I've heard a lot of bad about GH and Arjun. You gotta admit though, they know the marketting end of the business and that's one of the strongest skills you can have in business, even if your product is below par. They've proven that with numerous cup wins. Everyone bitches about the quality (can't say either way as I've never experienced it) but they still win. That just goes to show you how powerful the right advertising campaign can be. Good genes or not, they're making more money than God.