Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

[moose eater]

I wonder where hydro-electric fits in all of that? Though there are down-sides there too.

There's also further investigation of larger-scale tide water turbines, some of which can be adapted to run both directions with the current, or river turbines, which we had earlier concepts of in smaller size almost 50 years ago.

Debris is a concern in either case, but also a source of employment via maintenance.

EVs in the North Country face challenges when there's relatively extreme cold. Heating passenger compartments, battery life, malfunctions with charging adapters, and, for now, availability of reliable charging stations.

 

[exoticrobotic]

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The 3 bin system here in Australia is a joke, the rubbish that goes in the recycling bin mostly goes to landfill, is it just the metal that gets recycled.

Same in the UK, in fact i think it may have been shipped to third world countries via massively polluting tankers.

EV's are a joke too, they don't reduce CO2, where do you thing the electricity comes from to charge them? Coal/gas fired power stations.

True, but on scale, power stations are a lot more efficient and can also tackle the emmisions better at scale, also there is a chance some of the power comes from renewables like solar wind etc.

EVs arent a joke though, at least hybrid ones aren't.

0-60 in just over 7 seconds, gives me a real rush while helping save the planet too

let's face it, 80% of the young population : - the junk food eating, influencing, you owe us large chav crowd aint gonna do shit...

 

[Rgd]

lying fking CBC saying hottest May ever .,,what horse shit..

 

[pop_rocks]

Why do you want your meat in a plastic bag? You afraid of contamination?
The only place I've had a drink in a plastic bag is in Asia. Which is the most polluted place I've ever been. Quite sad really. This is a pic of a beach in Vietnam.
Victoria is a state of Australia.
We also have 3 bins.
I'm still waiting for you enlighten us with your so called "scientific background" you claimed to have. Or was that just complete bullshit to try and gain some credibility?? View attachment 19013285 View attachment 19013286

the main reason to wrap raw meat would be sanitation, not just for me but the next person
how does your meat come packaged? do you hunt your own food
im glad you actually get out and see the world
that dosent look that bad and i sure you picked up all the trash before you left the beach?!? right
/ive seen so much worse in places like mexico, beautiful beaches soiled by garbage i would not even want to touch
and thanks for the geography lesson magellan , i know wtf victoria is
/its part of the joke! but i guess it went over your head
i couldent give two shits about what you think of me or my background so i feel no need to elaborate on my work history or my past
just know im in my 50s and retired
/how about you big boy? whats your background? ever go to school or accomplish anything of worth
...
balls in your court
you think your doing your part by sorting your trash? you are as mucha part of the problem as any polluter

The 3 bin system here in Australia is a joke, the rubbish that goes in the recycling bin mostly goes to landfill, is it just the metal that gets recycled.

EV's are a joke too, they don't reduce CO2, where do you thing the electricity comes from to charge them? Coal/gas fired power stations.
It takes enough electricity to power 100,000 homes to run just 1 fast recharging station.
There is not enough lithium in the world to go completely EV.
There are currently 6000 Tesla's sitting in a parking lot unused/unsold.
China has many tens of thousands of EV's sitting unused/unsold.

they dont sort the paper and glass out as well?
i hear clear glass is the easiest to recycle and cardboard/paper is very recyclable
i wonder why they dont sort that out, just so it dosent go in then landfill and take up all that space

Good to see you lot have turned into "greenies" instead of climate change worriers warriors

Reckon I could probably out green most of you believers, except for the 3 V8s the Landcruiser, the wizz bang turbo the two ride on mowers + the 1/2 dozen two stroke motors

I did plant about 500 trees to suck up the Co2 they produce, have had solar panels for years, stnuc don't work very good in winter tho lucky coal does


Anyway I'll ask you believers again, if the globe went "net zero" tomorrow how much would the global temp drop, it shouldn't be to hard to work out

i must confess i like my big v-8 truck
i like camping in the wild and when you are in the back country i appreciate having the extra ass , plus she is comfortable and roomy on the inside
wow man, 500 trees! that must be like your own little forest! that would be rad

 

[moose eater]

By the way, as far as soft plastics go, to include the nemesis of the oceans, those 'convenient' plastic shopping bags that cover that floating Island of trash in the South Pacific, where ALL SORTS of floating debris can be found in a swirling Island of rubbish that's literally miles wide and long, to include at least one long-dead Alaskan crab fisherman still in his emergency flotation suit (Yuck!! He'd been missing a LONG time, too. I'm sure the fishes enjoyed the bits they could access), when local elections have been held around the State of Alaska to ban such bags, the results have often been the defeat of those proposed bans. We like our conveniences, no matter what.

