Going wheat free..

[THE PABLOS]

Actually... it's disgustingly easy to prove to yourself. Do it for one month so your body is clean(ish) and then eat something on your avoid list. You'll experience the reason why you shouldn't be eating it. Whether it's intestinal/stomach upset, bloating, headaches, disgusting gas... whatever, you'll know. Some foods take a day or so and are more subtle in their effects, most aren't.


When you re-evaluate according to blood type... it starts to make more sense.

Yes... the practices used by the meat and plant supplying industries are very destructive to the environment.



Quite true... they've always had omnivorous teeth because humans are omnivores. Period.

As previously stated... no. Meat has always been in the human diet. Even the essenes were supposed to have eaten raw/rotted meat. (Society that didn't cook anything)

Human genetics have not 'evolved' that quickly.

Yes... this is true aaaand, it doesn't have anything to do with what we should be eating... it's just a huge travesty that kills people is all.


I'm guessing you're not 'O' blood type. The opposite effect happens with my child and the other 'O' blood types I know.

Yeah, me too. My blood type is 'A' though, so it makes complete sense.

You're partway there, just need to prove it to yourself. Shockingly obvious once you're 'there'. lol

Stay Safe!

Not trying to prove or disprove anything bro....as far as blood typing diet. I'm A-....don't know what that means for diet...but I've come to my own conclusions on farmed animal proteins.

1. They all lead to heart disease and are the foundations of many other diseases...

2. As an addicted distance runner...my body told me to stop eating animal protein. Since doing so...I run that much better...feel cleaner. It started with meats..and then the dairy/eggs went..but I eat some fish...but that too..will eventually go

3. Any diet that informs me to engage in ingesting animal proteins...is not one I will follow. My body says no...so I say...no

4. I won't go into the lack of ethics...or the environmental impacts...coming from the meat industry.

5. I have a recurve bow...if I do eat any meat...that's how it will be taken

* Proof is in the pudding. I've proved to myself...that my diet works very well...for me. Nothing anyone can say...is going to change that. I've no complaints...and not interested in eating many dead animals. It's dead...probably killed in fear. peace out

 

[THE PABLOS]

where do you get b12 if not from animal sources? i mean back in the day not now when it can be put as a supplement.

from foraging plants...B12 comes from the dirt (that's where the animals pick it up). To this day..I leave a little dirt on fresh harvested veggies

* I have no lack of energy...rarely ever get sick...and am able to train (running) on mountain trails 65-70 mile each week. Plenty of protein...plenty of carbs

 

[Cool Moe]

Well i broke down and had a few wheat items over the past couple days...

Its hard bc a lot of the food I love or meals I enjoy have wheat as an ingredient.

I think I was wrong doing the all or nothing attitude....I am just going to not eat AS MUCH as i was. That will be easier. That way i can have pizza once a week or a burrito now and then.

Overall for me, all your contributions and the readings i have done did a great job of opening my eyes to how crazy most of our diets are, and that it is important to pay attention to what you eat.

Wassup theJointedOne, looks like peeps in here all have some strong opinions on food and diets! But along the lines of your original post, my biggest problem with the book "Wheat Belly" is that in framing a wheat-free diet as a weight loss technique, Dr. Davis does a huge disservice to those suffering from a very serious disease (celiac disease and/or gluten intolerance). If you're celiac, in many cases you'll be gaunt and malnourished from eating wheat. For these people wheat disrupts the food-absorption processes in their stomach. By eliminating wheat, many people with undiagnosed celiac disease will actually gain weight. So in my opinion, Dr. Davis might be painting with too broad of a brush.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Not trying to prove or disprove anything bro....as far as blood typing diet. I'm A-....don't know what that means for diet...but I've come to my own conclusions on farmed animal proteins.

