exaggerating the impact of CO2, evidenced in part by the fact that the planet hasn't been warming as much as those models say it should.

...https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-doomsday-temperature-increase-co2/

you do post good science topics from time to time
and as you have pointed out, it's one study of many
is it the 'right' one? that of course is not going to be known until future events occur
but 2 degrees Celsius and NY feels like Florida

 

[trichrider]

!

 

[igrowone]

Tidings from the gulf stream

Tidings from the gulf stream

another article from Nature
indications the main circulation current in the Atlantic is weakening
much argument, this is the cutting edge of global climate research
but quite ominous, you'll likely feel this change if it is actually happening





WASHINGTON — Global warming is likely slowing the main Atlantic Ocean circulation, which has plunged to its weakest level on record, according to a new study.

The slowdown in the circulation — a crucial part of Earth's climate — had been predicted by computer models, but researchers said they can now observe it. It could make for more extreme weather across the Northern Hemisphere, especially Europe, and could increase sea level rise along the U.S. East Coast, they said.

The slowdown also raises the prospect of a complete circulation shutdown, which would be a dangerous "tipping point," according to a study in Wednesday's journal Nature .

Such a shutdown was the premise of the scientifically inaccurate 2004 disaster movie "The Day After Tomorrow." Study authors said a collapse is at least decades away but would be a catastrophe.

"We know somewhere out there is a tipping point where this current system is likely to break down," said study co-author Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. "We still don't know how far away or close to this tipping point we might be. ... This is uncharted territory."

Some other scientists are skeptical, citing a scarcity of data.

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, called AMOC, is a key conveyor belt for ocean water and air, creating weather. Warm salty water moves north from the tropics along the Gulf Stream off the U.S. East Coast to the North Atlantic, where it cools, sinks and heads south. The faster it moves, the more water is turned over from warm surface to cool depths.

"This overturning circulation redistributes heat on our planet," said study lead author Levke Caesar, a physicist at the Potsdam Institute. "It brings heat from the tropics to the high latitudes."

The Caesar study and another one published in the same issue of Nature by a different team indicate that the Atlantic's circulation is the weakest it's been in about 1,500 years. And the slowdown is intensifying.

Since the middle of the 20th century, the speed at which the ocean moves water in the AMOC has dropped 15 percent, the study found, using cold subpolar water temperatures as an indirect measurement. And it has plummeted in recent years, the study concluded.

The Gulf Stream, the warm water current where hurricanes can power up, historically veers away from the United States around the Carolinas or Virginia. The Gulf Stream now hugs closer to coast around New York, and there's a significantly warmer bulge around Maine related to the circulation slowdown, Rahmstorf and Caesar said. The northern U.S. Atlantic coastal waters have warmed faster than most parts of the ocean in recent decades, researchers said.

Scientists blame global warming in a couple of ways.

Warmer water lessens the amount of cooling and makes it harder for the water to sink and turn over. Ice sheets and glaciers in Greenland are melting and the fresh water is pouring into the area where the water turns over, making it less salty, less dense and therefore less likely to sink. There's also more rain and snow in northern areas and more evaporation in southern areas, altering the flow, Rahmstorf said.

"It's a slow change at the moment, but we're changing it," Caesar said. "One danger is in the unknown of what will happen. We should expect changes."

Rahmstorf and Caesar looked at an established cold patch — about 2 million square miles (5.2 million square kilometers), or the size of India and Mexico combined — as the indirect measurements for the speed of the AMOC, calling it a fingerprint of the ocean circulation.

It's clear that the circulation is weakening, said Colorado State hurricane expert Phil Klotzbach, who wasn't part of the studies. Decades ago, that would have meant weaker Atlantic hurricane activity, but that hasn't been happening and it could mean there is a difference in weakening in winter and summer, he said.

Andreas Schmittner at Oregon State University, who also wasn't part of the studies, said the Potsdam group's analysis makes sense, adding that as the world emits more greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels, we can expect it to slow further.

But MIT's Carl Wunsch said that the paper's "assertions of weakening are conceivable, but unsupported by any data."

And Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research said his recent work faults regular cycles in the atmosphere more than the ocean. He said the Potsdam study doesn't explain year to year variability, while atmospheric cycles do.

Rahmstorf said his study averages data over a decade at a time to render year-to-year changes less meaningful. The work shows that it is ocean circulation that drives the changes in atmosphere, not the other way around, he said.