My wife uses her own cloth grocery bags instead.

Some places (especially over in Whitehorse Yukon Territory) charge a nominal fee for the plastic bags as a deterrent to their use.

I reuse them to wrap plates of leftovers or to contain leaking packaging, such a with poultry or burger. Or as smaller trash bags.

But that Island of garbage in the South Pacific, that's as much a testament to our species as the used syringes lying on the ground at playgrounds and parks.

Seems that wherever 'we' go, there's more than a mild propensity to fuck it up, whether rubbish or over-consumption.

 

[pop_rocks]

By the way, as far as soft plastics go, to include the nemesis of the oceans, those 'convenient' plastic shopping bags that cover that floating Island of trash in the South Pacific, where ALL SORTS of floating debris can be found in a swirling Island of rubbish that's literally miles wide and long, to include at least one long-dead Alaskan crab fisherman still in his emergency flotation suit (Yuck!! He'd been missing a LONG time, too. I'm sure the fishes enjoyed the bits they could access), when local elections have been held around the State of Alaska to ban such bags, the results have often been the defeat of those proposed bans. We like our conveniences, no matter what.

My wife uses her own cloth grocery bags instead.

Some places (especially over in Whitehorse Yukon Territory) charge a nominal fee for the plastic bags as a deterrent to their use.

I reuse them to wrap plates of leftovers or to contain leaking packaging, such a with poultry or burger. Or as smaller trash bags.

But that Island of garbage in the South Pacific, that's as much a testament to our species as the used syringes lying on the ground at playgrounds and parks.

Seems that wherever 'we' go, there's more than a mild propensity to fuck it up, whether rubbish or over-consumption.

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again, this is where you need to be the change you want to see
you mentioned your wife uses her own reusable cloth bag
well thats mandatory here in california, or you can pay .10c a bag and they will give you a plastic bag
/mind you this is similar to the plastic bags i get at the mexican joint for free but i guess when you buy food for home it is more harmful to the environment
part of recycling is reuse the shit out of these bags and then use them as trash bags
and thats a pretty grim image, the dead guy from alaska floating in the garbage island
/does that make him the first person to set foot on garbage island
i hear on everest there are still people who have been there for decades, but i dont wat to stray too much from the point

/dident mean to sound harsh @moose eater

 

[Porky82]

The 3 bin system here in Australia is a joke, the rubbish that goes in the recycling bin mostly goes to landfill, is it just the metal that gets recycled.

EV's are a joke too, they don't reduce CO2, where do you thing the electricity comes from to charge them? Coal/gas fired power stations.
It takes enough electricity to power 100,000 homes to run just 1 fast recharging station.
There is not enough lithium in the world to go completely EV.
There are currently 6000 Tesla's sitting in a parking lot unused/unsold.
China has many tens of thousands of EV's sitting unused/unsold.

Fuck you just make shit up don't ya!!
100000 homes to 1 charging station is absolute garbage!!
Only metal is recycled in the 3 bin system also absolute rubbish!!
Not enough Lithium in the world more fucking bullshit from you!!
You talk nothing but complete made up dribble.
I challenge you to post anything that proves any of you lies!!

 

[Porky82]

the main reason to wrap raw meat would be sanitation, not just for me but the next person
how does your meat come packaged? do you hunt your own food
im glad you actually get out and see the world
that dosent look that bad and i sure you picked up all the trash before you left the beach?!? right
/ive seen so much worse in places like mexico, beautiful beaches soiled by garbage i would not even want to touch
and thanks for the geography lesson magellan , i know wtf victoria is
/its part of the joke! but i guess it went over your head
i couldent give two shits about what you think of me or my background so i feel no need to elaborate on my work history or my past
just know im in my 50s and retired
/how about you big boy? whats your background? ever go to school or accomplish anything of worth
...
balls in your court
you think your doing your part by sorting your trash? you are as mucha part of the problem as any polluter

Don't worry I knew you were lying about any sort of scientific endeavours from your non acceptance of even the most basic evidence!

