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Government WILL Ban Guns Soon....

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rives

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In the UK we are a democracy thanks. very few people own guns and we have had only 1 mass shooting that i can remember.

all these people saying that 'guns dont kill people' are being a bit obtuse about it imo. without the guns the crazy people would find it much harder to commit mass murder.
so you can blame the morals etc etc, but the guns facilitate the killing to a huge extent.

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It's interesting to note that in this month's American Rifleman there is an article about how the NRA and US citizens helped to re-arm the British populace in 1940 after they had been pretty well stripped of their weapons with the gun control regulations passed in 1920. Apparently the military was also left with a huge shortage of weapons after abandoning them in the retreat from Dunkirk, and the result of those two factors had England largely defenseless.
 

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banning guns is going bit too far,

thats like saying All the people are morons, they cant have any guns unless they join the army.


somewhat larger restrictions on gun ownage might be a good thing though. :)
 

sso

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..humm, though any reasons i would see for owning guns, would be for hunting.

only for people that had been taught to handle these guns (and to hunt safely.)


and at special gun ranges, for fun.



though, the number 1 reason for keeping a gun in the home is probably criminals.


but do armed break in´s happen that much? and what are the legal penalties?
 
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armed break ins are kind of the standard over here, and the courts decided that the cops don't have to protect you

it's kind of a fucked up reality, but you play with the cards you are dealt
 

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armed break ins are kind of the standard over here, and the courts decided that the cops don't have to protect you

it's kind of a fucked up reality, but you play with the cards you are dealt


heh. if the cops dont protect the people, what use are they? traffic tickets and scoring weed for themselves?


in that case id want heavy machine guns and gatling guns for every home.

might as well outgun the crooks. :) (semi joking, would be kinda cool, till you got the death toll in lol)

since in that case, heavy restrictions on guns, would only bring a larger black market.

id instate more teaching on proper gun usage though.
 

GetUpStandUp

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..humm, though any reasons i would see for owning guns, would be for hunting.

only for people that had been taught to handle these guns (and to hunt safely.)


and at special gun ranges, for fun.



though, the number 1 reason for keeping a gun in the home is probably criminals.


but do armed break in´s happen that much? and what are the legal penalties?
Yeah tell cheney to be safe lol
 

GetUpStandUp

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I do believe that confinscation will not happen, its not logical in any approach, unless other areas of life are attacked, hence our current world, and would love to see a senerio where the law actually acted as everyone thinks it will go down. Either way ppl are keeping the guns so its the wrong question to ask.
 

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heh. if the cops dont protect the people, what use are they? traffic tickets and scoring weed for themselves?


in that case id want heavy machine guns and gatling guns for every home.

might as well outgun the crooks. :) (semi joking, would be kinda cool, till you got the death toll in lol)

since in that case, heavy restrictions on guns, would only bring a larger black market.

id instate more teaching on proper gun usage though.



un fortunately that is all to much the case... police are here to fill out incident reports, and issue citations for administrative offenses, very little "crime" fighting actually takes place and most "criminals" they do apprehend are non violent drug offenders (users, dealers, traffickers and manufacturers) none of which should be considered a crime in the first place.

and thats exactly it, heavy gun restrictions just lead to a larger black market and leaves criminals as the only civilians with heavy weaponry... and there is no chance that police can respond to a call fast enough in a life or death situation where seconds count.
 

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don't know about the US, but in Switzerland every sane male adult has his or her military weapon at home and the emergency packs of rounds, plus any ammo they buy them selves. they don't have armed break ins, nor do they have mass shootings. in fact the crime rate is quite low. the secret is in the training, every one of those weapon owners has had training on that weapon and been drilled in safe handling. without that training people do stupid shit with guns. specially when one is young it can be very tempting to behave irresponsibly.
 

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don't know about the US, but in Switzerland every sane male adult has his or her military weapon at home and the emergency packs of rounds, plus any ammo they buy them selves. they don't have armed break ins, nor do they have mass shootings. in fact the crime rate is quite low. the secret is in the training, every one of those weapon owners has had training on that weapon and been drilled in safe handling. without that training people do stupid shit with guns. specially when one is young it can be very tempting to behave irresponsibly.

