Going wheat free..

[THE PABLOS]

Your perspective. Your blood type.

I feel the same way when I think about 'digesting' that dead flesh... I still love the taste, just won't touch it with a 10' pole. I eat that and my whole metabolism slows down and I want to fall asleep. I get an overall 'bad' feeling. I can tell you for the next 3 days exactly where that piece of flesh is currently residing in my digestive tract because of the gas and pain. It does horrible things to me when it's in my colon.

That's me... an A 'secretor' eating red meat... after not having eaten it for over a year.

My 3yr old? O 'secretor'
2oz of red meat and they're bouncing off the walls with energy, metabolism up and a great attitude. No red meat animal proteins for 3 days and the attitude changes to that of the neighbor's child. Cranky and irritable... lowered mood control and energy levels.

Doesn't matter what 'vegetarian' proteins they get or how much of them... the difference is the meat. Everyone I know who's 'O' has the same reaction.

Theory? Not for my family, myself and those I've shared it with. Starting to get to the point I can tell what someone's blood type is by looking at them, especially if they list off their main diet.

Sucks to see two parents of different blood types... having 4 kids, 3 skinny as a rail and one porky. You look at what they're eating and you'll find that the food is more aligned for the skinny's blood type in the family. My wife and I both have fathers with "O", which explains why our child is "O"... when neither of us are. These are the families that often have fat parents and a skinny kid or the opposite.

What they're eating isn't neutral for all the blood types in the family.

Theory? Not to me it isn't... I've seen it in action. It's dangerous... but anyone with the B blood type can prove how powerful diet is to themselves. Eat chicken 3-4 times a week. Eat salads with tomatoes and romaine lettuce. Use a low-calorie spritz salad dressing. Eat the fish on the avoids list for B when you're not eating healthy chicken (get the BEST chicken you can find... won't matter).

I guarantee you'll gain weight, besides feeling sluggish and a whole bunch of other issues... even while working out. Add just 2 snickers bars a week and it'll increase the speed you put on weight... even if that's the only 'cheating' you do.

It's ridiculous walking around the public these days. The number of conversations I overhear about the health issues in people's 'families' that I've found to be attributable to the food people eat. The pills they bitch about... heart disease, kidney stones, arthritis, overweight and on and on and on about the doctors and 'treatments' that don't work and the side effects. All crap that is completely eliminated or at least significantly reduced through food choices. Wow.


People are almost completely programmed though. so I have to to those that pay attention when I offer assistance. They're rare... but I do run into people that seek information and go look stuff up themselves. I prefer that to people that want me to hold their hand and stuff every last detail into their head personally. lol Get a life... I have one and I'm occupied with other stuff, already looked it up once and have extensive experience with it... or I wouldn't be mentioning it. lol

My hat goes off to the intellectually curious. I have strong desires to resist the urge to cross the street to piss on the flames of the intellectually dead. I'd still put the flames out, that's who I am... I just wouldn't appreciate having to dodge traffic to do it. lol

The Secretor and Non-Secretor status thing. It's helpful to know when looking at the lists for wheat.. I'm "A" secretor, found that out by eating bananas. They're either neutral or avoid for my blood type and they clog me up like dairy. Between that and a few other food reactions... I was able to determine that my status is 'secretor'.

O is easy as well. If you can chug a cup of real maple syrup or honey and it doesn't bother you... you're O 'secretor'. If it bothers you, you're a 'non-secretor'.

I don't remember the foods we used for B or AB... if I remember correctly they have identifying foods as well. Was a lot cheaper than paying for anything off that website. We just use the lists. lol


Oh yeah... don't forget that your food choices are also affected by your genetic background. A food may be listed as neutral for your blood type... but if you have genetics of other blood types as well, some foods that are 'avoid' for those genetics will make a neutral food avoid for you too. It won't impact you as greatly as the blood type it's specifically 'avoid' for... but you'll know when you've eaten more than your body can comfortably handle. lol

Hope that helps.

Stay Safe!

A gigantic truth: people are out of touch with their food...and because of it...they will suffer. It's true the body will die in the end...but between here and there...there are some choices on how form can be held. You can choose to respect the temple...or you can be oblivious to apathetic and pay your hospital bills. The best health care in the world...is not insurance...it's diet.

Foods are a necessary addiction. They can be positive addictions or negative addictions...just like anything else. When you see overweight/fat/obese people...you are seeing people...who have lost control of their addiction...and therefore..are negatively addicted.

