Greenhouse Seeds releasing "old school skunk"

[Guest]

My option and i could be totally wrong. He's jumping the gun on a few breeder's that "AREA" working on some legit "RKS" and shanti is one of them. As for the Trainwreck, don't get me started. I was lucky enough to get the cut for Dr.Jay and god rest his soul. I passed it around to members here and then they did the same. There is no way in hell i would trust his Trainwreck seeds. The only person that i knew of that did a good S1 was Jojo and as far as i know. He's not around here or posting he is. GH, would either have to self, or cross to something and then back cross and it wouldn't be the same. There still would be the genes and odd pheno that would pop up from the cross. It would take along time to work it out and i doubt they've had the time to do just that. Again, my option on the subject and like i said before. If i'm wrong. I will Apologize to GH and everyone here in open forum.
Take care,
BG

 

[tiedye420]

fallbrook roadkill...
The original breeder was killed for his crop in 1980 or 81...Greedy bastards.
Could be a rumor, but I haven't seen anything that wasn't sandbagged ,from that era since...I grew her out a few times in the 80's...she might have had 10 or 20 % sativa at most. There were those who swore she was pure indica, many actually.
One of the roadkill nickname's in san diego county was "puree" or "the pure".
Nothing against sam, been anxious to try his work a long time and I have a lot of respect...I'd like to see what greenhouse has to offer as well. I'll try anything called skunk in my search for her...
what about swazi skunk from africa?
Anyone tried slamming her with afghani?
Who was is that said "there are no new strains only recombinations of old genepools"
Therein lies the key....L.O.L> now try every thing under the sun...And meditate on which will make her..
i'm sold the idea she was A true breeding afghaniXkindu kush myself.
whatever
tiedye
happy recombinations folks.. (he he he- gingerly checking things up the sleeve and chuckling to himself)

 

[tiedye420]

TW just needs a recombination to it's thai parent IMHO....
again- whatever.
tie

 

[tiedye420]

The TW cuts I have seen recently are regressed and crappy..
I did however recieve a TW cut from the old CW that was superb...
thinner leaves , highschool kids got her.... I moved since...
Tw should actually look like this


or this


So i used a culled "Like thai" creeper pheno sativa..

 

[SmokeRings]

Gypsy should boycott known scammers by refusing to stock their seeds

 

[Guest423]

if i was a seed company i would never mention rks until i knew forsure what i had was rks...the real skunk....the stuff that smells like a real skunk....anything less is a failure.

 

[Guest]

Well, I imagine it won't be too long before someone grows out these beans. I can't grow anything real stanky and have passed up on some strains. Some of the strains I have are pretty funky though, one cross that I made (Blockhead x Doubledog) is starting to get more stinky than I'd prefer. Oh well, spring in New England, the smell of skunk is pretty common.

Last year I was coming home from a bar pretty drunk and I was walking down a bike trail. I had to piss real bad and as soon as I got away from the lights I stopped on the side of the trail to take a piss. It was really dark and I had to REALLY piss. I unzipped and was just about to let fly and not six feet away I saw a flash of white as a skunk's tail stood straight up assuming the firing position. Now I might not be the brightest bulb but one thing that I do know is that you never get in a pissing contest with a skunk. Thank God he held his fire, I pleaded with him to be cool as I backed slowly away. If I had gotten sprayed it would have been a real bitch kitty to get rid of the smell which I would have carried home. For those of you that don't have skunks where they live, skunk stink is some nasty shit that will just attach itself to anything. Anybody who's ever had a dog that got sprayed can attest to just how difficult getting rid of the stunk can be. I really don't care for the smell of skunk but being from a town where we used to have dairy farms I gotta admit that I like the smell of cowshit in the spring. I don't think that I want to smoke something that smells like cowshit but I would smoke love to smoke something again that smells like a skunk!

 

[Guest423]

lol nice story...good thing that skunk didn't spray you or you'd have to take a bath in tomato soup to get the stink away.....when i do get some rks i'm gonna have to put some tomato soup in my filters just to be safe lol.

 

[Farmer John]

I've smoked a fair amount of TW and must say that it is a miracle if these guys get the real deal...lol..there was some TW for sale at Amnesia last april, only the looks were the same but the taste was 100% chemmy shit. I just dont get it, Cheese..well, Brightside had some of the real Cheese ( 80's Sk#1 ) and I really wonder if BBCheese or GHS fem Cheese are anything like that one, I dont believe they have anything to do with the real deal, SSH is a good example...and now, TW of my memories...sigh...you freaks.

