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Dr.King

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Hey Dubi. WHat's shakin'? SO I have a couple quick questions regarding the both the Golden Tiger, and Malawi strains. Both Regs. I was hoping for some info about Dominant and recessive traits on the Golden Tiger. The Malawi Seems pretty ubiquitous. I'm hoping to cross the GT with an Local Outdoor strain in the hopes of imparting a tendency towards a broader terpene profile. I'm not super impressed with the Traditional Haze Hybrids. SO I'm hoping to get My hands on your Lebanese. I think I saw it in the; "whats coming from ace in 2017" thread.

Thoughts

ANy info you could give me would be much Appreciated.

Plaid=)

Greetings Plaid, Dubi is currently busy with the harvest season including very improtant seed reproductions/creations. He shall return in a few weeks, with a much needed vacation also.

Too your question, the regular seeds would give you more variety for Thai leaning selections. The fem version is definitely stable for phenomenal smoke. Many of the haze hybrids are similar to the pure haze strains. They require sorting through a pack of seeds to acquire the pheno that the person is searching for.

The Lebanese, I think one can get testers if requested during a order just have to email Dubi/Ace before you order. Might only be crosses of it avaliable. I like my Sativas pure though with no heart or anxiety problems. Leaving them to flower longer always helps. I for one would think that a Thai leaning GT crossed to a heavy Columbian leaning Honduras would be fantastic. If someone beats me too it I'd love to see it, this is one on my future list within a couple of years. Hope this helped in anyway, happy growing all.
 

andlund930

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Very new to posting, Long time lurker/learner here on the Ace pages.

Had a most successful Panama Haze grow as well as I had a small mandarin orange pheno Malawi plant next to it that was great smoke yet small yeild.

Anyways, I currently am running a Zam fem, GT fem, Malawi / panaMA Fem, PanaMA / BangiH fem.

I def have the early flowering stocky, short, compact pheno. I am 21 days into flower. Just am wondering what to expect from this pheno? Any and all info#advice is very welcome.

Thanks in advance!
 

andlund930

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GT is not normally known for "early flowering stocky, short, compact pheno" ... Can you post some photos ?

Hey there. I do believe u r mistaken. DUBI actally recently posted some.pics of the GT mothers. One particularly that is "early flowering, short, and compact" can't remember what thread I viewed them.

Check out the Facebook post made by Ace Seeds Sept 13.

Hope someone with experience or knowledge of this pheno can chime in?

I was very surprised by the veg growth. Seaming very indica like. Long veg took forever to get to a point I felt happy to flower and has barely stretched. Only 21 days into flower. But looks like a 7/9 weeker already just from my experience with indicas.

Anyways only been at this a few years and only consider myself a newb. :)
 

Dr.King

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Hey there. I do believe u r mistaken. DUBI actally recently posted some.pics of the GT mothers. One particularly that is "early flowering, short, and compact" can't remember what thread I viewed them.

Check out the Facebook post made by Ace Seeds Sept 13.

Hope someone with experience or knowledge of this pheno can chime in?

I was very surprised by the veg growth. Seaming very indica like. Long veg took forever to get to a point I felt happy to flower and has barely stretched. Only 21 days into flower. But looks like a 7/9 weeker already just from my experience with indicas.

Anyways only been at this a few years and only consider myself a newb. :)

If it's a slow growth quicker flowering, slow onset I would say it's Malawi leaning with a slight mutation. Even normal Malawi leaning GTs will have some good growth. The Indica growth patterns you referred too that I've seen are mutations. Photos would certainly help clear this up. While the smoke is still good, a few other key elements are missing. Hope this helps, happy growing all.
 

andlund930

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andlund930

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If it's a slow growth quicker flowering, slow onset I would say it's Malawi leaning with a slight mutation. Even normal Malawi leaning GTs will have some good growth. The Indica growth patterns you referred too that I've seen are mutations. Photos would certainly help clear this up. While the smoke is still good, a few other key elements are missing. Hope this helps, happy growing all.

