Government WILL Ban Guns Soon....

[armedoldhippy]

not going to happen. nobody in the GOP is interested, & the Dems know it is the third rail of american politics. there are maybe 5 cities in the us, and maybe 3 states that this issue might get traction. no place else...

 

[FreedomFightr]

If anything I see them going after bullets and it's already happening. Soon buying bullets in every state will require a doj back ground, thumb print, and a 10 day waiting period. Also the price will go up a whole lot more. Americans will never gve up guns. Remember folks its election year. Anti gun talk is always sparks a flame at this time. Although the Colorado shooting doesnt help and just adds fuel to the fire.

But I bet we can see them going after ammo making it harder to purchase, more expensive and less available with the contiune buying in bulk by our Government.

They just need to get tougher on laws regarding violent crimes with guns and possession of stolen firearms.

What do you guys think should be done about "mentally insane" type people buying firearms?

 

[sso]

criminals , usually dont shoot people.


they just want your money.


i live in a "gun free" society (iceland, anyone can buy rifles ,after taking a course and getting a license.)

criminals here, never use guns.

Nuts people, shoot other people (and here? they usually stab someone to death, i actually dont remember an actual gunmurder around here, just someone getting bludgeoned to death or something.) (and usually by people heavily into pharma drugs.)


nuts people, usually dont know any criminals to sell them guns. (even if they have them.)


if you dont live in a gunhappy society (where everyone has guns.)

you dont take a gun with you on robbery. (cause if you get caught for murder, its alot more heavy punishment than just robbery, plus like i said, they want money, not your life.)

robberies around here, are just usually someone with a hammer or something, threatening a small shop keeper.

and you can actually, buy something like a uzi, here on the black market.


so, which makes me think, its not guns that are america´s problem.

its the way and how people people think over there..

 

[erictheoldfart]

sso, VERY interesting and thought provoking input, friend. I tend to agree with the last statement in your post, however figuring out what it IS about America's society that might cause this aberration, well I just can't say. Thank You for the enlightening post.

 

[medmaker420]

If anything I see them going after bullets and it's already happening. Soon buying bullets in every state will require a doj back ground, thumb print, and a 10 day waiting period. Also the price will go up a whole lot more. Americans will never gve up guns. Remember folks its election year. Anti gun talk is always sparks a flame at this time. Although the Colorado shooting doesnt help and just adds fuel to the fire.

But I bet we can see them going after ammo making it harder to purchase, more expensive and less available with the contiune buying in bulk by our Government.

They just need to get tougher on laws regarding violent crimes with guns and possession of stolen firearms.

What do you guys think should be done about "mentally insane" type people buying firearms?

i can see them pricing the bullets out of an average persons price range as well as playing the guns don't kill people BULLETS do...

2nd amendment needs to stay or the rest really doesn't matter. For other countries who think guns are not needed, how is the SURVEILLANCE and government over reach doing in your country atm?

The only reason we haven't been completely bent over YET is due to our enormous arsenal which can be found in 9 out of 10 houses in the states.

 

[sso]

sso, VERY interesting and thought provoking input, friend. I tend to agree with the last statement in your post, however figuring out what it IS about America's society that might cause this aberration, well I just can't say. Thank You for the enlightening post.

hmm.

well,the wild west comes into mind.


and the idolizing of some people from that time period.


...probably something about the "somebody could shoot me at any moment" mentality , that came from that era..

and everyone actually having guns or so it seems.


i think this mentality is dying out though, slowly and painfully, but dying out.

and, yeah, i think its a 200 year old remnant of the gunslingers era. (which was sorta a remnant of the knights (romanticized in history, but in actuality just a bunch of murderers, same as the gunslingers.))

 

[Infinitesimal]

the "wild west" is hollywood bro... historically there were very few "OK coral" moments or high noon duels... if anyone got it, it was usually in the back, sneak attack, hit style killings where there was something bitter between two or more people and one person murdered another.

the idea that because everyone carried guns there were all kinds of drunkin bar gun fights and shoot outs is a fallacy... in reality no matter how tough you are, you qiuckly learn to respect a gun and know that if you reach for your gun... you are actually putting your own life on the line as at that point there is no return... and someone will get hurt. So only in times of necessity does it even become an option

 

[Infinitesimal]

for instance this is how it works...

for instance this is how it works...

in reality​

in the middle of a confrontation... the thief went for his gun, and the concealed weapons holder was forced to go for his weapon or risk death...