 

[Guest]

i have just harvested some stinky rks ak47 and when i open the jars my mom say shit that stuff smells like a dead skunk.the cure is making it more sour smelling and sweeter but take it out and pepol who smoke weed can smell it through the 2 layers of baggie one bag will not hold the smell back.

 

[Ganico]

I'm from the south, and although I'm only in my early 20's we used to get skunk all the time even just 5 or so years ago. I never heard the name "rks" or knew what a big deal it was until I came here, didn't even know it was an actual strain. I wish I had saved some beans back then, haha.

But what I really miss was this herb that used to have a real oniony smell, anyone else from the south remember anything like that? Real light green, when you broke it down it smelled like onions (well more like a wild onion patch or armpits actually) with a hint of lemon. Real clear high, and it STANK, pretty much with the intensity of the skunk but didn't linger forever like the skunk. (You could smoke the skunky shit in a car or something and it'd smell like it 2 days if you just let it sit. It was amazingly funky. )


Anyway, real skunk is NOT "sweet", it smells like a true-to-life skunk. Like they whipped a cage full of skunks with weed plants.

 

[beancounter]

i am about 90% sure the onion weed you are talking about is Shark Shock, or Great White Shark... that is identical to the description i've heard about GWS/SS from more than one person..

U can get it from Mr. Nice..

 

[Ganico]

Think so? This stuff went for like $75 a oz and was fluffy with real thin leaves, it wasn't at all what I think of as "indica" especially the high, it wasn't couchlocky,etc. Maybe it could have been I guess

 

[zamalito]

Ganico, I'm thinking it was a domestic or caribean/guyanese grown afghan mexican hybrid. I'm not saying the hybridization was necesarily done outside of mexico but could've been. Some of those old mexican lines really could get a pretty spicey oniony or metallic. I even think there's a strong possibility that the original seeds for the rks that was sold as donkey dick/virginia skunk could've come from mexico originally and was a mexican made hybrid either from the gulf coast or one of the northern states that possibly included chocolate thai and I'm not even certain it had indica in it but most definitely included a mexican line from michoacan or north if it was from the pacific coast but could've been from elsewhere. The leaves were much too narrow and the calyxes much too large to have been from guerrero or oaxaca at least without thai influence. The reason why I am certain it is from mexican origin is that it lost all of its flavor when grown indoors. Seriously, it would be the most skunky pungent herb you've ever seen when grown outside in the heat and humidity but indoors it didn't even smell like a skunk. I've seen this quality in many mexican and mexican x afghan hybrids. I even have a bunch of seeds of an acapulco x oaxacan/parvati that produces the same smell indoors as the donkey dick/virginia skunk but outside it doesn't smell skunky thought it smells much better than it does inside.


Bc, do you know is shark shock and great white shark are the same thing? In the decriptions gws from ghs is a superskunk female x white widow male and the ss from mns is a skunk 1 x white widow. They were both bred by shanti originally so I didn't know most of the strains that mns has are slightly different from their ghs counterpart like el nino and la nina. I'm not sure what to make of the whole ghs mns rivalry. When mns first started they used to get along eventhough their product lines were pretty much the same except things like using a skunk 1 instead of a super skunk and calling it shark shock instead of gws or selling black widow and medicine man instead of white widow and white rhino. Yet at the same time they gave supe silver haze and neville's haze the same names. So that really confused me. Up until recently I even thought they were connected to some degree during the first year or two of ghs. Then when mns opened the swiss facility they started talking shit about each other for whatever reason.

 

[Beetlepumpr]

Bull Pookey

 

[Ganico]

Zam- Thanks, great info. That sounds more like likely to me.
Do you know of any strains available that are similar to that? Maybe something from BSC? Or were you saying those f3's you were telling me about have a similar aroma/taste?

 

[DocLeaf]

I am very sure that people here have a shitload more genetics than most of the commercial breeders/seedco's...

True says,,, many recreational breeders also carry better genetics

In reference to the RKS thing: McDonald's recently noticed that bagels sell well at breakfast. Subsequently they placed the 'McBagel' on the menu :wink:

peace all
dLeaf

 

[tiedye420]

FJ
100 and counting.. In about a year and a half, I'll have to start back over what I have....
Unless i work some of the older stuff in now.. he he he...
tiedye

 

[Capt. Crip]

Zam,
if you stop back in...Do you know about what year that the Skunk/indicas were introduced to Mexico?

