GROW CONTEST WINNER: Chief Bigsmoke's Perpetual Groove and Nerdatorium

[handyandy]

This is the Best Thread I Have Ever Read!!!
Thanks for ALL this COOL Information

 

[chief bigsmoke]

Thanks Everyone!

Oh and I found something for my wishlist for Santa this year... A Vertical LED to replace the 600w hps in my vertical donut.

 

[silver hawaiian]

It's like a confused-looking traffic light!

Congrats on the win chief!

 

[ClackamasCootz]

Thanks CC

The explanation really broke it down for me. I remember my HS biology teacher explaining the concept that all things are essentially one-purpose-driven -- to reproduce.

So if I'm understanding your post correctly, once a plant "feels" (via the application of this-or-that) that it may be knocked up, it hulks up its defense gimmick, ..

? Pardon my redcneckian regurg.

Anyway, I really appreciate your input and your attention.

silver hawaiian

Sort of. Not really. Kind of. In a way.

Here's a better illustration: the esteemed grower, chief bigsmoke, was given recognition for his skills for a journal from a couple of months back if I understand the award. So this means that he obviously had his garden dialed-in from my perspective. So he begins using aloe vera and is impressed with the benefit that he sees in his garden.

So aloe vera must have some powerful compounds (which it does) to make enough of a difference on a garden that was already running at an optimum.

That's how I evaluate materials in my raised beds and MMJ gardens - I feel that my program is dialed-in so a 'new something' has to demonstrate clearly and concisely that it's meeting a heretofore unmet need.

Aloe vera does that just like kelp meal, neem meal, crab meal, alfalfa - as far as 'nutes' (I just love typing that! LMAO) - kelp meal & alfalfa are pretty much even. Same with Neem meal. It's in the specific compounds (Secondary Metabolite) that make this one different from that one. Neem meal, for example, contains over 360 compounds and about 110 of those are not duplicated in the rest of the plant world other than its cousin, the Karanja tree.

Same with kelp - you can't get Alginic acid from Alfalfa and you won't find several of the Auxins (hormones) in Kelp that you do with Alfalfa.

Diversity covers the bases from my perspective.

HTH

CC

 

[handyandy]

Does Soybean meal seem like a good thing to include with Alfafa, kelp, crabshell meal, neem seed meal. all added to my fully ammended soil?

Current
Soil content:
1 Bale Promix HP
25 lb Earthworm castings
25 lb Vermi compost
10 gal coars Peerlite
8 cups bone meal
4 cups blood meal
3 cups kelp meal
1 cup Alfafa
1 2/3 cup epsom salt
3-4 cups dolamite lime

I want to get rid of the bone meal and blood meal. Would Bat guanos do the job or are there better things??

What would be the best way to include the "meals" in a recycled soil?


One more question. I have not been weeding my garden. It seems like my tomatoe plants like having grass and clover and weeds growing arond them. Any one else see better yeild with NOT weeding?

 

[chief bigsmoke]

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You guys out there wanna see a sexy lady in the shower?.....






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oh yea... hehe

the silver kushs and the rest of the flock received a nice shower today. These are showing great improvement every new cycle I play with this cut. Everything about this cut is clean.. easy to trim, tall and sexy, and a crisp and clean high that will take you up and up in to the clouds... but beware, don't tear your mind on a jagged sky.. because eventually you will have take a nap after enough munchies have been consumed.. nom nom nom and for people with Crohn's eating is good.

Since this cut doesn't really resemble a kush that we have ever seen she calls it the "Green Queen" for its beautiful lime green appearance with silver accents upon curing... now I'm a little "rougher" around he edges and I call it "The Priest" because it can save you.. but it can also fuc* you, if not aware of its powers. I'm a horrible person.

We are usually against renaming cuts but since it will never leave our garden we can make our own rules.

 

[yortbogey]

this thread is just rich, and full of info,insight, and individuality.....one~big~LUV

 

[BCMaster]

In the shower? NICE MUFF!!!

 

[silver hawaiian]

silver hawaiian

Sort of. Not really. Kind of. In a way.

Here's a better illustration: the esteemed grower, chief bigsmoke, was given recognition for his skills for a journal from a couple of months back if I understand the award. So this means that he obviously had his garden dialed-in from my perspective. So he begins using aloe vera and is impressed with the benefit that he sees in his garden.

