Golden Tiger

[SolarLogos]

The way they swallow up the pistil is a good indication that the calyx is fully swollen. After that the resins bulk up and ripen a bit more. The trick is to balance the number of swollen ripened calyxes with those that are not. The longer flowering a variety the more variation in calyxes you tend to have to the point where eventually your harvesting with some fresh calyxes to save all the old ones from getting overripe.
If there's been no change for days I would consider a cut considering the closeness to end of cycle I see a four day lull as the plant "hanging on" before it finally gives up and begins the process of dying.

That is all excellent information, what I trying to learn. On the longer flowering plants, I've seen new calyxes and pistils. I take it you don't want that or is that something that will happen as you are waiting for all of the calyxes to mature or does that mean you waited too long?I picked up a microscope that takes pictures. I will try to get that installed today and get some close-ups. Thanks again Yukon, you're a good friend.
Peace, God bless

 

[Mr.Revolution]

I don't understand... what trick am I trying to do? My issue is that fade begins to set in a week or more early most runs and I'm hypothesizing possible reasons. One reason was a mag deficiency because it looked visually similar, however considering I did in fact include a Epsom in my water reservoir I wonder if it's a case of lockout rather than deficiency in the soil. Thus my pondering of possible reasons for a lockout and ideas to fix it or if I should even bother...

Do you mean keep the roots wet so they lockout and cause plant to yellow? Don't even think I could... I have very well draining soils that hold moisture within the soil itself... excess water is drained out bottom of box immediately. I end up watering every two or three days heavily and do all right but if I had automatic watering to do slow constant watering I think I would be pulling insane growth rates and yields

I have done every day watering as well as twice a day and it was great but too much effort.. I really want a sprayer system set up with a timer so I can water once every few days and keep it moist up top with a couple or three mistings a day..

Ok my bad . I should have been more clear. I was responding to you saying you dont feed much cause you have to much soil to try and flush.

 

[YukonKronic]

No worries brother! Was just wanting to understand... tnx for clarity.
I probably shouldn't say I don't feed much it's just that so much is held by the soil that I find I only need a little topdress timed just right and the rest is already there... I also use FPEs and fish hydrolysate at key points of influence in an effort to boost production as well as foliars so technically there are inputs I just keep it pretty light until I see my soil getting deficiencies then address it between cycles so I'm always "topped up" for flower.

I'm trying to mimic volcanic soil in a flood zone. I put as much plant material BACK into the system as possible including leftover extract material that gets composted before reapplication. Because I always remove the buds I lose some biomass potential from my soil each run. It is this lost potential I attempt to replace each run with organic amendments and FPEs/hydrolysates. As I learn more I get better at balancing lost and replaced nutrition and my soil stays productive and balanced for longer before needing large inputs of any given element.

 

[SolarLogos]

GT4

GT4

Here is a close up of GT4, one of the middle buds. Sorry about the quality, I'm just learning this new microscope camera.

Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

That is all excellent information, what I trying to learn. On the longer flowering plants, I've seen new calyxes and pistils. I take it you don't want that or is that something that will happen as you are waiting for all of the calyxes to mature or does that mean you waited too long?I picked up a microscope that takes pictures. I will try to get that installed today and get some close-ups. Thanks again Yukon, you're a good friend.
Peace, God bless

Some very long flowering varieties (Haze or pure Thai for example) will never stop producing new calyxes making Harvest a very subjective window between re-flowerings but generally speaking even plants that go 16 weeks and more can be brought all the way to senescence (death) by reducing light hours and water/food until the plant has no more than a few barely living pistils on it. Or the buds have swollen and trichomes begin to degrade. Some growers let Sativas go completely amber before harvest purporting that this gives a deeper high that is less racy and paranoid.. I do let Zam get pretty ambered up before cutting as it helps a bit with "the terror" but it's still sooo trippy that I don't know if I would call it any more mellow... just less terrifying.

I think I see cloudy and lot of clears in that microscope shot... I would look for a slight greater number of Amber trichs than clear with the majority being cloudy turning to amber. Or something close to that anyway... cool thing to have by the way. I have wanted a good camera microscope for a long time.

 

[YukonKronic]

Terpene has good Harvest advice for long flowering sativas... I learned a lot from him.

It won't all go to shit in a day... you'll notice some trichs are brown and ruptured if they're degrading.. then it takes a couple more days or so for the rest to catch up over ripen and pop or wither up or whatever.

 

[SolarLogos]

Some very long flowering varieties (Haze or pure Thai for example) will never stop producing new calyxes making Harvest a very subjective window between re-flowerings but generally speaking even plants that go 16 weeks and more can be brought all the way to senescence (death) by reducing light hours and water/food until the plant has no more than a few barely living pistils on it. Or the buds have swollen and trichomes begin to degrade. Some growers let Sativas go completely amber before harvest purporting that this gives a deeper high that is less racy and paranoid.. I do let Zam get pretty ambered up before cutting as it helps a bit with "the terror" but it's still sooo trippy that I don't know if I would call it any more mellow... just less terrifying.

I think I see cloudy and lot of clears in that microscope shot... I would look for a slight greater number of Amber trichs than clear with the majority being cloudy turning to amber. Or something close to that anyway... cool thing to have by the way. I have wanted a good camera microscope for a long time.