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

Certainly they want to ban guns. Will they do it before the election, not likely. It doesn't have support in the congress right now.

All of that could change if they had the right false flag. http://www.infowars.com/dhs-source-its-going-hot-obama-false-flag-coming/

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Apparently now a days its not about physical confiscation, but through regulation, taxation or penalty.


Too much resistance in taking Americans' guns..but steep taxation, regulation, and availability certainly is a part of their toolbox to keep the masses subdued as the standard of living is continually dissolved in the US.

 

[The Revolution]

i find the whole thing very hard to understand tbh

you americans seem to fiercely defend your right to bear arms... and when the batman thing happened it seemed that some of you thought that MORE guns was the answer.

to me as an ignorant onlooker it just seems very obvious.

lots of easily available guns in america = lots of people get shot in america

and the more times you get a mass shooting, the more likely it is likely to happen again and again.

yeah i know the canadians have loads of guns too but not so many people getting shot.. can't tell you why that is.

VG

People are shot all over the world..Everyday. I find it odd you pointing at the US. Do you have statistics? I agree as a person looking at the US news, maybe you could conclude that. Realize its very easy for them to flood the news with every shooting all over the world. Real news is never reported.


Guns dont kill people, Dumb people with guns, kill people.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China..
Yes we're going to protect our right to keep and bear arms. urfuckinright. To the death of it, and Id hope others would follow.
This is our second amendment. It was put there for a reason. Many have fought and died to protect these rights.
Your post has boggled me

 

[The Revolution]

No I don't because too many people in this country don't give a shit about all the rights they have had taken away, just sit at home pecking away at the key board talking big about how great they are, but ask what they will do to protect their rights ( NOT ME THEY SAY IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME)!
See I'm not delusional I'm going to protect my self & my family & hope someday people will wake up , but I worry the wrong people will wake up & we will really be screwed!

Im with you crazybear.
Sure one person isnt going to cause much attention but its a UNITED thing. The real power is in numbers, and together, we've got em by the balls.

 

[The Revolution]

I really think you should reassess, and direct your attention to our current economy, and the fact that all is corrupt. Our economy is in the bucket, people go broke, they get hungry, and desperate. So mix in new designer drugs epidemics, poor people, desperation and a bunch of cheap guns.

they'll NEVER ban guns.....one simple reason, there are too many dudes with little dicks over compensating for their short comings. big guns = little dicks imo. low self opinions covered by the threat of violence. calling it a self defense weapon is bullshit. it's an excuse to carry deadly force in the hopes of actually getting to use it. baseball bats can kill people too, but you don't need a license or a constitutional right to haul around a louisville slugger.

maybe some of you want to see everyone armed. if that's the case, the george zimmermans of the world will become the norm not the exception. lets hope THAT never happens because some of you might be the victim one day for wearing that gay assed polo shirt. if the only witness is dead, it's your word against a dead guys. 10,000 people a year are killed by firearms. 0.2% of those killings were in "self-defense," 28% of that 0.2% were by law enforcement. calling it a self defense weapon is a way of deflecting from the true reason why. no one will talk shit to an armed man, mainly because calling someone a little dicked pussy will get you shot. even if you ARE speaking the truth.

i own guns (4 rifles, and a couple shotguns, never had a need for a pistol mainly because they suck for hunting animals), and i love to shoot and hunt. been hunting and target shooting for over 30 years. i've never needed one when i wasn't doing either of the aforementioned hobbies, and i seriously doubt many here have had a reason to use one for anything other than hunting or target shooting. the more people that start carrying guns, the more people will die. it's basic logic. stupid people with deadly weapons are the main reason people get shot. hell even the cops can't hit their targets (i.e. empire state building shooting) under duress, so the chances of joe schmoe hitting his target while stressed is slim. that being said, the collateral damage is always worse than the original motive.

i'll probably be flamed for my comments, and if that's the case, so be it. it just means i'm right.....lol.

 

[sso]

the "wild west" is hollywood bro... historically there were very few "OK coral" moments or high noon duels... if anyone got it, it was usually in the back, sneak attack, hit style killings where there was something bitter between two or more people and one person murdered another.

the idea that because everyone carried guns there were all kinds of drunkin bar gun fights and shoot outs is a fallacy... in reality no matter how tough you are, you qiuckly learn to respect a gun and know that if you reach for your gun... you are actually putting your own life on the line as at that point there is no return... and someone will get hurt. So only in times of necessity does it even become an option

i did not imply that the "wild west" and hollywoods portrayal of it was true.