Hey thanks so much for the reply. The 3 Ace varieties it is sharing the tent with are all twice the size of this one now and look exactly as expected. Was very surprised by the growth all around of this GT. I was happy to find when researching that there is in fact a shorter compact pheno. Plant was defoliated a tad today as well as spread out a bit. It was so bushy I had no choice as there wouldn't be much airflow or light getting through to the bottom of the plant.

Thanks again for the insight.
 

Dawn Patrol

Well this is some bullshit right here.....
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GT is not normally known for "early flowering stocky, short, compact pheno" ... Can you post some photos ?

How does this grab you? All three grown from seed, flowered at the same time, all Golden Tiger.

I won't say the shorter plants had any "indica" effect, but their growth habit and finishing time was significantly different

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Ncali

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I've experienced three phenos as well: thai, mixed, Malawi. The Malawi is a stockier plant, more compact dense buds. Thus I found them more prone to humidity related problems (bud rot). I thought they could take higher levels of N without detriment to flower structure, relative to the more thai expressions I grew. This short plant was not an indica pheno. The sativa effects varried, but all phenos had cerebral effect for sure. No body effects.
 

andlund930

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I've experienced three phenos as well: thai, mixed, Malawi. The Malawi is a stockier plant, more compact dense buds. Thus I found them more prone to humidity related problems (bud rot). I thought they could take higher levels of N without detriment to flower structure, relative to the more thai expressions I grew. This short plant was not an indica pheno. The sativa effects varried, but all phenos had cerebral effect for sure. No body effects.

I've also been noting with this plant it seams hungrier then the rest.

Using the word IndiCA was maybe a bad choice of words. This is only my second true sativa run. Only thing I can compare the growth habits of this plant with is a few very stocky slow indicas I've grown. I.E. Cheese, Pineapple Chunk.
 

ChaosCatalunya

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Hey there. I do believe u r mistaken. DUBI actally recently posted some.pics of the GT mothers. One particularly that is "early flowering, short, and compact" can't remember what thread I viewed them.

Check out the Facebook post made by Ace Seeds Sept 13.

Hope someone with experience or knowledge of this pheno can chime in?

I was very surprised by the veg growth. Seaming very indica like. Long veg took forever to get to a point I felt happy to flower and has barely stretched. Only 21 days into flower. But looks like a 7/9 weeker already just from my experience with indicas.

Anyways only been at this a few years and only consider myself a newb. :)


How does this grab you? All three grown from seed, flowered at the same time, all Golden Tiger.

I won't say the shorter plants had any "indica" effect, but their growth habit and finishing time was significantly different

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Well, this is news to me. I have grown pure Malawi, Golden Tiger a few years ago, and have GT running now but have not seen these differences, or heard of them here, I don't do Facebook or weed on social media, so miss these things.

It is possible that they are sulking a bit, which could explain the size, but the early flowering thing I have never seen before and have no idea how it could be explained. Genetic diversity keeps things different, but not *that* different, normally

Having said which... Here are some Tom Hill Hazes that I managed to keep small, in coco :biggrin:

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I've experienced three phenos as well: thai, mixed, Malawi. The Malawi is a stockier plant, more compact dense buds. Thus I found them more prone to humidity related problems (bud rot). I thought they could take higher levels of N without detriment to flower structure, relative to the more thai expressions I grew. This short plant was not an indica pheno. The sativa effects varried, but all phenos had cerebral effect for sure. No body effects.

hey Ncali! ditto on the malawi pheno in regards to higher levels of nitrogen. took a couple weeks to get the leaves to stop yellowing during late veg/early flower. added lots of nitrogen over a period of a week or so and she wasn't responding. was nervous she was getting too much, and then what seemed like overnight she turned a much darker green and retained her new color through harvest.

the many, many leaves on the malawi pheno combined with dense buds contributed to bud rot for me too. the buds were quite good sized and some had to be supported. this was outside in 50%-60% humidity and topped for four main stalks. culled rotted spots on buds during grow and at harvest too. still had bud rot continue to develop while drying. never experienced this before. lost 95%+ of malawi pheno to bud rot. must of missed some before drying, no? lol! smell was fruity pebbles and very strong.

thai pheno on same grow showed zero bud rot. topped her for four main stalks as well. had a few yellow leaves in late veg and just a little bit of nitrogen cured this easily. she grew big buds also but only the four main stalks received support. not much smell at all until late flower with tropical fruits detected only when very close to buds.