It's typical behaviour to lie to stop yourself looking silly.
The old I don't give a shit about what you think is a common one when being caught out too!
It's one of Arselicks favourite retorts when hes looking stupid!

 

[arsekick]

From some rubbish Porky posted

"Carbon dioxide causes about 20 percent of Earth’s greenhouse effect; water vapor accounts for about 50 percent; and clouds account for 25 percent. The rest is caused by small particles (aerosols) and minor greenhouse gases like methane."

Humans contribution is about 3 % of the Co2's 20% greenhouse effect, all Co2 = 3c out of the 15c global temps, "man made" Co2 contributes .09 c so we are spending trillions of dollars to wipe .09c off global temps.

You wouldn't even notice the difference

 

[arsekick]

Another piece of rubbish posted by Porky

"Another reason carbon dioxide is important in the Earth system is that it dissolves into the ocean like the fizz in a can of soda. It reacts with water molecules, producing carbonic acid and lowering the ocean's pH (raising its acidity). Since the start of the Industrial Revolution, the pH of the ocean's surface waters has dropped from 8.21 to 8.10. This drop in pH is called"

"Natural increases in carbon dioxide concentrations have periodically warmed Earth’s temperature during ice age cycles over the past million years or more. The warm episodes (interglacials) began with a small increase in incoming sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere due to variations in Earth’s orbit around the Sun and its axis of rotation. (For more details, see the “Milankovitch cycles and ice ages” section of our Climate change: incoming sunlight article.) That little bit of extra sunlight caused a little bit of warming. As the oceans warmed, they outgassed carbon dioxide—like a can of soda going flat in the heat of a summer day. The extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere greatly amplified the initial, solar-driven warming."

Record ocean temps and Co2 is dissolving into oceans making them "acidic"

But a little bit of sunlight at the end of a glacial period and the oceans are outgassing Co2 while they are still relatively cold compared to today.

 

[Porky82]

From some rubbish Porky posted

"Carbon dioxide causes about 20 percent of Earth’s greenhouse effect; water vapor accounts for about 50 percent; and clouds account for 25 percent. The rest is caused by small particles (aerosols) and minor greenhouse gases like methane."

Humans contribution is about 3 % of the Co2's 20% greenhouse effect, all Co2 = 3c out of the 15c global temps, "man made" Co2 contributes .09 c so we are spending trillions of dollars to wipe .09c off global temps.

You wouldn't even notice the difference

Another piece of rubbish posted by Porky

"Another reason carbon dioxide is important in the Earth system is that it dissolves into the ocean like the fizz in a can of soda. It reacts with water molecules, producing carbonic acid and lowering the ocean's pH (raising its acidity). Since the start of the Industrial Revolution, the pH of the ocean's surface waters has dropped from 8.21 to 8.10. This drop in pH is called"

"Natural increases in carbon dioxide concentrations have periodically warmed Earth’s temperature during ice age cycles over the past million years or more. The warm episodes (interglacials) began with a small increase in incoming sunlight in the Northern Hemisphere due to variations in Earth’s orbit around the Sun and its axis of rotation. (For more details, see the “Milankovitch cycles and ice ages” section of our Climate change: incoming sunlight article.) That little bit of extra sunlight caused a little bit of warming. As the oceans warmed, they outgassed carbon dioxide—like a can of soda going flat in the heat of a summer day. The extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere greatly amplified the initial, solar-driven warming."

Record ocean temps and Co2 is dissolving into oceans making them "acidic"

But a little bit of sunlight at the end of a glacial period and the oceans are outgassing Co2 while they are still relatively cold compared to today.

So you've done some research to counter this research have you professor Arselick or its as usual your non educated opinion that's it bullshit??