1. They all lead to heart disease and are the foundations of many other diseases...

2. As an addicted distance runner...my body told me to stop eating animal protein. Since doing so...I run that much better...feel cleaner. It started with meats..and then the dairy/eggs went..but I eat some fish...but that too..will eventually go

3. Any diet that informs me to engage in ingesting animal proteins...is not one I will follow. My body says no...so I say...no

The information I put online here comes from working with all blood types... not just my own.

Your diet works very well for you because your blood type is "A", most likely secretor... and you should NOT be eating animal proteins as a constant part of your diet. This is not true for everyone... just people like you. The "A" blood type that is a 'non-secretor' can eat goat and lamb... more animal proteins... without issues. Just not a LOT of it every month.

1. Animal proteins do NOT lead to heart disease in the blood types that can handle them. Stop repeating the nonsense that it does for everyone. Wow. History is full of heart disease free, O blood types that ate a LOT of meat throughout their lives. People are different!

2. Yes, you run better because you quit eating stuff that's bad for your blood type. What works great for you is not going to work great for the other blood types. This is why traditional 'diets' and the food groups b.s. don't work equally well with all blood types. Choosing your foods by your blood type does.

3. Your attitude toward food is mainly because you've listened to your body. Good for you. You're not everyone though, so don't confuse your personal enlightenment as universal for everyone.


Don't stop listening to your body... please do stop telling everyone they have to eat the way you specifically do to feel good.

I put up a thread with the lists split up into specific blood types. There is a beneficial and avoid list for each blood type. I've put them up here. Grab the "A" beneficials and avoids lists and see how closely your diet agrees with your blood type.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised that you've figured out most of it on your own already.

where do you get b12 if not from animal sources? i mean back in the day not now when it can be put as a supplement.

When I have production up and running, I get my B12 from homemade tempeh. Tempeh is good for all blood types... when made from beans that are compatible. I believe I need a grinder to crack kidney beans though... too big to ferment without issues so far. Black bean is so divine... Northern bean is good for everyone... neutral and delicious.

Stay Safe!

 

[toughmudderdave]

I'm Type A Rh negative as well. I'm not a distance runner, but I do put in about 30 miles running per week along with a lifting regimen. Perfect blood stats (glucose, cholesterol, triglycerides etc) since I've lost the weight and began exercising.

I eat meat, dairy (mostly in the form of whey protein isolate). I've gone vegan before for about 9 months. I've gone wheat/gluten free for over 6 months. Never really felt any different on any diet and I am in tune with my body and how I "feel". The things I do try to keep to a minimum are simple carbs (sugar), and saturated fats.

At 53 years of age (come this March), I'm in better health than many half my age.

 

[THE PABLOS]

The information I put online here comes from working with all blood types... not just my own.

Your diet works very well for you because your blood type is "A", most likely secretor... and you should NOT be eating animal proteins as a constant part of your diet. This is not true for everyone... just people like you. The "A" blood type that is a 'non-secretor' can eat goat and lamb... more animal proteins... without issues. Just not a LOT of it every month.

1. Animal proteins do NOT lead to heart disease in the blood types that can handle them. Stop repeating the nonsense that it does for everyone. Wow. History is full of heart disease free, O blood types that ate a LOT of meat throughout their lives. People are different!

2. Yes, you run better because you quit eating stuff that's bad for your blood type. What works great for you is not going to work great for the other blood types. This is why traditional 'diets' and the food groups b.s. don't work equally well with all blood types. Choosing your foods by your blood type does.

3. Your attitude toward food is mainly because you've listened to your body. Good for you. You're not everyone though, so don't confuse your personal enlightenment as universal for everyone.


Don't stop listening to your body... please do stop telling everyone they have to eat the way you specifically do to feel good.

I put up a thread with the lists split up into specific blood types. There is a beneficial and avoid list for each blood type. I've put them up here. Grab the "A" beneficials and avoids lists and see how closely your diet agrees with your blood type.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised that you've figured out most of it on your own already.