cloned the tops of both phenos and grew them out too. kept both cuttings outside in the shade in 80 degree plus days. checked for roots after about 10 days and there were hardly any on either pheno, and yet the stems and leaves were as green and healthy as when i took the cuttings. amazing! went ahead and put them in some 25 gallon pots with hardly any roots and they grew out fine. GT is the best strain i've ever cloned hands down.

malawi clone grew identical to her mom using the same nitrogen regime. for kicks and grins the thai clone received as much nitrogen as the malawi pheno, and she turned a darker green than her thai mom. as the cloned thai matured she became a bit lighter in color while remaining slightly darker than her mom. big buds on the cloned thai too yet no support needed. don't think the extra nitrogen made the thai clone grow any bigger, just darkened her up a bit.
 
the many, many leaves on the malawi pheno combined with dense buds contributed to bud rot for me too. the buds were quite good sized and some had to be supported. this was outside in 50%-60% humidity and topped for four main stalks. culled rotted spots on buds during grow and at harvest too. still had bud rot continue to develop while drying. never experienced this before. lost 95%+ of malawi pheno to bud rot. must of missed some before drying, no? lol! smell was fruity pebbles and very strong.

i'd like to add to the post above so as not dissuade anyone from growing golden tiger. after studying what may have been the cause of the bud rot on the golden tiger malawi pheno, the evidence is pointing towards septoria. the fungus first appeared on the leaves and then migrated into the buds.

i've seen this fungus before, but only on leaves. also, i've seen regular malawi grow close by without any problems. a different outcome may have been experienced with a bit of thinning out of the canopy and/or by placing the plant in a different location allowing more air movement.

the unaffected regular malawi was situated in a location with greater air movement and had a more open canopy as well.

live and learn, live and learn!
 

dubi

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This stuff doesn't look much, and she isn't much for a looker in the bag. I need to grow her again and dial her in more. Of the GT we grew, some fem some reg from the f1 release, we kept f1 #3 the more thai leaning girl. This is a great bud to mix into a joint or bowl for "added effect". By herself it's just stupifying stone at first, and settled into a good sativa experience... but just really strong.

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NC

Hi NCali,

Golden Tiger is indeed a very strong smoke! :biggrin:

I'm curious to know why did you finally choose the old regular F1 over the newer fem version.

It took me time to realize that the best concept for Golden Tiger was a Thai x Malawi hybrid (like current newer versions) instead of the old Malawi/Thai concept of the first F1 Golden Tiger release.
I really prefer the more complex Thai side from the Double Thai mixed with the New Killer Malawi phenos as a genetic recipe for current Golden Tiger releases.
 

dubi

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Hey Dubi. WHat's shakin'? SO I have a couple quick questions regarding the both the Golden Tiger, and Malawi strains. Both Regs. I was hoping for some info about Dominant and recessive traits on the Golden Tiger. The Malawi Seems pretty ubiquitous. I'm hoping to cross the GT with an Local Outdoor strain in the hopes of imparting a tendency towards a broader terpene profile. I'm not super impressed with the Traditional Haze Hybrids. SO I'm hoping to get My hands on your Lebanese. I think I saw it in the; "whats coming from ace in 2017" thread.

Thoughts

ANy info you could give me would be much Appreciated.

Plaid=)

Hi PlaidBee,

Traditional dutch haze hybrids nowadays are not so good as they used to be 20 years ago or more ....

Regarding Golden Tiger dominant traits in hybrids, Golden Tiger tends to add lots of vigor, branching (a bigger outdoor structure), higher resin production, bigger trichome size, more potency, and deeper longer lasting effects to her hybrids. It's easy to improve Golden Tiger terpene profile by crossing her with a line with a terpene profile more of your taste.

The lebanese will be officially released early next year, but as Dr Kind pointed out, you can get the lebanese now if you send us an email to: [email protected]

Hope it helps with your doubts. Regards!
 

dubi

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Very new to posting, Long time lurker/learner here on the Ace pages.