 

[DarkGreen]

finding the skunk we used to all know

finding the skunk we used to all know

My last post in the RKS thread, I thought that skunk was mostly mexican, at least the sativa Skunk. I still think that the rancid skunk (dark green golf balls) that has a narcotic buzz is at least 65% indica.

The seeds that we have today are often of older varieities that were renamed. It is seldom that breeders come up with an entirely "new" strain.(1) The thing with Skunk strains is that new companies will often just cross two known strains together, and then give it a new name. Look at how many names the cross of Northern Lights x Skunk had. I can name a few NL x skunk crosses like M39, Aurora Borealis, Northern Skunk, Americano, Original Highway Delight, and Shiva Skunk. There are a bunch of Afghan x Skunk crosses (with variations) like Afghanica, Super Skunk, Critical Mass, Mazar, Devil, Shit(listed as), and Super Afghani. This is what complicates finding the true skunk and other earlier varieities. This is why it makes it hard to find the true roadkill skunk.

Many mj smokers first experiences with growing cannabis was with imported bagseed from Mexico and Colombia. I read that Mexican varieties thrived better in the outdoors in the United States better than their Colombian/Thai equatorial varieties. So most people grew mexican satvias. However, equatorial strains are often much more potent. So early breeders would cross early maturing Mexican and Jamaican landraces with the super potent Colombian, Panamanian, and Thai landraces, in order to get a a really potent hybrid that would finish on time.(2)

Mexican varieites tend to all be medium to tall in height with varying leaf width, but are often very dark green in color. When Colombian strains started to become more prevalent in the US market, the popularity of Mexican strains fell. In turn, Mexico started to flood the streets of western US with commericalized green and brown "Skunk" bud in great numbers.(3)

The three mexicans have different characteristics. Oaxacans have the biggest flowers and robust buds, but they tend to be more leafy. Guerreran strains tend to have a more minty, spicy, wintergreen fragrance than the other mexican strains. Growers in the northwest US mentioned that these Guerreran strains were often used with indicas to create their "Garlic Bud".(4)Michoacan strains have smaller flowers and smaller plants overall, but often have a very high calyx-to-leaf ratio.(5)

When I referred to bud being hairless or mostly hairless, I thought that it looked like a bunch of leaves shaped into a ball with the stem. But now I believe that it was just the bracts on this skunk bud were very very large. Having very large bracts or calyx's is what gives this bud it's hairless appearance. It also provides more surface area for resin glands. I believe that by having larger and more bracts is what gives the true skunk it's stench because of the larger plant surface area. Over the last 10-15 yrs, most breeders made poor selections by picking the copius red haired plants instead of the ones with large bracts. Another mistake in breeding was for the super dense buds instead of the fluffier ones, which also lacked surface area for resin glands, etc... The skunk I had used to fluff up real good in a bag by making an 1/8oz look like 1/4th of an ounce. I have heard that Sensi's SuperSkunk is very fluffy.

Environment is a huge factor in the outcome of a grown strain. We all know that larger and more potent plants are the result of giving them more light, water, and food. Growing mj outdoors will often give a plant more light therefore it will yield more and more potent. Also by growing it outdoors, it will also effect the potency, color, and smell in many variations. So more light and heat may possibly give a plant more smell. Back in the 70's and 80's, more commercial growers grew under nature's bright light, which would probably yield smellier flowers.

To find what we are all looking for is to go back and look for certain genetics that are desired. We need to look at specific phenotypes in marijauna that will lead to the hybrid that we are all looking for. With the exception of a handful of breeders, there hasn't been much of anything new in terms of marijuana strains. We just need to look into the characteristics of what landrace commercial bud was around in the 1970's and 80's. We also need to investigate the skunk x indica hybrids that were grown commercially in the 1990's. So I wouldn't doubt it if a breeder could mix and match old super skunk and older skunk#1 strains together and end up with what we all used to enjoy.


(1)(2)Clarke, Robert. "Orgins of the Species: The History of Marijuana Breeding in North America" Cannabis CultureMay/June 2006, issue#60

(3)Rosenthal, Ed.The Big Book of Buds. Oakland:Quick American Archives, 2001

(4) DJ Short. Strains of Yesteryear: A retrospecive of the best marijuana varieties from the 70's and 80's Cannabis Culture #55(June 28, 2005)Feb 24,2007
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4280.html

(5)Clarke, Robert. Marijuana Botany
An Advanced Study: The Propagation and Breeding of Distinctive Cannabis.Chapter 3
http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/botany3.htm