Global warming...fact or $$$$

[HempKat]

I like the last few points made which kind of say, ignore the question of whether global warming is real or not, man made or not. There are more immediate concerns that are more directly concerning to us as a species. Yeah sure, the planet can handle itself, it's survived numberous events in it's history capable of wiping out man or whatever the dominent species is at the time. Does that mean though that we should just say "Oh well, screw it then, if the planet can heal itself, then we need not change anything." This is essentially the position of people rejecting the man made global warming question. Just because the planet can heal itself does not mean man will survive in the process. Beyond that though is the fact that whether we're ultimately harming the planet we are most definately harming ourselves and if we want to stay around as long as possible then we need to change our ways.

The reason that we don't though is because it's not particularly profitable and the people that are most profitable with the status quo have not been forward thinking enough to remain profitable if we change. We already have the capability to do away with petroleum based energy. What we don't have though is the infrastructure to support it or the ability for everyone to afford the change and have the products of change still be profitable for the companies that make them. If the oil and coal industries had a safe, plentiful, renewable, cheap energy resource that could replace gas, coal and oil without needing to build a new infrastructure and without forcing everyone to have to buy new cars, electronics, homes, etc. Then you would see the coal and oil industry championing the cause of Global Warming in favor of changing to this new energy resource. That's not the case though and so you have these industries fighting the idea of Global Warming in favor of kicking the can down the road so that those in power today can keep making money, thier attitude is so what if life will be miserable or even disappear 100 years from now? They won't be around anymore to have to deal with it, so it's not their problem.

 

[LumpStatus]

I don't think you are seeing the bigger picture... in order for your renewable utopia to work, we would need one government that controlled the entire world. This would NOT be good for anyone. If the USA decIded to just outright ban all fossil fuels and anything that is bad for the environment, our country, countries all around the world would go bankrupt and turn to complete chaos on a global level. So is that better than the world warming up? Which is what will happen regardless if man were here or not.

 

[Avinash.miles]

just because govt. and private industry may exploit something doesnt make it untrue

 

[SeaMaiden]

I like the last few points made which kind of say, ignore the question of whether global warming is real or not, man made or not. There are more immediate concerns that are more directly concerning to us as a species. Yeah sure, the planet can handle itself, it's survived numberous events in it's history capable of wiping out man or whatever the dominent species is at the time. Does that mean though that we should just say "Oh well, screw it then, if the planet can heal itself, then we need not change anything." This is essentially the position of people rejecting the man made global warming question. Just because the planet can heal itself does not mean man will survive in the process. Beyond that though is the fact that whether we're ultimately harming the planet we are most definately harming ourselves and if we want to stay around as long as possible then we need to change our ways.

I think, at least, it is my opinion, that 'caring' about the environment is indeed ultimately, or perhaps I should say fundamentally a selfish thing. Because I agree, life will continue as long as habitable space exists (going into Melancholia mode for a moment, though that was complete, total, destruction, of, everything), but humans may not be so long for this earth.


So, IMO, both sides of the argument are being selfish.

 

[iampolluted]

we could do away with fossil fuels being used in auto's in 6-12 months. since Co legalized hemp, we could start more efficient uses of bio-diesel, and return to running cars on hemp oil. henry fords 1st car was made and powered by hemp. it's cheap, sustainable, and it won't harm the environment like strip mining, fracking, or drilling.

we can grow our way to a better planet, but dupont and others (oil, pharma and timber co.'s) have had a lock on keeping it so they can "create" better sources of energy and synthetics. we don't need to "create" anything when natural products exist that could prevent damaging the planet as we are now. hopefully, these days (of big oil and energy, timber, and pharma controlling energy, land development, and meds) are going to be coming to an end if we can keep the states laws intact.

 

[LumpStatus]

Do you have any idea how much hemp you would have to grow to supply ONLY the USA with enough fuel? Too much. Do you know how much it would cost to implement that into our society? Too much, how many trillions are we in debt right now? How much would it cost the average person to convert their car or buy a new one? Too much. Is the government going to buy us all new cars or convert our old ones? God I hope not. The cheapest cleanest most sustainable way to solve noir energy issues is using technology we already have. Nuclear power. For all our energy needs. Electric cars. But it would still be a slow process because not every e can afford a fancy new electric car.

