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H3ad goes Coco

Fresh Start

Fresh Start

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Question:
Is there any reason to up the ratio of 6/9?

Curious because:
Lucas would use the 1/2 ratio of 5ml micro and 10ml bloom for low intensity lighting and 8ml- 16ml for high intensity. It seems as though the head formula is an adaptation of the 5ml-10ml for low light situations..

i was thinking that if the ratio was kept the same (roughly a 2/3 fixed ratio for heads formula) then upping the dosage of nutes would be okay, say to 7ml-10.5ml (?)

Lets see what you thinks. Peace
 
Mountain High

Mountain High

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the reason not to up the concentration would be to only feed what the plant needs, not too much or not too little. this will make the end product much better for a smooth smoke. try it out and let us know how it goes. H3AD has said to stick with the 6/9 and if they show signs of hunger then you use less water to raise the concentration. i personally dont see a reason to adjust unless they show signs of unhappiness.
 
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Rushoe

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Yeah I am using it right now on a c99 and seems to be liking it and I love that u don't have to ph if you use Ro water along with 5mill magical per gallon (US)..I wish some one here that has used the 6/9 for the real nute whores like the chems and og's can confirm that it dose work I would think it would work with some tweaks like 10 mill calmag and lil more mirco and bloom but I am not sure... I use the 5/10 plus 1 tsp magical for all my mothers under flors.....And that seems to work well .....So how about it anyone know??????And 2mrw I pick up my 4x4x6 sun hut along with a 600 hps gonna run some green crack and c99 hempy buckets....I will be using the 6/9 along with kool bloom liquid and powder I know head don't use it but I want I love that stuff makes them nugs nice and fat.
 
Fresh Start

Fresh Start

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What if one wanted to sacrifice the smooth toke for a higher yield, for instance? (personally I prefer smoothness over yield but for sake of argument)

I think that the theory is as follows; keeping the elements in the formula in balance (6/9) will allow nutrient availability without lockout. My question is, would it be possible to raise the ppm of the formula while keeping balance (ph, npk ratio) to achieve an influence in yield? Fatter buds?

I mean, lucas ran the 8/16 for high intensity for a reason. Right?

And I would also like to hear from people who are running the head formula in a recirculating rez.
 
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Rushoe

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Fresh Start said:
What if one wanted to sacrifice the smooth toke for a higher yield, for instance? (personally I prefer smoothness over yield but for sake of argument)

I think that the theory is as follows; keeping the elements in the formula in balance (6/9) will allow nutrient availability without lockout. My question is, would it be possible to raise the ppm of the formula while keeping balance (ph, npk ratio) to achieve an influence in yield? Fatter buds?

I mean, lucas ran the 8/16 for high intensity for a reason. Right?

And I would also like to hear from people who are running the head formula in a recirculating rez.
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If you go to http://lucasformula.com/ I think it gives u a lil run down that the 8/16 would not work as well as the 6/9 I am not sure check it out.....
 
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YosemiteSam

Lucas was all about recirculating and not changing the res out. When you do that managing the res becomes at least as hard as managing the plants. For example, higher P is needed just to maintain pH...far more than just the needs of the plant.

H3ad's formula is for dtw...no reservoir management concerns...only plant needs...therefore, the lower concentrations/different ratios.

Dogs/Kushes do seem to need additional calmag...depending on the N needs of ones plants calmag can be used in place of some of the micro or, if the plants will tolerate higher N it can be added as an addition.
 
whadeezlrg

whadeezlrg

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anyone know of a conversion calculator/chart for running the same basic npk ratios with house and garden nutes? aquaflakes
 
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Rushoe

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I would like to give a special thanx to Head on coming up with this 6/9 and sharing it with all of us I am using it outside in coco hempy buckets and its working very well I have never had better looking plants its even working for my Outlaw Og as well as my sugenites pure kush my BG C99 and a few others I cant think of atm.... I had these things on 24/7 flours cuz they where mothers they got to big for inside so put them outside and looks like they all kicked in to flower well two are my c99 and Outlaw Og anyways...Just wanted to give some props you way HEAD.....I will be using this in my new 4x4x6 sunhut with a 600 gonna run nothing but the 6/9 along with some koolbloom....I asked around so much if this would work on OG's and came up short every time so I had to do it myself and shit is looking bomb....
 
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Ziggaro

Great thread :)
This is my first time using the Head ratio
I use 5/7.5 though..
Actually it seems to be right on the brink of what my girls can handle under the 600
And I don't have anything to measure 1 ml :)
Thankyou Head!
 
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Cousin Cleatis

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YosemiteSam said:
Lucas was all about recirculating and not changing the res out. When you do that managing the res becomes at least as hard as managing the plants. For example, higher P is needed just to maintain pH...far more than just the needs of the plant.

H3ad's formula is for dtw...no reservoir management concerns...only plant needs...therefore, the lower concentrations/different ratios.