So aloe vera must have some powerful compounds (which it does) to make enough of a difference on a garden that was already running at an optimum.

That's how I evaluate materials in my raised beds and MMJ gardens - I feel that my program is dialed-in so a 'new something' has to demonstrate clearly and concisely that it's meeting a heretofore unmet need.

Aloe vera does that just like kelp meal, neem meal, crab meal, alfalfa - as far as 'nutes' (I just love typing that! LMAO) - kelp meal & alfalfa are pretty much even. Same with Neem meal. It's in the specific compounds (Secondary Metabolite) that make this one different from that one. Neem meal, for example, contains over 360 compounds and about 110 of those are not duplicated in the rest of the plant world other than its cousin, the Karanja tree.

Same with kelp - you can't get Alginic acid from Alfalfa and you won't find several of the Auxins (hormones) in Kelp that you do with Alfalfa.

Diversity covers the bases from my perspective.

HTH

CC

Sorry CC - I think we got off track, each with our Q and A.

I meant the whole "pregnant-thinking-plant hulks up its defenses to protect its soon-to-be offspring" specifically in terms of the mechanism by which the mint teas & foliars work.

In that sense, was I pickin' up what you're puttin' down?

I definitely understand the bit (conceptually, anyway) about the varying secondary metabolites from each organic "source" in the mixture.. You're too full of good information, CC.

I really ought to look further into aloe, speaking of.

 

[chief bigsmoke]

Chikity check this out SH.. and type in Aloe Vera or ANY other would be plant.

You'll get a big list of confusing names with values beside them, but you can then further look up these names and find out what yer workin' with...

Dr. Dukes Phytochmeical and Ethnobotanical Databases

 

[silver hawaiian]

Chief, so sorry to double-dip you on the same question. Don't think I got an answer last time, but maybe I did and missed it.. ?

You'd mentioned in one post that the raw aloe vera was far superior to an extract..

And then in a later post, I got the gist that they were fairly similar..

Can you elaborate a bit? In the interest of just old fashioned-ness, I like the idea of harvesting raw aloe.. What's the demand? In other words.. Let's say I buy a decent-sized aloe at the store. Will I be harvesting it for use faster than it'll grow back?

 

[chief bigsmoke]

double dip triple dip everybody dip dip...


no worries. I'll keep my answer short and sweet because the info regarding the quality of my purchased concentrate was provided by Cootz I believe.

My simple understanding is that when it comes to plants like Aloe Vera, nothing beats the real thing. I have no evidence towards this, but I believe that a certain amount of "stuff" must be lost during the manufacturing or rendering process. Making certain products better than others. Depending how much they work the product.

For instance, I have a big plant that I can sustainably take small cuts from every two weeks. But now I rotate between fresh and concentrate to make the source last longer. I believe if you buy a medium sized aloe vera and provide it lots of light it will no doubt provide you with enough goods to make you smile. Now if you're a little Aloe vera crazy like me... then you might think about buying two plants or buy a bottle of concentrate to keep you going. Plus it tastes like crap but its very very beneficial for humans and plants. An ounce a day they call for...

 

[silver hawaiian]

I need to go shopping tomorrow.

Also, chief, do you have a link to that bitchin' vert LED?

 

[chief bigsmoke]

Does Soybean meal seem like a good thing to include with Alfafa, kelp, crabshell meal, neem seed meal. all added to my fully ammended soil?


I want to get rid of the bone meal and blood meal. Would Bat guanos do the job or are there better things??

What would be the best way to include the "meals" in a recycled soil?


One more question. I have not been weeding my garden. It seems like my tomato plants like having grass and clover and weeds growing arond them. Any one else see better yeild with NOT weeding?

- No experience with soybean meal. simply because I question the soy source. over 3/4 of the worlds soy is GMO nowadays and I don't have enough assurance that I'm getting the good stuff.

- good idea ditching the blood and bone meals - things like rock phosphate,alfalfa/kelp, greensand and maybe fish meal may interest you instead. I myself am still testing different ingredients. Key thing to do is recycle your soil. Because it takes time for a lot of these nutrients to become available. Everything seems to get better with time.