You will NOT be able to fix the world with hemp or corn or anything. We need our land to grow and raise food.

 

[iampolluted]

there is no such thing as too much when our existence depends on change.. too much $ is what i hear people denying any change say. you can do a gas to hemp oil conversion for $500....too much? only for a tightwad who doesn't believe the climate is changing.

read the emperor wears no clothes by jack herer. hemp could do so much in the way of helping to save the planet. those who choose to think it's going to cost too much will be the 1st to fall by the wayside when things DO change. there are people working to save the planet using things like solar and wind, why the fuck should hemp be any different?

just because you THINK it won't work doesn't mean it won't. people once thought the moon and mars were unreachable. we can still grow our food on the same land as hemp....it's called a bumper crop.

btw hemp seed is more nutritious than just about any other seed on the planet. look it up.

http://www.theweedblog.com/can-your-car-run-on-hemp-fuel/
http://hemppermaculture.com/
http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Archive/News/Legalize/BioDemo/hempcar/hempcar.html
http://crrh.org/biodiesel/
http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/how-to-run-on-free-vegetable-oil-in-8-easy-steps/

i could keep posting links but i think you may get the idea...

 

[LumpStatus]

The problem is you're basing all of your information on the fact that the earth is warming. What you're not thinking about is that if we stop burning fossil fuels today the earth would continue to warm then it would start to cool then it would start to warm again and nobody can control it and they never will.

So we are going to solve all the worlds problems by growing hemp? We don't need land for anything else? We don't need to grow any other fruits and vegetables? Since it's so nutritious? Are you going to convince China to stop burning fossil fuels in start growing hemp? Or are we going to be the only country growing hemp and starving?

I completely agree that growing hemp is a great idea and could definitely help the world in some ways but it is not going to solve our energy issues. I don't see hemp alone as being able to power all of our vehicles, all our homes all our businesses, making all our clothing, paper, and at the same time feed the entire world. I am no scientist but it seems a bit far fetched.

 

[LumpStatus]

You got me thinking now....how much water would it take to keep these crops aliv we have quite a problem with water in this country as well

 

[Suspect]

Just came across this page. Gonna take a further look at it.

http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf

 

[sweetestsin420]

like i said,i am not an expert on the subject,but id say its NOT selfish caring for our planet,why not?we as a specie,owe our very existence to our planet,to the earth,without it,we could not even EXIST,so selfish for caring for our very existence??selfish,na lol

when i think if a "renewable" utopia,even hemp would not be the ultimate cure,like somebody said^^,we would have to grow MASSIVE amounts of hemp,to cover energy needs,biofuel,food,paper,etc,yes its more ecofriendly by a landslide,but hemp is not the end all,i would say something like massive wind turbines,iv even seen ocean floor turbines,things like antimatter(in the veryyyy future)..a single gram of antimatter can power a spaceship to orbit,or something like that.but it would take theoritcally millions of years to get even a single gram of antimatter.

farming is not the answer,as farming has its very obvious and very negative impacts..things like runoff pullution,chemicals,etc,big agri is big agri,een if its hemp,its still mass industrial farming.

i say we,as a species,if we intend to survive the next 500 years,we really have to put research into safe,affordable,economical enegry and industrial needs,

its obviosly a very complex issue,with facts all around the tables,from both sides,the "treehuggers" and the oil guzzlers,but its a real issue.i care for my planet,our trees and animals,even ants,have as much right to be in this earth as we do.and we as the so called dominant species of the planet,ARE in charge of taking care of it.

 

[iampolluted]

i never said hemp was a be-all end-all to climate change, but it'd be hell of a jump forward in terms of renewables.

why couldn't we replicate the brazilian model by replacing gas/oil to run our cars on sugar cane based ethanol or hemp cellulose for ethanol?

"Pull up to most service stations in this country of 185 million people and you will find fuel pumps offering three choices: ethanol, gasoline or premium gasoline. The labels are slightly misleading: The gasoline varieties are blends that contain at least 20 percent ethanol. The pure ethanol is usually significantly cheaper -- 53 cents per liter (about $2 per gallon), compared with about 99 cents per liter for gasoline ($3.74 per gallon) in Sao Paulo this past week." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/19/AR2006081900842.html

btw...hemp requires less water than cotton, and is grown on land which is incapable of human food production, thus not disrupting human food supply. Hemp can be grown in many climates around the world, it is a very fast growing plant which matures in under three months in optimal conditions. The plants themselves are very resistant to pests, droughts and can handle freezing temperatures without sustaining damage.

corn can't say the same. yet we produce, 12.1 billion bushels per year.

i'm not saying it'll save the planet by itself, but it is sure as hell a step in the right direction imo.