The foods that industry creates...through mass marketing...industrialized farming..synthetics..are designed to addict people to a product. The portions are out of whack...often extremely overboard...and yet the body is tricked into wanting more. Refined sugar and refined dairy are tools of this trade. Both are highly addictive....blended in a vast assortment of products...and spread near and far.

The intention is to keep people sick...and keep people addicted. There are many industries profiting off this method of consumerism. It pays well for them...

* My last question: would there be all these sick people if plant based diets were implemented...rather than diets...based in processed animal proteins?

 

[SeaMaiden]

Nonsense. You're just preaching blood type astrology.

I'm going to do my homework on the matter because I'm genuinely curious. But you haven't provided anything substantial to support your claims. And appealing to your own anecdotal evidence just adds to the skepticism. You should have something stronger to stand on than that if this is all you say it's cracked up to be.

A page or three back I did just that, hit Serius and Google Scholar. I found one paper that addressed, seriously, the doctor's claim that blood type and personality are significantly correlated. Wanna know what they found? No significant relationship. I'm pretty sure I am now on 'ignore' because the one proponent here has yet to address the dearth of papers, peer reviewed studies, that should be supporting his assertions.

 

[SeaMaiden]

* My last question: would there be all these sick people if plant based diets were implemented...rather than diets...based in processed animal proteins?

Yes. You have been asserting that animal-based foods are the cause of heart disease, however, the science hasn't actually shown that. What the science has shown is a greater correlation between heart disease and a diet high in refined carbohydrates, irrespective of meat or meat type consumption, and low in fibrous vegetable matter (greens). Bread is plant-based, so are potato and corn chips and a whole slew of junk foods, and it is those foods that are likely the leading contributors to both heart diseases and cancers.

It is my opinion that intelligence can be used with regard to animal-based foodstuffs. E.G. try eating some bugs, like escargot. Keep it to grass- or pasture-fed animals, organically raised makes a huge difference in both the quality of the protein and the fats provided.

Since so many here seem to eschew the notion of using a dietitian and instead continually refer to doctors, I won't go into what the human nutrition professionals have to say on the matter. However, I will point folks toward Melinda Hemmelgarn.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Yes. You have been asserting that animal-based foods are the cause of heart disease, however, the science hasn't actually shown that. What the science has shown is a greater correlation between heart disease and a diet high in refined carbohydrates, irrespective of meat or meat type consumption, and low in fibrous vegetable matter (greens). Bread is plant-based, so are potato and corn chips and a whole slew of junk foods, and it is those foods that are likely the leading contributors to both heart diseases and cancers.

It is my opinion that intelligence can be used with regard to animal-based foodstuffs. E.G. try eating some bugs, like escargot. Keep it to grass- or pasture-fed animals, organically raised makes a huge difference in both the quality of the protein and the fats provided.

Since so many here seem to eschew the notion of using a dietitian and instead continually refer to doctors, I won't go into what the human nutrition professionals have to say on the matter. However, I will point folks toward Melinda Hemmelgarn.

What science has shown animal proteins are not a significant part of heart disease? Also...why eat meats if they are not needed for diet? Do you consider meat healthy and necessary? Is it globally sustainable?

I agree...processed foods are the biggest problem...but I also must point out...the impacts of farming meat on environment. It takes more land to raise the meats..more land to grow their feeds...and more water to sustain them. Then there is..the lack of ethical treatment for the animals themselves. It's a bad deal...all way round.

I'd wager you...that a plant based diet would make for a healthier population of people....even if they continued to abuse themselves on the procession. Though...people have been trained/made addicted to an overabundance of salts, refined sugar, and saturated fats...less of those are found in plant based whole foods...so imo...yeah...a plant based diet is going to be healthier. Eat a bag of chips and a steak or eat a bag of chips and a salad...which is healthier?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Upon rather rigorous weighing of all of this thread... I've decided on the French diet.

Loaded with fats and sweets and saturated in wine.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Upon rather rigorous weighing of all of this thread... I've decided on the French diet.

Loaded with fats and sweets and saturated in wine.

don't forget the cigarettes

 

[exploziv]

My meal for today, as wheat free as it can get..



Dunno what blood type I have, but I like fruits!

 

[toughmudderdave]

...but I also must point out...the impacts of farming meat on environment. It takes more land to raise the meats..more land to grow their feeds...and more water to sustain them. Then there is..the lack of ethical treatment for the animals themselves. It's a bad deal...all way round.