- I have a simple amendment program that I do when I prepare new pots.
1. The switch from smallest pot size to 1 gallon: add 50% Premium Black Gold Potting Soil and 50% recycled Soil
2. The move to 2 gallons pots get: 50:50 soil + kelp, alfalfa, neem meal and castings
3. At transplanting the 3 gallon blooming pots receive the 50:50 soil mix and a small amount of mushroom compost, greensand, rock phosphate glacial rock dust, alfalfa, kelp, lime and castings at the very bottom of the container.

I want to try and keep most of the nutes toward the bottom of the container in the final size, so the first couple pot sizes don't get many nutes to encourage the roots to grow towards the nutes at the bottom of the largest pot.

That's just the way I do it meow.. it may be wrong, but that how it gets done.

 

[CannabisTHC]

This is an amazing thread, I can't believe this is the first time I've seen it, I've only read the first post too. Can't wait to get into it.

 

[shmalphy]

Aloe reproduces quite rapidly, so ask your friends if they have any, and see if they have "babies" They are a common houseplant, I have 13 of them now and haven't bought one yet. I just got 5 more clay pots to get some more from a friend tomorrow. I like having plenty for my whole garden. Next project is going to be making shelves to put them all on in the winter. I prefer working with fresh plants, because I grow them in my soil too, and I feel that helps the potency. I hit the aloe with leftover alfalfa, the comfrey with nettle tea, the nettle with bubblehash water etc.

 

[silver hawaiian]

..and just so I'm clear, when I'm harvesting, I just snap/cut the leaf off right near the base, right? Is there any benefit to taking half a leaf?

 

[chief bigsmoke]

bonus info

bonus info

http://www.neemuses.com/neem_cake.php

Neem Cake is an organic by product of Neem Seed Oil production. Neem Cake is used as a natural fertiliser. The quality of the neem cake is determined by the amount of oil left in it, and also the process by which the extraction was done.
The Physical form of the Oil Neem Cake is in Powder or Flakes Form.

Mode of Action:

1. Neem Cake is active in increasing the growth, leafage, results in rich blossoming,strengthening the roots and improving the general appearance of fruits & vegetables.

2. While applied in conjuction with any Nitrogenous fertilisers, slows the conversion of Nitrogenous compounds into Nitrogen gas , thus making Nitrogen available to the plants for a longer duration.

3. It prevents and treats ailment disorders of plants due to lack or imbalance of Nutritious and trace elements.

4. It accelerates root development and overall plant growth and protects the plant from Nematodes and white ants.

5. It is a totally organic plant food which increases productivity and soil fertility.

6. It has antifungal properties and highly suitable for application in Greenhouses.

METHOD OF APPLICATION:

Neem cake mixed with soil on and around the roots of the plants, Vegetables, bushes and trees, will have a remarkable result in the improvement of the plant immunity.

Neem Cake can be applied safely in all cultures, fruit-bearing, garden products, Melon, cotton, tobacco, Vineyard and Flowers.

EFFECT OF NEEM CAKE APPLIED TO VARIOUS CROPS:

ORANGE: Controlling Citrus Nematodes.
TOMATO: Controlling Tomato Seedling Nematodes.
TOBACCO: Controlling RootKnot Nematodes.
RICE(with Urea): Increasing N Uptake, slow release of Fertiliser Urea.Regulating rate of Nitrification of Urea.

TYPICAL ANALYSIS :

NITROGEN (N) : 2.0 - 2.5 %
PHOSPHORUS (P) : 0.6 - 1.4 %
POTASSIUM (K) : 1.2 - 1.6 %

 

[chief bigsmoke]

..and just so I'm clear, when I'm harvesting, I just snap/cut the leaf off right near the base, right? Is there any benefit to taking half a leaf?

I just snip the ends of the leaves with a clean pair of scissors so I have a nice 1/4cup filet

Also.. here is the link for the vertical LED... better start saving. hehe. Once I'm ready I will approach my manufacturer in chin chin and see how much cheaper will it be to skip the middleman

 

[Ohmless]

I just caught up on the whole thread. wow. thanks for having these discussions with us.

What is your total wattage of each type of light in your garden eh? This new led is the highest output led I have seen, not that I shopped for them or anything. Exciting

I had used chitosan generic pills as a top dressing and I thought it was of a benefit and I couldn't beat the dollar store price.