 

[Buddy Holly]

lumpstatus, you need to read some more dude. highly opinionated and poorly informed is no way to go through life.

and seamaiden, selfish by thinking about protecting the environment? hell maybe you actually did get that knock on the head you wont stop bringing up because to think that you must be a little dazed and confused.

some people care about the environment because they understand full well the earth is not ours, its on a loan to us from our children.

 

[LumpStatus]

Look who's back

Even the uninformed can have an opinion. But can you be more specific?

I would love to be as informed as you are. You seem to know everything about everything. Which is why I never cared to converse much with you on other topics.

My argument was that hemp isn't going to solve our energy crisis. I am all for clean environment and reducing pollution so we can all breathe easier. But at what cost? We have significantly cleaned up our act in the last 50+ years and have made great progress in cleaning up our environment, and reduced our pollution. Thinking that this is going to change anytime in the near future no matter what technology is available to us is crazy. But as you can see progress is being made.

Nuclear power. Clean. Efficient. Capable of powering our entire country for a really long time. Technology we already have. Electric cars are doing nothing for the environment if we are charging them with power that's created by burning coal. Everything takes money....and that's something this country and many others don't have...right now...

 

[Mia]

its on a loan to us from our children.

You live in an interesting reality where nonexistent entities "loan" you things. Are you sure it's not your imaginary grandchildren? After all your logic doesn't compute too well, does it? Turtles all the way down....
How long did it take you to reach this magical place of logical contradiction?

 

[ijim]

We need a world population revolution. We need to reduce by half to reduce using natural resources. But money people need a larger population so to have larger market shares.
The weather has never stopped changing since the beginning. Greenland is becoming what the Vikings found again. The eastern mountains were cut from retreating glaciers. There once was huge forest where there is now desert. Things need to change. But anything you hear about change from corporations and government. Will be all about taking money out of your pocket. And placing it in theirs. The world is about taking what you can now. And leaving the mess for the next guy to clean up.

 

[LumpStatus]

Well...sounds like the birth rate in the US is on the decline. Not sure about the rest of the world.

 

[Buddy Holly]

Look who's back

Even the uninformed can have an opinion. But can you be more specific?

I would love to be as informed as you are. You seem to know everything about everything. Which is why I never cared to converse much with you on other topics.

hmmm... have we spoke before? lol i dont remember if we did but you seem to remember me from something. kinda flattering but i dont know you. nothing personal, i vape a lot. just going by your recent posts in this thread.

seem to know everything about everything... sarcasm instead of substance. typical. i know nothing. that is what i know and it is that knowledge that is behind all that i do. perhaps you should try viewing the world thru that prism sometime.

your argument regarding hemp is invalid because it supposes the current paradigm needs to exist when/if hemp is utilized as a resource. it doesnt and wont. things have to change not just within the context of what we use as an energy source but how we use it as well. if you think driving an hr to and from work is sustainable to any degree you are deluded and trying to fashion an energy plan that still allows for that type of activity is foolish.

mia, hush now. grown folks is talking.

 

[Mia]

lul
I see a lot of opinions coming from your rear end, but not a whole lot of facts to back them up. Pot meet kettle.

" if you think driving an hr to and from work is sustainable to any degree you are deluded"
Probably, no edit- in fact- the dumbest thing I've read all day. You really do think you know it all don't you?

Lest I forget, I just got an email from my future imaginary son- he wants that money he loaned you back, now. Pay up.

 

[Buddy Holly]

Well...sounds like the birth rate in the US is on the decline. Not sure about the rest of the world.

in the US its declining amongst certain sections of the population but consistent or going up in others. as for the rest of the world, outside of most of europe it is exploding. exponential growth explains this quite well but anytime you mention population control some people get a kneejerk reaction and think of eugenics and shit like that. but its gonna have to be discussed seriously at some point. we are already fighting over resources like minerals and oil. wait til we start fighting over water and arable land.