When I have production up and running, I get my B12 from homemade tempeh. Tempeh is good for all blood types... when made from beans that are compatible. I believe I need a grinder to crack kidney beans though... too big to ferment without issues so far. Black bean is so divine... Northern bean is good for everyone... neutral and delicious.

Stay Safe!

Dude...I never told anyone to eat shit. Suggesting a plant based diet is in no way unhealthy to anyone. Non processed whole foods...can not be argued. Blood type or no.

If you want to eat animal proteins..believe you have it figured because of some fad with blood types and diet (which is not proven)....and if you don't think animal proteins are detrimental....eat away. None of my concern. It's your gamble...not mine.

Staying off refined sugars...processed foods...and basing a diet on plants can not be unhealthy. Can diet based on animal protein say the same? No. Again...I don't care what blood type.

You do not need to eat animal protein to live healthy. I don't care what blood type you are. I don't even see where meat makes anyone healthier...at all.

I run better...because I fucking train...body diet soul. It's a discipline...and contradicts that veggie diets hurt performance. I've found the exact opposite.

Moderation is a good word...and a good practice...if you feel the need to eat animal protein. I don't feel that need.

 

[THE PABLOS]

I'm Type A Rh negative as well. I'm not a distance runner, but I do put in about 30 miles running per week along with a lifting regimen. Perfect blood stats (glucose, cholesterol, triglycerides etc) since I've lost the weight and began exercising.

I eat meat, dairy (mostly in the form of whey protein isolate). I've gone vegan before for about 9 months. I've gone wheat/gluten free for over 6 months. Never really felt any different on any diet and I am in tune with my body and how I "feel". The things I do try to keep to a minimum are simple carbs (sugar), and saturated fats.

At 53 years of age (come this March), I'm in better health than many half my age.

Yeah dude...I follow some of your exploits. I'm almost 47...used to be a gym rat...water sports...but now concentrate on the trail running. Have a quality work out tree..push ups..pull ups..dips...run run run. All I do anymore. Getting down to Iggy Pop body fat...but still making gains...going further faster in form

Quit meat and drinking alcohol..about the same time...when I started getting serious about running. As I run...my body craves different things (sure you understand)...and sends me different thought waves. I just listen to what it says. The lower the fuel...the more the messages...mostly about fresh veggie/fruit juices these days...or a custom soda...coconut milk ice cream

...anyway it also sends me messages to quit ingesting some things...so again..I listen. One day I was running...and after being in deep in the run...it was decided..no more dairy. Kicking my ice cream habit was brutal. It was something I ran for...but after researching dairy and sugar combined...no more

I run cleaner...body functions lighter...not being on animal protein. I'm happier and healthier this way

* I've noticed that as time goes by...it's lots of little things that make the difference in how I feel. magnified..quickly..on the runs.

** I swear by pinto bean burritos...spoonfuls of molasses...organic apple cider vinegar...local honey...yerba mate teas...juicing fresh everyday. hydroponically feeding a hydroponic body system...gets me through the ugliness..of even brutal summer runs

*** PHing my piss is my latest thing. I check to see what the runs do to body PH...what certain foods do to body PH...etc..PH PH

 

[toughmudderdave]

As I run...my body craves different things (sure you understand)...

I do.

I run cleaner...body functions lighter...not being on animal protein. I'm happier and healthier this way

And there it is...It "works" for you, right? And that is what matters. I would never tell somebody that they can/cannot eat meat...or bagels...or rutabagas for that matter. I will speak of my studies and what has worked "for me". Do I think the Blood Type diet is "bunk"? I do. Especially when I hear that one can eat "all they want and never gain", or "You don't even need to exercise", or "you will lose/gain and settle into your predetermined weight (big WTF there). I had a friend rave about Atkins once. I'm not a fan of the Atkins diet. She ended up with rather severe headaches and "yo-yo'd" back up beyond her original weight.