Michael Pollan, in his "The Omnivore's Dilemma", this issue is brought to the readers attention to a great extent. He discusses the impact of CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) and the disgusting conditions the animals are kept in not to mention the impact of said CAFO has on the environment (especially water runoff into streams). He describes "The Killing Floor" as well.

I heard not to long ago where an elk hunter had the opportunity to have a tour of a slaughterhouse. Mind you, this is a guy who hunts elk, kills them, guts them, dresses them, right? After his tour he stopped eating "mass produced" meats and refused to talk about what he saw on the killing floor.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Michael Pollan, in his "The Omnivore's Dilemma", this issue is brought to the readers attention to a great extent. He discusses the impact of CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) and the disgusting conditions the animals are kept in not to mention the impact of said CAFO has on the environment (especially water runoff into streams). He describes "The Killing Floor" as well.

I heard not to long ago where an elk hunter had the opportunity to have a tour of a slaughterhouse. Mind you, this is a guy who hunts elk, kills them, guts them, dresses them, right? After his tour he stopped eating "mass produced" meats and refused to talk about what he saw on the killing floor.

I've been to cattle stockades up in Riverside...and over in Arizona. I gave up using any slaughterhouse byproducts in my gardening (blood meal/bone meal) because of what I saw. Not even a slaughterhouse...just the stockades are disgusting and sad to see.

People talk about saving the rain forests...but as they eat their steaks...are they aware of how much of them are being cut down...for cattle grazing? It's a growing world...adjustments must be made...by us..and in our mentalities. My opinion.

I'm an occasional hunter...no issues with taking wild game...but in all honesty...I don't do it very often...just because I don't feel the need. I do understand conservation...and that's why I point out the extent of resources used to farm animal proteins. It's not like harvesting deer.

* I'll check out any literature that supports the farming of meats as sustainable...because I just don't see it

** I'm not PETA...but slaughterhouses are unethically...unnecessarily cruel. Not interested in consuming foods begot in such a fashion

 

[mean mr.mustard]

 

[Hydro-Soil]

A page or three back I did just that, hit Serius and Google Scholar. I found one paper that addressed, seriously, the doctor's claim that blood type and personality are significantly correlated. Wanna know what they found? No significant relationship.

Since when have I said one word (up until now) about blood type and personality?

My attitude on the subject? WhotFcares? Does it seem to generally pan out that way... mmmmmmm, sort of... Do I care? No.

Why? Because it doesn't change the effects of the food choices one bit. It's in the same realm of whether or not the Dr. believes aliens make soup for him every day. Couldn't care less, as long as the information is sound.

To anyone who employs it properly... they find it is sound.


I've said everything I need to say in this thread. Anyone with a brain and some time to read what's been posted will know there's at least something that needs to be looked into in the blood type information. The more programmed you are... the more difficult it will be for you to do this. That's life.

I'm out of this thread. I wish those of you who embark on the journey to change their diet for the better... a grand adventure. I look forward to hearing about how implementing the blood type information has dramatically improved your life.

to everyone else for contributing and thanks to TheJointedOne for starting this whole mess. I'm stepping down off my soap box.

*unsubscribed*

Stay Safe!

 

[rasputin]

Came across this during my morning news reads... thought it was timely considering Pablo's posts regarding a diet including meat and the subsequent posts that disagreed with him.

Not that you should need a study, from Oxford or otherwise, to tell you meat, specifically red meat, is not exactly good for you. At least not in the quantities people today consume.. but to hear some here tell it, it's something we've always gorged on and so if for no other reason than that or your blood type that somehow makes it good...

Researchers from the University of Oxford have analysed the diets of almost 45,000 volunteers in England and Scotland, to compare the rates of heart disease in those who do, and don’t eat meat and fish.

The study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, found that vegetarians had a 32 per cent lower risk of falling ill or dying from heart disease.

Dr Francesca Crowe, who lead the team from the university’s cancer epidemiology unit, said: “Most of the difference in risk is probably caused by effects on cholesterol and blood pressure, and shows the important role of diet in the prevention of heart disease.”

The research was funded by Cancer Research UK and the Medical Research Council, and began recruiting volunteers to take part during the 1990s. Around a third of the participants were vegetarian.

The volunteers were asked detailed questions about their diet and exercise, as well as other factors which might affect health, like smoking, alcohol consumption, and educational and socio-economic background.