Had a most successful Panama Haze grow as well as I had a small mandarin orange pheno Malawi plant next to it that was great smoke yet small yeild.

Anyways, I currently am running a Zam fem, GT fem, Malawi / panaMA Fem, PanaMA / BangiH fem.

I def have the early flowering stocky, short, compact pheno. I am 21 days into flower. Just am wondering what to expect from this pheno? Any and all info#advice is very welcome.

Thanks in advance!

Hi andlund930,

I'm very sorry i couldn't reply your question earlier. I have been travelling until almost mid November and i had to do a break from the forums. If anyone has an urgent question and i'm not available here in the forums please send us an email and we will assist you as fast as usual.

I would like to thank you for your interest in keep exploring our catalog after your first good experience with Panama Haze and Malawi. To answer your question, yes the shorter, darker GT phenos are more Malawi dominant (especially in current GT fem version), the thai phenos tend to be taller, with a lighter color and have a longer flowering time in average. The Malawi phenos indeed can take much higher levels of nitrogen than the thai phenos.

Hope you have had a good flowering and outcome with this second batch of genetics! :yes:
 

dubi

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How does this grab you? All three grown from seed, flowered at the same time, all Golden Tiger.

I won't say the shorter plants had any "indica" effect, but their growth habit and finishing time was significantly different

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Hi Dawn Patrol,

I think you grew the previous/intermediate Golden Tiger version in its F2-F3 stage, hence the variability between your plants. Current Golden Tiger versions are much more consistent and less variable nowadays.
 

dubi

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Hi stellarjay,

Thanks for sharing your experience. The Malawi phenos are less mold resistant than the thai phenos, as you experienced. But i don't think Malawi or GT Malawi phenos are very susceptible to mold ... if you had a Malawi regular flowering in the same climate and not affected by mold, my bet is that the affected one was a weaker plant in that regard or that concrete location had a problem with fungus.

You are right, our Golden Tiger mothers (very thai dominant) are the healthiest and most vigorous parental plants we have for cloning. ;)
 

Ncali

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Dubi, glad to see you back. I hope your holiday was enjoyable!

The true keeper from my first run of GT was in fact a hybrid type from a female pack of the most recent GT release. That plant leaned thai in terpene profile & effect but much more managable growth than the extreme thai expressions. This plant didn't clone well for whatever reason & we were not able to keep a mother. Close behind was our most thai expression, this plant was from your f1 re-release I previously mentioned. It is not so easy to grow and has good effect, but terpene could be better. But that might be bad growing by me, she needs more runs. In the end I figured I'd rather have a very thai GT f1 if I couldn't have that other plant.

I have 30+ ace gt beans from current release (both fem & regs), the remainder of the f1 pack, and a few hundred seeds from the f1 #3 and that other GT that died. No worries from my part, I will find Thai leaning GT expressions with good indoor growth characteristics. I did not have time For another GT grow due to other considerations and scheduling. I plan to search through more GT beans soon.

For me I hope to find Thai phenotypes with more manageable growth characteristics. Thai plants have added some of the most desirable terpenes & effects to modern cannabis in my humble opinion, it's just so hard to grow indoors. I know some folks like the incredible strength of Malawi, I just like malawi for its ability to take long flower sativa and not take too much away from canabanoid profile while adding positive characteristics to growth patterns. Malawi turns long flower sativas into good indoor plants while still good positive sativa high, in my experience anyways. You & Charlie know Malawi so much better, do you agree or think otherwise?

Next request: Honduras (Columbian type) x Malawi pls lol. Or double thai remake (or triple, new Chang mai lol?)

All the best Dubi, your passion in your work shows in your commitment to discuss topics with your consumers.

:tiphat:

NC

Hi NCali,

Golden Tiger is indeed a very strong smoke! :biggrin:

I'm curious to know why did you finally choose the old regular F1 over the newer fem version.

It took me time to realize that the best concept for Golden Tiger was a Thai x Malawi hybrid (like current newer versions) instead of the old Malawi/Thai concept of the first F1 Golden Tiger release.
I really prefer the more complex Thai side from the Double Thai mixed with the New Killer Malawi phenos as a genetic recipe for current Golden Tiger releases.
 

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