Dogs/Kushes do seem to need additional calmag...depending on the N needs of ones plants calmag can be used in place of some of the micro or, if the plants will tolerate higher N it can be added as an addition.
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I'm starting to run the H&G line, my question is RO water that much better than water sititng out for a day with an air stone? I heard if you do use RO water make sure to add Cal Mag. Seems like Canna is ok w hard water but the H&G feeding schedule says to us RO only. RO gets expensive too. Hopefully I'm good w my air stone and drip clean. Thanks for any clarification on this subject!!!
 
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StrictlyGateway

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Cousin Cleatis said:
I'm starting to run the H&G line, my question is RO water that much better than water sititng out for a day with an air stone?
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the air stone method is sufficient to de-chlorinate the water...that's it. the RO will remove far more impurities than just the chlorine/chloramine. so, i guess it would depend. if you're starting with city water, you're probably only concerned with the chlorine issue, but i don't know.
the only way for a fert company to predict the effects of their products is to know what your starting water chemistry is, the only way for them to do that is to start with RO water. i've never found RO to be absolutely necessary, except in well water situations....but that's just my experience.

Cousin Cleatis said:
I heard if you do use RO water make sure to add Cal Mag. Seems like Canna is ok w hard water but the H&G feeding schedule says to us RO only. RO gets expensive too. Hopefully I'm good w my air stone and drip clean. Thanks for any clarification on this subject!!!
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while i agree with your thinking that RO will make the cal/mag more necessary...H&G is high in Calcium (~11%) compared to other brands. my inclination would be to add a mag supplement. HOWEVER, a buddy of mine recently added cal.mag to his H&G regiment and is very pleased with the results (city water, no filter at all). cal/mag also has some Nitrogen in it, so it's possible that the H&G line benefits from the extra N as well as the mag (and maybe the cal). cal-mag may be the answer for you, or you may explore a mag and/or nitrogen supplement.
 
Thundurkel

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dodo5678 said:
is there a reason the cannastats calc wouldn't work for you? there is also a excel spreadsheet version on the site i like better.

-dodo :joint:
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Well the thing is this, H&G doesn't list the Calcium and other trace elements so it's impossible to figure out. I tried to get them to tell me what my Cal % is in my Aqua Flakes and no luck hearing back yet..
 
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Cousin Cleatis

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StrictlyGateway said:
the air stone method is sufficient to de-chlorinate the water...that's it. the RO will remove far more impurities than just the chlorine/chloramine. so, i guess it would depend. if you're starting with city water, you're probably only concerned with the chlorine issue, but i don't know.
the only way for a fert company to predict the effects of their products is to know what your starting water chemistry is, the only way for them to do that is to start with RO water. i've never found RO to be absolutely necessary, except in well water situations....but that's just my experience.



while i agree with your thinking that RO will make the cal/mag more necessary...H&G is high in Calcium (~11%) compared to other brands. my inclination would be to add a mag supplement. HOWEVER, a buddy of mine recently added cal.mag to his H&G regiment and is very pleased with the results (city water, no filter at all). cal/mag also has some Nitrogen in it, so it's possible that the H&G line benefits from the extra N as well as the mag (and maybe the cal). cal-mag may be the answer for you, or you may explore a mag and/or nitrogen supplement.
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Thanks Strictly!! Thinkin RO will get to expensive. Just gonna let my water sit out w/ an air stone. Cheers!
 
dodo5678

dodo5678

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what about this

what about this

Thundurkel said:
Well the thing is this, H&G doesn't list the Calcium and other trace elements so it's impossible to figure out. I tried to get them to tell me what my Cal % is in my Aqua Flakes and no luck hearing back yet..
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was a little curious about this comment so i did a little searching. have you already seen the entries at the California Department of Food and Agriculture's website?

they had the following 4 entries for your H&G Aqua Flakes, but not sure what one you are using:

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/fert2.asp?ID=9204
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/fert2.asp?ID=9205
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/fert2.asp?ID=12146
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/fert2.asp?ID=12147

Here is the search page if you want to run your own search:
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/


-dodo :joint:
 
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StrictlyGateway

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Thundurkel said:
Well the thing is this, H&G doesn't list the Calcium and other trace elements so it's impossible to figure out. I tried to get them to tell me what my Cal % is in my Aqua Flakes and no luck hearing back yet..
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yea, i don't like that H&G doesn't put shit on their bottles.

i called and emailed Humboldt Wholesale (us distributor) and got an email back. that's how i know the 11% figure....that's for the coco formula. you should be able to track somebody down at HW.
 
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prophecy

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Grat3fulh3ad said:
So... when I was using a modified lucas formula... my nutrient profile when growing in promix was:
N 130
P 93
K 163
Mg 64
S 43
Ca 130

By mixing 8ml/gal micro and 14ml/gal bloom and watering with plain water every other watering...
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Can we divide by 2 and water ever water with nutes? Any pictures of the plants that you were feeding like this?
 
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