Those who didn’t eat meat or fish had lower blood pressures and levels of cholesterol than the others, which the experts concluded was the main factor behind the reduced risk of heart disease.

Other research already shows people are already becoming inclined to eat less meat. Global food trends agency Thefoodpeople carried out a study earlier this month, predicting a 50 per cent surge in vegetarianism in the UK.

They also found the number of people adopting a semi-meat, or flexitarian diet was also rapidly increasing. The agency’s director, Charles Banks described it as a mega-trend: “20 years ago vegetarianism was scoffed at, but of late there has been a seismic shift in attitudes towards celebrating vegetables and opting to eat less meat.”…

And full disclosure... I fucking love a juicy cheeseburger and a well-seasoned, medium rare porterhouse. Everyone evolves at their own pace.

 

[SeaMaiden]

What science has shown animal proteins are not a significant part of heart disease? Also...why eat meats if they are not needed for diet? Do you consider meat healthy and necessary? Is it globally sustainable?

I'm referring to a study done I think back in the 90s. Two populations were compared--traditional Greeks on a small island, and traditional Japanese on a small island. I first read it in an issue of Sci-Am (that I no longer have, it's been a few years). The surprising result was that even though the Greeks ate more meat, they had far lower rates of heart disease (since we're being specific to that, though they also measured cancer rates, IIRC). After much searching, comparison, yadda yadda yadda, they came to the conclusion that it was the amount of rice and other processed carbohydrates in the Japanese diet that accounted for their higher rates of disease. I'll have to look for the study, I can't recall the name of it.

As for animal proteins, I had hoped I qualified my answers well enough. Your assertion that meats are not necessary is one I find debatable, so I cannot accept that initial premise as true. Humans would not have evolved our large brains in absence of this, and the archaeology seems to continue to point to this as true.

Eating 'animal' based protein could certainly be globally sustainable, but not using CAFO methods and not by keeping it to macro-fauna only. I wasn't kidding about the bugs.

I agree...processed foods are the biggest problem...but I also must point out...the impacts of farming meat on environment. It takes more land to raise the meats..more land to grow their feeds...and more water to sustain them. Then there is..the lack of ethical treatment for the animals themselves. It's a bad deal...all way round.

CAFO methods, absolutely agreed. Organic methods, foraging methods, not so much. I think it can absolutely be done sustainably. We'll have to enlarge our group of acceptable meats, of course. Oyster mariculture is one means of acquiring high quality animal protein where very little impact on the surrounding environment is experienced. In fact, you pretty much set it and forget it. Same with escargot.

I'd wager you...that a plant based diet would make for a healthier population of people....even if they continued to abuse themselves on the procession. Though...people have been trained/made addicted to an overabundance of salts, refined sugar, and saturated fats...less of those are found in plant based whole foods...so imo...yeah...a plant based diet is going to be healthier. Eat a bag of chips and a steak or eat a bag of chips and a salad...which is healthier?

Primarily plant-based, yes, but remember that all those carbohydrates that are what are likely contributing more towards our obesity and disease rates are plant-based. So really, IMO it should be vegetable-based, high in fiber, fresh if possible, as much as possible, with very little meat.

Our problem, as a nation, in my opinion, has as much to do with portions as what we choose to eat. However, having put to practice the concept of consuming only sustainable meat and animal products, which means wild-caught (only where sustainable!) and/or organic, along with lowering the total amount of meat consumed, I don't see why it's not possible to continue with a diet for which I am adapted and not make a huge negative impact, globally-speaking, at the same time.

Let me see if I can find that study (I'll also reference that dietitian here again, I get much of my information from her through her dietitian listserves, etc).
This isn't exactly the study, but it mentions it.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/61/6/1360S.short

 

[SeaMaiden]

Since when have I said one word (up until now) about blood type and personality?

Uh.. haven't you read his book yourself? That's one of the main premises, that blood type has a relation to personality and diet.

My attitude on the subject? WhotFcares? Does it seem to generally pan out that way... mmmmmmm, sort of... Do I care? No.

Why? Because it doesn't change the effects of the food choices one bit. It's in the same realm of whether or not the Dr. believes aliens make soup for him every day. Couldn't care less, as long as the information is sound.

If you don't care, why do you spend so much time pushing this on people? It's almost like you have something to sell.

To anyone who employs it properly... they find it is sound.