People aren't committing crimes and mass shootings because they don't know how to safely handle a gun.
 

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People aren't committing crimes and mass shootings because they don't know how to safely handle a gun.

No, but a brief period of conscription to provide both some weapons training and some lessons in being a productive member of society might be worth a hard look. The Swiss are obviously doing something right, and it has sure as hell gotten away from us. There are far too many guns out there to ever take them away, and the mindset of the populace wouldn't allow it anyhow. The other option is to arm the good guys and teach them the skills that used to be endemic in our population prior to about 40 years ago.
 

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no way, americans love their guns, i think they love 'em even more than their trucks, which i can understand, they're more like your bike or your knife or your guitar, they're more ... personal :)
 

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No, but a brief period of conscription to provide both some weapons training and some lessons in being a productive member of society might be worth a hard look. The Swiss are obviously doing something right, and it has sure as hell gotten away from us. There are far too many guns out there to ever take them away, and the mindset of the populace wouldn't allow it anyhow. The other option is to arm the good guys and teach them the skills that used to be endemic in our population prior to about 40 years ago.
Yeah training is good, but most of the criminals here have none..well unless you want to count drive-bys. The real problem to me is, criminals will have guns no matter what law there is..the law abiding man is fucked if he gives up his guns. I'm not going to be fucked. I'm going to say "You're Fucked"
 

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Shoot ,shovel, and shut up. If that upsets you..stay the fuck away from me and mine.
 

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are you fucking kidding me? they are not banning shit. This is a troll thread. There would be a civil war. this chart shows registered guns. In America has 90 registered guns per 100 citizens. There are gun nuts that own stock piles of unregistered m-16 and ammo buried in the ground. Plus all the other random unregistered guns. there are state militias. Our bombs tanks and planes are made by private companies, that can chose to stop making weapons for the the US government. Texas instruments has loyalty to Texas. 2/3 of the marine core infantry are from Texas alone.

The south is just waiting for government to try to take guns away. the government could not even make the announcement of a bill for that with out enacting Marshal law.
 

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i've been living on less than $16,000 a year for the last 3 years. prior to that i was making double that. never murdered anyone, or caused a person pain or injury for my problems. to blame society's financial collapse to justify violence is fucking absurd, and delusional. nice of you to blame the poor when most poor people i know aren't even considering a gun when their stomachs are taking priority. poor people don't buy guns. people with money to fucking waste do in order to "protect themselves" from a self perceived boogy man (aka the gov't or other "liberal threat").

like i said i've been broke and hungry for years, and along with many others in the same boat, NONE have ever resorted to violence for self gratification in any form. it's called respect for human life, and no murder could ever justify the want, or even need, by another. dumpster diving for leftovers will not get you shot. apparently going to see a midnight showing of batman can tho.

Certainly violence has many sources, but to dispute that poverty/drugs contributes to violence is an absurd comment as well. Of course extreme poverty/desperation contributes to violent acts.

Poverty to justify violence.. of course not, but it definitely contributes to it. Is it right, No. But starve a man to near death (or his beloved family) and watch how desperate he gets. Its not rational thinking.. it's starvation and complete mental breakdown. Self preservation is one of the greatest human instincts...and can drive a human being to actions he might have never considered before. No man can say otherwise until he is faced with such a scenario.

Comparing your 16k salary .."broke and hungry"..dumpster diving to the scenario that The Revolution was suggesting is delusional.


And yes - the banking cartel and the federal reserve are the reason our country is in the shitter with a much darker future on the horizon. If you dont think extreme desperation and violence will come out of their criminal actions you are blind. It's one of the main reasons gov. will continue to tighten the lease down on the freedoms our forefathers fought for...all in the name of "safety".


Not the main cause for such action, but The Revolution's statement was certainly not wrong. Yea.. drugs, poverty, and desperation have nothing to do with violence/crime. :chin: What planet are you from?


self perceived boogy man (aka the gov't or other "liberal threat").
Self perceived? If you cannot see the ever increasing loss of our liberties (an effect from too much government/power) then you sir need to open your eyes and look around at the world around you.
 
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