 

[arsekick]

So you've do some research to counter this research have you professor Arselick or its as usual your non educated opinion that's it bullshit??

No research needed, you're the one supplying the "facts" do you dispute what you posted ?

How about you correct what I wrote, explain why its wrong

Man made Co2 contributes .09c to the global temps, right or wrong ?
when the oceans warm up they outgas's Co2, right or wrong ?

Balls in your court Porky

 

[Dime]

I wonder if the same people who push the green trip ever go on a cruise ship holiday or a vacation involving a plane trip to another country. ? A large cruise ship can carry as much as 2 million gallons of fuel and burns 250 tons of fuel a day on average.I don't hear the government calling them out, I just hear them telling me I better pony up more money for taxes. I don't feel so bad about my Truck anymore.

 

[Dime]

So you've do some research to counter this research have you professor Arselick or its as usual your non educated opinion that's it bullshit??

Why do you always resort to insults? Don't you have anything else? Don't you see how it ruins your credibility ?

 

[Porky82]

No research needed, you're the one supplying the "facts" do you dispute what you posted ?

How about you correct what I wrote, explain why its wrong

Man made Co2 contributes .09c to the global temps, right or wrong ?
when the oceans warm up they outgas's Co2, right or wrong ?

Balls in your court Porky

I put it up, you who has nothing but your opinion said it's wrong and I have to prove it right!
Fuck you really are just being an idiot!

 

[Porky82]

Why do you always resort to insults? Don't you have anything else? Don't you see how it ruins your credibility ?

What arselick or calling him uneducated which he is?

 

[Dime]

What arselick or calling him uneducated which he is?

Are you someone who gets a kick out of embarrasing others or do you just get satisfaction out of your feeble attempts to belittle people? Do you feel insecure and inadequate? Your posts make me think you do.What is your gain when you do this, a hope someone will click the like button, or the person you insult will feel bad, or perhaps it makes you feel superior because you know deep inside you don't measure up? It doesn't sound like you would make a very loyal friend. You initiate conflict and try to demean every time someone disagrees with you. You don't seriously believe you're intimidating do you? Lose the hate buddy,it's not healthy and it gets contagious, this is a discussion and people have different views.

 

[arsekick]

I put it up, you who has nothing but your opinion said it's wrong and I have to prove it right!
Fuck you really are just being an idiot!

If what I said was wrong then what you posted is wrong lol

According to what you posted Co2 causes 20% of the warming, "man made" Co2 is about 3% of all Co2
Do the math yourself and see what you come up with.

As far as the oceans outgassing Co2 when the temps rise from the end of a glacial period that was from what you posted, is it wrong ?

They also claim the oceans are absorbing Co2 ATM when there are record ocean temps.

Which one is it ??

Remember you are the believer here not me, surly you have looked into it and not just blindly believing what you are told.

 

[pop_rocks]

I wonder if the same people who push the green trip ever go on a cruise ship holiday or a vacation involving a plane trip to another country. ? A large cruise ship can carry as much as 2 million gallons of fuel and burns 250 tons of fuel a day on average.I don't hear the government calling them out, I just hear them telling me I better pony up more money for taxes. I don't feel so bad about my Truck anymore.

ask gretta and the plane flying private boat floating environmentalists/ polititians~!
i was going to add @Porky82 name to that list but he dosent do shit, unless the gov tells his to
/way to go hero
@Dime
who dosent like a nice truck? it gets me around and can haul all kinds of shit
/plus for captains class members i have a buffet in the back!

 

[Porky82]

If what I said was wrong then what you posted is wrong lol

According to what you posted Co2 causes 20% of the warming, "man made" Co2 is about 3% of all Co2
Do the math yourself and see what you come up with.

As far as the oceans outgassing Co2 when the temps rise from the end of a glacial period that was from what you posted, is it wrong ?

They also claim the oceans are absorbing Co2 ATM when there are record ocean temps.

Which one is it ??

Remember you are the believer here not me, surly you have looked into it and not just blindly believing what you are told.

This not religion its science I don't need to believe anything I accept the science for what it is.
You don't accept it and continue to try to make statements that are just stupid! As you have done for years on here and TSE!
Believe is very different to acceptance!