I've said everything I need to say in this thread. Anyone with a brain and some time to read what's been posted will know there's at least something that needs to be looked into in the blood type information. The more programmed you are... the more difficult it will be for you to do this. That's life.

Anyone with a brain will quickly be able to find the truth, agreed.

I'm out of this thread. I wish those of you who embark on the journey to change their diet for the better... a grand adventure. I look forward to hearing about how implementing the blood type information has dramatically improved your life.

But, nothing else? You're not interested in how Dave's change in diet drastically improved his lab results and his body? His life? Oh, that's right, it wasn't the blood type diet so it's a non-starter in your world.

to everyone else for contributing and thanks to TheJointedOne for starting this whole mess. I'm stepping down off my soap box.

*unsubscribed*

Stay Safe!

Promise?

 

[THE PABLOS]

I'm referring to a study done I think back in the 90s. Two populations were compared--traditional Greeks on a small island, and traditional Japanese on a small island. I first read it in an issue of Sci-Am (that I no longer have, it's been a few years). The surprising result was that even though the Greeks ate more meat, they had far lower rates of heart disease (since we're being specific to that, though they also measured cancer rates, IIRC). After much searching, comparison, yadda yadda yadda, they came to the conclusion that it was the amount of rice and other processed carbohydrates in the Japanese diet that accounted for their higher rates of disease. I'll have to look for the study, I can't recall the name of it.

As for animal proteins, I had hoped I qualified my answers well enough. Your assertion that meats are not necessary is one I find debatable, so I cannot accept that initial premise as true. Humans would not have evolved our large brains in absence of this, and the archaeology seems to continue to point to this as true.

Eating 'animal' based protein could certainly be globally sustainable, but not using CAFO methods and not by keeping it to macro-fauna only. I wasn't kidding about the bugs.

CAFO methods, absolutely agreed. Organic methods, foraging methods, not so much. I think it can absolutely be done sustainably. We'll have to enlarge our group of acceptable meats, of course. Oyster mariculture is one means of acquiring high quality animal protein where very little impact on the surrounding environment is experienced. In fact, you pretty much set it and forget it. Same with escargot.

Primarily plant-based, yes, but remember that all those carbohydrates that are what are likely contributing more towards our obesity and disease rates are plant-based. So really, IMO it should be vegetable-based, high in fiber, fresh if possible, as much as possible, with very little meat.

Our problem, as a nation, in my opinion, has as much to do with portions as what we choose to eat. However, having put to practice the concept of consuming only sustainable meat and animal products, which means wild-caught (only where sustainable!) and/or organic, along with lowering the total amount of meat consumed, I don't see why it's not possible to continue with a diet for which I am adapted and not make a huge negative impact, globally-speaking, at the same time.

Let me see if I can find that study (I'll also reference that dietitian here again, I get much of my information from her through her dietitian listserves, etc).
This isn't exactly the study, but it mentions it.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/61/6/1360S.short

The Japanese were probably eating lots of eggs and fish as well. Rice is something I don't eat much of. Nor Soy. Maybe the Japanese ate far more processed food than the Greeks. If you are including processed food in the study...it's not really proving anything. I know their downsides..and the downsides of rice.

I've never once said...that people have not had a relationship with meat eating...but I'm skeptical on any science claiming that's what made our brains bigger. My claim is: meat is not necessary for health and that meat has far more downsides than do plants....not whether cave men survived on meats. I agree they ate meat..but I doubt they ate it all the time. I'd think their spears...clubs...bows/arrows...were used more to fend off attacks from wild beasts...and that they got their meat as opportunity hunters of wounded or weakened animals...or..stealing the kills off something else. Certainly was a way different time?

I absolutely believe eating animal proteins leads to heart disease and cancer. I'd rather see a study on meat based diet vs plant based diet..with no processed foods. I think the results would be way different. Then you want to go into cheeses, milk, butter, and eggs? My gosh..lots of downsides...very little upsides..saturated fats...overabundances of bad cholesterol...for years even the mainstream has preached that. Cook a piece of meat...and watch all the grease come off. wonderful stuff. I don't need a study to tell me that is probably something...I don't want to eat.

As far as sustainable...well ok...get the world to eat bugs. You can't even reason with them to stop eating processed foods..so thinking they'll be eating bugs and such...is far fetched. I understand the concepts...but I'm a realist...that may well happen in a small scale...but globally no way. oysters?....hard sell to many

It's good conversation...enjoyed my time here...but I'll be going the plant based...non processed...diet. Until something happens...like my body starts failing...I'll stay away from animal proteins...as much as...possible. If I can function at a high level without meats...why would I ever eat them again?