I believe you said it in an earlier post..."Everything in moderation." and that's how I see it as well. Furthermore...I'm with you on the ice cream "gig". That shit is the bane of my existence. I used to consume mega quantities of that crap. No more. Also, I don't know where Hydro gets off saying that you're telling folks to eat a certain way. I didn't read any of your posts indicating that you were. If anything, I believe Hydro is summarily dismissing/discounting any and all counterpoints to his assertion(s).

Run well my friend. (I'm doing 8-10 miles tonight and I've got a half marathon this Sunday in Davis).

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Dude...I never told anyone to eat shit. Suggesting a plant based diet is in no way unhealthy to anyone.

Unless your blood type is "O".

I'm reinforcing that what you feel... coincides with the foods that are compatible with your blood type. A little look see through the lists and experimentation will prove to you that you're already on the right track.

What you're failing to notice is that I'm pointing out your preaching of animal proteins is completely based on your own experience and limited research. You're telling people to not eat animal proteins and for the "O" blood type at least... that's unhealthy.

Stay Safe!

 

[rasputin]

You're not everyone though, so don't confuse your personal enlightenment as universal for everyone.

Practice what you preach.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Practice what you preach.

I do... my experience happens to include all blood types, otherwise I'd only be talking about my own personal blood type.



Stay Safe!

 

[THE PABLOS]

Unless your blood type is "O".

I'm reinforcing that what you feel... coincides with the foods that are compatible with your blood type. A little look see through the lists and experimentation will prove to you that you're already on the right track.

What you're failing to notice is that I'm pointing out your preaching of animal proteins is completely based on your own experience and limited research. You're telling people to not eat animal proteins and for the "O" blood type at least... that's unhealthy.

Stay Safe!

Well then...we are just at odds. I do view animal proteins as unneeded and unhealthy. Anything that sits heavy in the guts...to me..is unhealthy. As I walk past a stack of meat...at a market...I'm not thinking it seems healthy at all. It's a dead pile of flesh

When you hear all the heart disease and cancer...what does the doctor say: reduce animal protein...cut processed foods and eat lots of fruits and veggies

* You will not convince me...eating a dead processed animal...that was held captive...slaughtered in fear...and shot with god knows what kind of hormones/antibiotics...and possibly raised on GMO feeds is a heathy food source.

** You will not convince me that even an organically raised free range animal...is healthier to eat than fresh veggies

Yes...I'm basing my opinion on my experience...but look at man..veggies and whole foods don't kill people. Are you telling me...that animal proteins don't? The lack of fat/obese vegetarians...should tell you something.

Your concepts with the blood types and diet...is theory. It's something you believe in...and maybe you are the one steering peeps wrong...again..based on this theory

edit: honestly...I can judge my health off my bowel movements. Meats...are not something that goes through the system well...no..they tend to hang up in the tract and linger. That is not good...rotting meat in the intestinal tracts..stands to reason

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Wow.

It's astounding how many people that just know they're right are trying to take the high road and make sure nobody is going to damage themselves through diet.

What a caring bunch!

I know meat isn't great for you. They tell me butter is bad. Ice cream makes you fat and has hormones. Salt isn't a food group. If you eat something that has a face you go to hell. If you eat vegetables you have glyphosate up to your eyeballs.

I love pork. Butter is a wonderful discovery. Dairy is one of the best things to happen to me. Salt can be a food group. I don't like eating what food eats... I need a face on my food... I like food and refuse to be scared of it... BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

I know I don't want to live forever and refuse to act like I'm trying to.

Food is good if you eat what you want to. It's your enemy when you treat it like one.

Maybe people got away from the fact that the thread starter was simply asking input on a wheatless diet....

Maybe somebody needs a big bowl of chocolate ice cream... or just a big bowl.

Back to Doctor Oz now...

Oh yeah and VIVA BACON

PS Life itself is by definition unhealthy. It's sexually transmitted and always fatal. You have a full blown case too.

 

[Tronic]

Wow.

It's astounding how many people that just know they're right are trying to take the high road and make sure nobody is going to damage themselves through diet.

What a caring bunch!