 

[Infinitesimal]

i did not imply that the "wild west" and hollywoods portrayal of it was true.

hmm.

well,the wild west comes into mind.


and the idolizing of some people from that time period.


...probably something about the "somebody could shoot me at any moment" mentality , that came from that era..

and everyone actually having guns or so it seems.


i think this mentality is dying out though, slowly and painfully, but dying out.

and, yeah, i think its a 200 year old remnant of the gunslingers era. (which was sorta a remnant of the knights (romanticized in history, but in actuality just a bunch of murderers, same as the gunslingers.))

sso,
you are always a kind, peaceful guy, so don't take this the wrong way.

well, thats what it sounds like... and my point was that "the wild west" really only ever existed in Hollywoods portrayal of it... life was not near as violent as it is today... if for no other reasons than shear population size and density.

but this is just american history... and I wouldn't have any clue about Icelandic history, even if I had seen movies based on actual events... if your impressions of american history isn't coming from films... then what ACTUAL history are you referring to, which romanticize your so called gunslingers?

Peace,
Infi

 

[sso]

sso,
you are always a kind, peaceful guy, so don't take this the wrong way.

i was not insulted, takes a bit more than someone misunderstanding me or having a different view of things.

well, thats what it sounds like... and my point was that "the wild west" really only ever existed in Hollywoods portrayal of it... life was not near as violent as it is today... if for no other reasons than shear population size and density.

i was more talking about the Idea of the Wild west.
which many romanticized and still do.(or those movies wouldnt have existed (or in vastly different form, not about heroes.))

in an effort to explain the u.s morbid fascination with guns and its use in solving most things (might makes right.)

but this is just american history... and I wouldn't have any clue about Icelandic history, even if I had seen movies based on actual events... if your impressions of american history isn't coming from films... then what ACTUAL history are you referring to, which romanticize your so called gunslingers?

Peace,
Infi

ive read bit about american history, its ideas about freedom always interested me..

icelandic history? well, you could check out the movie, The raven flies (Hrafninn flýgur.)

its rather memorable, sorta of a spagetti western viking story and probably the most accurate depiction of viking history.

and on that note, in icelandic history, very similar things happened about 1000 years ago , that happened in the west in the 1800´s.

revenge stories and whatnot, duels and shit.

it had all gone near to shit before people gave that way of thinking up. (families wiped out and constant small warfare. a civil war of sorts.)

funny how the world runs in the same circles isnt it?

 

[Infinitesimal]

I knew I didn't insult you, I was just making sure you didn't think I was tryn to get into an argument.

I don't pay much attention to any hero figures in western stories. What I do like about westerns, especially older ones, is the morals they posses... the Ideas of right and wrong as opposed to legal and illegal... and the contrasting freedoms that they experienced as compared to todays modern societies... to me westerns are more about manifest destiny... the persecution, slaughter of indians and theft of their land... the taking of mexican lands and the revolution of Texas... the norths war AGAINST southern succession (the civil war, not at all about slavery... the emancipation proclamation was only used as tactics to get escaped blacks to fight for the north) which I find very similar yet contradictory to the vietnam and korean conflicts; where we were fighting FOR southern succession... the value and devaluation of our currency... and many many more important subjects relevant to the type of injustices we suffer today at the hands of Governments.

in fact one of my most favorite westerns is "Lonely are the brave" not at all about gunfighting all about liberty and freedom.

funny how the world runs in the same circles isnt it?

History definitely repeats itself.