Proof is always in the pudding. I'm my own test pilot..and believe me..if becoming a vegan is detrimental to what I do...I'll own up to it. I've studied it from all angles...there is no downside. As I progress...I feel better..feel cleaner...feel healthier

* good read: The China Study

 

[SeaMaiden]

PABLOS, all I can do is suggest that you learn more about the science involved in determining ancient diets. It's not all guess work. There is good, hard science (strontium levels in teeth, for example) that demonstrates what primary diets were in ancient humans and their predecessors.

I'm not trying to convince you to eat animal-based sources of protein, I am pointing out that it's not the sole cause of heart disease as you're claiming, and that plant-based foods can indeed be, are indeed, often quite closely associated with disease.

If you went further, you'd see that the Greeks ate much the same types of meats, with about the same frequency. Same with eggs, and certainly more cheese. In fact, the Greeks eat far more meat than the Japanese, according to the study on which this paper is based. That's the rub, that's what was so unexpected, and that's what should be known.

Furthermore, more and more studies are coming out that are showing that organically raised, pastured or wild-foraged animal proteins may actually be just as beneficial as all that plant matter (which right now I insist on qualifying as vegetable matter).

I have a good friend who is vegan. She looks as though she's dying. I totally understand her reasons and reasoning for not eating any animal products, but if she wants to gain weight, and she does, she's going to have a hard time doing it vegan. And she has had a hard time doing it vegan, even eating all the nuts and fat-rich plants she's been eating. I've suggested that she try using some of my mother's recipes for fortified foods (she has recipes developed for different illnesses, allergies, and weight issues, extreme low weight being one of them, so she has lots of recipes for 'fortified' or calorie-dense foods), unfortunately, the way to gaining weight is to include animal-based food sources in the diet.

Had another young friend who was the same way, early 20s, rail thin and low energy levels. Another friend of his convinced him to just eat a fucking steak. Guess what started happening. Muscle mass began building up.

I don't have a huge sphere of influence, but the world should be eating more bugs, IMO.

 

[toughmudderdave]

I have a good friend who is vegan. She looks as though she's dying...

Oh she does.

I don't have a huge sphere of influence, but the world should be eating more bugs, IMO.

And less bacon. I'm fucking tired of hearing the bacon gluttons go on and on about that shit.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Oh she does.



And less bacon. I'm fucking tired of hearing the bacon gluttons go on and on about that shit.

I don't know if you noticed the adverts, but there's a show about bacon now. It's the latest meme.

 

[lost in a sea]

the fats in the animal depend on the fats in its food... and the fats in you depend on that..

it doesnt work to say animal vs plant fats,, also different plants have fats and oils with differing effects on health.. some prolong life some shorten it.. and gmo comes into it in the usa as well both in what the plant is designed to produce and what gmo shit the animal you eat was fed..

as for protein, we generally consume too much poor quality animal protein.. and it is unnatural to be doing so.. it makes up a high proportion of many people's diets, that simple sugars and starches..

protein as in flesh is just amino acids, plants contain protein but also vitamins/minerals and a wide variety of beneficial compounds..

people eating a simple starch+protein diet are always susceptible to high blood pressure and heart disease.. doesnt matter how the animal involved was reared, but intensively makes it much worse..

 

[toughmudderdave]

I don't know if you noticed the adverts, but there's a show about bacon now. It's the latest meme.

I know darlin...That's what I'm talking about. I mean, I like me a good BLT every now and then myself, but enough is enough. PABLOS said it himself...moderation. All these programs, all these people going on and on about bacon is nauseating. Americans consume over 1.7 billion pounds of bacon per year....ugh.

"The United States of Bacon"...For real? 12 episodes devoted to increasing the waistlines of the typical American couch potato??? And there's the host stuffing his pie hole while sporting a nice double chin along with a 40+ inch waistline!!! No wonder we need ObamaCare. How else are we going to be able to afford the healthcare cost(s) for all the obese Americans, eh?

I'll say this...If the average American wants to eat themselves to death...be my guest, just don't make me subsidize their health care to keep them alive from coronary heart disease while I busted my ass for years exercising and eating right to stay healthy.

Sorry about the rant everyone. I just take diet and fitness pretty seriously.