I know meat isn't great for you. They tell me butter is bad. Ice cream makes you fat and has hormones. Salt isn't a food group. If you eat something that has a face you go to hell. If you eat vegetables you have glyphosate up to your eyeballs.

I love pork. Butter is a wonderful discovery. Dairy is one of the best things to happen to me. Salt can be a food group. I don't like eating what food eats... I need a face on my food... I like food and refuse to be scared of it... BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

I know I don't want to live forever and refuse to act like I'm trying to.

Food is good if you eat what you want to. It's your enemy when you treat it like one.

Maybe people got away from the fact that the thread starter was simply asking input on a wheatless diet....

Maybe somebody needs a big bowl of chocolate ice cream... or just a big bowl.

Back to Doctor Oz now...

Oh yeah and VIVA BACON

PS Life itself is by definition unhealthy. It's sexually transmitted and always fatal. You have a full blown case too.

Right on mustard man!

Everyone calm the fuck down a little. Sheesh.

I kinda view food intake like religion. Do what you want just keep it to yourself and me out of it.

That being said fat people piss me off just as much as the obnoxious religious nuts yelling at every passerby about their 'sins'

Nobody likes extremists.

 

[toughmudderdave]

So since canines (dogs) and other animals have different blood types, I wonder if anyone told them that perhaps their diet could be better according to their blood type, yes?

 

[rasputin]

I do... my experience happens to include all blood types, otherwise I'd only be talking about my own personal blood type.

Nonsense. You're just preaching blood type astrology.

I'm going to do my homework on the matter because I'm genuinely curious. But you haven't provided anything substantial to support your claims. And appealing to your own anecdotal evidence just adds to the skepticism. You should have something stronger to stand on than that if this is all you say it's cracked up to be.

 

[DarthFader1]

Right on mustard man!

Everyone calm the fuck down a little. Sheesh.

I kinda view food intake like religion. Do what you want just keep it to yourself and me out of it.

That being said fat people piss me off just as much as the obnoxious religious nuts yelling at every passerby about their 'sins'

Nobody likes extremists.

Don't know about everyone else but i lol'ed when i got to this bit.

Yeah fuck fat people aye, they're gross. I mean its ok to carry a little bit of extra fat around, but being fat to the point of obese is just disgusting. I think last figures in my country around 50% were classed as obese. pretty sick really.

As you were peeps, between the cock waving there's some good info being dropped here

Btw arguing who's diet is better is like flogging dead horse

There is no one right answer and one's approach to diet / exercise should be tailored specifically for the individual, and should also be changing slightly over time as your needs change. Im keen to try this no wheat / gluten diet just to see if i can notice any changes, hey maybe my penis will grow larger also!!

peace darth

 

[village green]

As a long time student of nutrition I'm enjoying everyone's posts keep it up. I have no knowledge to prove or disprove anyone's positions. Our bodies are so complex and illustrate the limits of causative inference. There is no way to argue with the functioning of Pablos and Toughmudderdave. I do well to hike up and down Appalachian bluffs for a mile or two but that is an improvement from a few months ago. Movement was impossible on some days to the point that I would piss in jars rather than attempt to make it to the toilet. My joints were inflamed with gout. I now try to avoid sugar, processed foods, beans, cheese, wheat and vegetable oils. My diet consists of meat, eggs, fruit, grass-fed butter, coconut oil, vegetables, rice, potatoes, and olive oil. I could see going all plant based. Juice fasts make my joints feel like the Tin Man when they would oil him up. It's not all about low-carb although Atkins made the weight fall off 15 years ago. Even he said you get one shot at the well...after that you never get quite the same chance again. The weight won't budge and you don't feel healthy. I'm O+ by the way.

 

[oldbootz]

YOLO

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Well then...we are just at odds. I do view animal proteins as unneeded and unhealthy. Anything that sits heavy in the guts...to me..is unhealthy. As I walk past a stack of meat...at a market...I'm not thinking it seems healthy at all. It's a dead pile of flesh

Your perspective. Your blood type.