Peace,
Infi

 

[iampolluted]

I really think you should reassess, and direct your attention to our current economy, and the fact that all is corrupt. Our economy is in the bucket, people go broke, they get hungry, and desperate. So mix in new designer drugs epidemics, poor people, desperation and a bunch of cheap guns.

so designer drugs and the economy are the cause for columbine, the gabby giffords shooting, the mosque shooting, the batman shootings, guys going postal at work, robberies, george zimmerman, the vigilante subway shooters, mcdonalds shootings, the shootings at the holocaust museum, ect...?

i've been living on less than $16,000 a year for the last 3 years. prior to that i was making double that. never murdered anyone, or caused a person pain or injury for my problems. to blame society's financial collapse to justify violence is fucking absurd, and delusional. nice of you to blame the poor when most poor people i know aren't even considering a gun when their stomachs are taking priority. poor people don't buy guns. people with money to fucking waste do in order to "protect themselves" from a self perceived boogy man (aka the gov't or other "liberal threat").

like i said i've been broke and hungry for years, and along with many others in the same boat, NONE have ever resorted to violence for self gratification in any form. it's called respect for human life, and no murder could ever justify the want, or even need, by another. dumpster diving for leftovers will not get you shot. apparently going to see a midnight showing of batman can tho.

yep, the economic collapse caused it.....the fucking banks are causing countless murders. why not just blame wall street too. it's never the guy who pulls the triggers fault, he had a legal right to own the gun.......sarcasm off.

the those who said the wild west was just hollywood's portrayal and untrue also need to reread their history books or do some online searching. the new frontier was covered in bloodshed. either from the outright stealing of land, or genocidal cleansing to further american advancement west. apparently the alamo, the hatfield and mccoy fueds, billy the kid, bill hickok, butch cassidy, the sundance kid, black bart, and all the wars during the same time are just plain folklore. let's not forget the that a once sitting vice president was also brought up on murder charges although never tried for the crime.....his name, arron burr. nope no violence back in the olden days, it's all hollywood make believe.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

So, let me ask all the gun holders this question, and this is for the die hard die hard, protecting myself stance. How many of you know Waco? Now if you know very well the actions of just the ATF, and FBI those 50 plus days, then all these words of fact coming out in this thread seem far fetched, even tho I know ppl may be in a mood of survival. How do you combat infared? How do you battle no food or water? How do you battle snipers that take position to turn your head into a jack in the box?

There is alot of BS coming out that reeks of Rambo, or a society of gun totters who are invinsible. Some of the hardest men I had known, gangsters are locked up, some got dead, but as hard as they were, I dont see anything but big talk, as they been overcomed. Most here give me this feeling that if indeed shit hits the fan, just cause the gun is in your hand you're safe. FACT- If a gun is in your hand during the shit hitting the fan, I promise you you will never see the shot that will kill you, once law says shoot to kill your done, unless you got all the gadgets and man power to combat this out of your home.

If you think not, then just one of you here post me a artical that a whole swat team has been compremised and killed by a gun man! Hell show me one case that has the gun holder a hero, and defeated the cops, army, or any force wanting to get them? Hell as hard as I was on the run from the FBI for a year and a half, when I was considered armed and dangerous, I was meet with some force that said you move you die! So I really hate to be a burden, but lots of MOJO going on with hypathetical theories of how the man will come down on us if this was true. Hell we all know its impossible to disarm, all of the govt knows this too, so by getting ppl to run their mouth about how aint no body going to take me or my gun, and so on seems to be way too much fairytalish.

Do some research ppl, RUBY RIDGE-A man his wife, and three kids = 400, yes 400 plus ATF, FBI,oh and a tank, the ending outcome, Sniper shoots wife in face while holding a nursing baby, the same bullet left her head, and struck her son. Husband was shot but survived. Oh and they killed the oldest son by multipal shots in the back by M16, only because the ATF who was staking them out, and the 11yr old boys dog was barking at ATF, ATF shot the dog from the trees, and the boy shot back like dad told him to, as the boy ran to his home was when he took the shots.

So, whole different senerio, and I hardly see the millions of ppl here and out there who got guns, tell me the same senerio of why, they have the gun, and how it will all go down with them if it were to. See that means some here are mixing two things, thats 1 being hard aint scared is one thing, 2 being a murderer/killer, yeah talking the talk is one thing, but talking like you have no problems seeing blood in mass amounts in every direction, gurgling gasps for last breaths, the shitting, and pissing and sounds a dead body makes, how bout one that still will twitch after after being dead for half hour? Yeah sound like a lot of killers out there are ok, or have done this before-not!

Protecting yourself with a gun is one thing, but talking govt, govt wanting to disarm you, are two different things. Sheriff Joe blow aint going to come knock on your door one day, with coffee in hand, saying bill you know I came for your guns, now hand em over, ok bill sorry for that tell susan I said howdie! No fat chance.

 

[Nosmo King]

What policitian is advocating control?