Thanks so much my friend. That really clears things up a lot. I will let the Malawi's and this GT go a little longer. I was worried about the heads of the trichomes getting old and falling off, but since I'm in the greenhouse, the fan breeze is pretty gentle.

BTW, I got the camera on Amazon for $20. It's a Jiusion 40 to 1000x if you're interested. I may try to get some more close ups of the other girls and post them if I get time-I'm in the middle of a batch of Honduran Bubble hash. I have a 4 month cure on the weed, so I figured it should be ready to make hash.
Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

Here's some pics of the "hedge" that I was growing. Some typical buds, a shot of the container full of herbs it gave me (it was crammed. It dried and shrank a bit but mostly I been smoking it) and a few close ups that really do no justice to the crystal that's there.

 

[YukonKronic]

Scrog looks a little fatter and more resinous each day... I'll post more pics at 8 weeks. I dug into the dirt last night and it was way dryer than anticipated! Biology under the mulch has been keeping it a little more moist than soil underneath so I didn't catch it until I dug down 3or 4 inches. I watered heavily last night with a bit of Epsom and will hit it again today to make sure dry pockets get nicely saturated. Must be drinking like Hell with all the mass they're putting on and those big roots I let them get.. my bad not to think of it sooner. I run at 15-30% humidity so I should have.

 

[SolarLogos]

I am in awe over those last two pictures. Looks like more resin than plant material. You had credibility, but damn! Nice job my friend!
Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

Tnx bro I just try to understand the plant and its ways enough to let it express itself fully...

 

[YukonKronic]

Sorry I'm late. These were at 8 weeks flower... still something going on with nutrition. I gave Epsom and it seemed to help for a few days but I'm beginning to see a little more fade set in and foun a nanner t'other day. It's not going to wreck my Harvey by any means just a curiosity I want to understand.... probably getting to point where I need to approach "next level" and start testing soil to determine potential deficiencies prior to flowering as well as be able to compare pre and post flower results to get better idea of how much of what amendment might be getting used.

In all honesty I'm beginning to suspect I've overdosed P on last couple runs and now CEC is over saturated with it.... all guessing without a test.

Pictures:

 

[YukonKronic]

 

[SolarLogos]

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Wow, those are some fat, sugary buds my friend! Looking great for 8 weeks! BTW, I took your advise and did not take down my 2 GTs and I'm glad I didn't. The sugar fairy came by really frosted the Thai pheno. It's been overcast and rainy hear, so very little sun, but I keep the temps up and humidity down in the greenhouse. We are expected sun tomorrow, so I will try to get some pics up then. In the mean time, I will get a close up of a flower and post; see what you think. Thanks again for your help last week.
Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

Wow, those are some fat, sugary buds my friend! Looking great for 8 weeks! BTW, I took your advise and did not take down my 2 GTs and I'm glad I didn't. The sugar fairy came by really frosted the Thai pheno. It's been overcast and rainy hear, so very little sun, but I keep the temps up and humidity down in the greenhouse. We are expected sun tomorrow, so I will try to get some pics up then. In the mean time, I will get a close up of a flower and post; see what you think. Thanks again for your help last week.
Peace, God bless

Happy to help! I find it important to remember that once they stop growing buds they still swell all the calyxes and pump up resins for a week or so. It's that last "finishing" period we're really after even tho it's still good smoke as soon as growth stops... just my opinion.

 

[Koondense]

Awesome scrog! I wish mine was like yours
The yield will be more than decent too. Great job YK.


Cheers

 

[Tangwena]

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Looks like one of those shots of a pine forest from on high. Awesome scrog its going to be a huge harvest hats off brother.

 

[SolarLogos]

It's hard to believe my GT and Malawi are still in the greenhouse. I left them to nature to flower and they are really taking their sweet time. Maybe coming in slow will produce a better smoke? This is what I believe is the Thai pheno, because it has floppy, thin branches with lots of smaller buds lining the whole branch. I haven't seen any amber yet, but still a few clear. Here is some mid-level branches and a close up.

I have the dehumidifier and heater going 24/7 now, so humidity is around 50-55 and temps are a little low but they don't mind, about 50 early morning and 71-78 during the day. It's been raining and overcast, but I will get more pics when the weather gets a little sunnier.
Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

Nice solar logos! Looks like she's packing on frost... I'm guessing by crystals about a week give/take a day or two... leaves are fading nicely too.. I recommend a multi stage harvest so you get some idea of how maturation effects the end product. Some like it now while it's a bit racy still and others like it at any point down the line from now to probable "last minute" harvest in a week or two...
Looks really good already

 

[SolarLogos]

Nice solar logos! Looks like she's packing on frost... I'm guessing by crystals about a week give/take a day or two... leaves are fading nicely too.. I recommend a multi stage harvest so you get some idea of how maturation effects the end product. Some like it now while it's a bit racy still and others like it at any point down the line from now to probable "last minute" harvest in a week or two...
Looks really good already

Thanks again for looking over my shoulder my friend. I picked a small bud a few days ago to look at under my camera/scope and just smoked it. My tolerance issues are back again, but she sure lets herself be known. She is quite racy and energetic, very clear with a lot of euphoria at the onset. Time is very distorted, but I'm guessing it's only a few minutes after, there is a surging feeling through out the entire body, more energy than electric that gently fades to a clear, energetic, motivating high. A lot can change during a long cure, hopefully for the better. Multistage harvest for sure, can't have enough smoke reports!
Peace, God bless