I feel the same way when I think about 'digesting' that dead flesh... I still love the taste, just won't touch it with a 10' pole. I eat that and my whole metabolism slows down and I want to fall asleep. I get an overall 'bad' feeling. I can tell you for the next 3 days exactly where that piece of flesh is currently residing in my digestive tract because of the gas and pain. It does horrible things to me when it's in my colon.

That's me... an A 'secretor' eating red meat... after not having eaten it for over a year.

My 3yr old? O 'secretor'
2oz of red meat and they're bouncing off the walls with energy, metabolism up and a great attitude. No red meat animal proteins for 3 days and the attitude changes to that of the neighbor's child. Cranky and irritable... lowered mood control and energy levels.

Doesn't matter what 'vegetarian' proteins they get or how much of them... the difference is the meat. Everyone I know who's 'O' has the same reaction.

Theory? Not for my family, myself and those I've shared it with. Starting to get to the point I can tell what someone's blood type is by looking at them, especially if they list off their main diet.

Sucks to see two parents of different blood types... having 4 kids, 3 skinny as a rail and one porky. You look at what they're eating and you'll find that the food is more aligned for the skinny's blood type in the family. My wife and I both have fathers with "O", which explains why our child is "O"... when neither of us are. These are the families that often have fat parents and a skinny kid or the opposite.

What they're eating isn't neutral for all the blood types in the family.

Theory? Not to me it isn't... I've seen it in action. It's dangerous... but anyone with the B blood type can prove how powerful diet is to themselves. Eat chicken 3-4 times a week. Eat salads with tomatoes and romaine lettuce. Use a low-calorie spritz salad dressing. Eat the fish on the avoids list for B when you're not eating healthy chicken (get the BEST chicken you can find... won't matter).

I guarantee you'll gain weight, besides feeling sluggish and a whole bunch of other issues... even while working out. Add just 2 snickers bars a week and it'll increase the speed you put on weight... even if that's the only 'cheating' you do.

It's ridiculous walking around the public these days. The number of conversations I overhear about the health issues in people's 'families' that I've found to be attributable to the food people eat. The pills they bitch about... heart disease, kidney stones, arthritis, overweight and on and on and on about the doctors and 'treatments' that don't work and the side effects. All crap that is completely eliminated or at least significantly reduced through food choices. Wow.


People are almost completely programmed though. so I have to to those that pay attention when I offer assistance. They're rare... but I do run into people that seek information and go look stuff up themselves. I prefer that to people that want me to hold their hand and stuff every last detail into their head personally. lol Get a life... I have one and I'm occupied with other stuff, already looked it up once and have extensive experience with it... or I wouldn't be mentioning it. lol

My hat goes off to the intellectually curious. I have strong desires to resist the urge to cross the street to piss on the flames of the intellectually dead. I'd still put the flames out, that's who I am... I just wouldn't appreciate having to dodge traffic to do it. lol

The Secretor and Non-Secretor status thing. It's helpful to know when looking at the lists for wheat.. I'm "A" secretor, found that out by eating bananas. They're either neutral or avoid for my blood type and they clog me up like dairy. Between that and a few other food reactions... I was able to determine that my status is 'secretor'.

O is easy as well. If you can chug a cup of real maple syrup or honey and it doesn't bother you... you're O 'secretor'. If it bothers you, you're a 'non-secretor'.

I don't remember the foods we used for B or AB... if I remember correctly they have identifying foods as well. Was a lot cheaper than paying for anything off that website. We just use the lists. lol


Oh yeah... don't forget that your food choices are also affected by your genetic background. A food may be listed as neutral for your blood type... but if you have genetics of other blood types as well, some foods that are 'avoid' for those genetics will make a neutral food avoid for you too. It won't impact you as greatly as the blood type it's specifically 'avoid' for... but you'll know when you've eaten more than your body can comfortably handle. lol

Hope that helps.

Stay Safe!