Global warming...fact or $$$$

[mr.brunch]

global warming may be occuring but its not because of green house gasses... all that shit is just the elites trying to tax everything and have another reason for global government... the earth goes through warming and cooling peroids naturally.

^ that.
the earth tilts toward and away from the sun in a cycle, as we tilt bac towards the sun (like we are at the moment) the ice sheets retreat..... when we tilt away they grow, and we get ice ages.this is due to the moons gravity 'battling' with the suns.

as for co2 in the atmosphere, wtf happened to 'the long term carbon cycle' we learned about in geography and physics? carbon doesnt build up in the air, it is washed out by rain fall - into rivers, builds up as sediments, and is eventually compressed into rock. i mean, this is pretty basic.... or we would not have the sedimentary rocks that we do.
so its all about the money, honey.

 

[junior_grower]

^ that.
the earth tilts toward and away from the sun in a cycle, as we tilt bac towards the sun (like we are at the moment) the ice sheets retreat..... when we tilt away they grow, and we get ice ages.this is due to the moons gravity 'battling' with the suns.

as for co2 in the atmosphere, wtf happened to 'the long term carbon cycle' we learned about in geography and physics? carbon doesnt build up in the air, it is washed out by rain fall - into rivers, builds up as sediments, and is eventually compressed into rock. i mean, this is pretty basic.... or we would not have the sedimentary rocks that we do.
so its all about the money, honey.

Congrats you have solved it out of date science, and conjecture.

But Gore is a Giant Douche.

 

[Weird]

fact

its already an industry standard in the insurance industry among others and sadly enough propaganda and paranoia has most everyone spun out.

the biggest contributor to man made climate change is big industry, the powers that have money to skew public opinion on the matter (corporate propaganda machines), not the average individual

and as a grower, being independent of traditional energy utilizing new technology is a good thing, its the only way to escape being part of the traditional energy grid

AND not to be a stickler BUT

I would love to know how many guys here bitching about the prospect of a carbon tax pays taxes anyway?

 

[maryj315]

^ that.
the earth tilts toward and away from the sun in a cycle, as we tilt bac towards the sun (like we are at the moment) the ice sheets retreat..... when we tilt away they grow, and we get ice ages.this is due to the moons gravity 'battling' with the suns.

as for co2 in the atmosphere, wtf happened to 'the long term carbon cycle' we learned about in geography and physics? carbon doesnt build up in the air, it is washed out by rain fall - into rivers, builds up as sediments, and is eventually compressed into rock. i mean, this is pretty basic.... or we would not have the sedimentary rocks that we do.
so its all about the money, honey.

If our planet heats up or cools down, their is a reason for it.

Summer, winter, fall, spring are natural occurring events that coincide with our sun.

Global warming or cooling is not the same, their has to be a X factor in place for those dramatic climate changes to take place.

Mj

 

[unspoken]

^ that.
the earth tilts toward and away from the sun in a cycle, as we tilt bac towards the sun (like we are at the moment) the ice sheets retreat..... when we tilt away they grow, and we get ice ages.this is due to the moons gravity 'battling' with the suns.

The ice age thing is called a milankovitch cycle, and it is way more complicated than that. The "tilt" (obliquity) is what causes seasons. We "tilt" away from the sun in winter and towards it in summer.

as for co2 in the atmosphere, wtf happened to 'the long term carbon cycle' we learned about in geography and physics? carbon doesnt build up in the air, it is washed out by rain fall - into rivers, builds up as sediments, and is eventually compressed into rock. i mean, this is pretty basic.... or we would not have the sedimentary rocks that we do.
so its all about the money, honey.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ It's not like it never goes down. It does get washed down. See the down trends in the graphs? The point is that overall it is growing over time. If you remember the long term carbon cycle you should remember that there is a relationship between earth's temperature and atmospheric carbon.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

for anyone that thinks its co2 gasses thats warming the earth becuase of human involvement can you tell me why are whole solar system including every planet in it (mars jup etc..) have also gone through a MASSIVE warming as well... Its the sun... its not green house gasses.

 

[unspoken]

Firstly, the idea that the whole solar system is warming is just wrong. About 6 planets or moons out of the more than 100 in the solar system are warming that we can tell. conversely, Uranus is cooling ( http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~layoung/eprint/ur149/Young2001Uranus.pdf).

A number of independent measurements of solar activity like satellite data, sunspot numbers, UV levels and solar magnetograms all tell the same story. Over the last 35 years of global warming the sun has been getting cooler while the earth has been getting warmer.

As far as other planets are concerned, there are different reasons why those planets are warming. If you would like me to go into them I can. If you know anything about earth science an example is albedo, which plays a much bigger role in regulating temperature on a "dusty" planet such as mars.

Also, please note that I'm not saying co2 gas is necessarily "causing" the warming. Just that there is a correlation. Do you know what an urban heat island effect is? You can see them on weather radar.

 

[DrFever]

bottom line We as humans are to blame PERIOD ???
extinct species ??? , mass destruction , massive floods due to over cutting of trees what average house hold has what ??? 3 - 5 motorized cars , offroad toys etc boats
whagt is number 1 cause of global warming ????? industrialization is
watch this Vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTsxx1KZwlM&feature=fvwrel

and for some that think it isn't happening well it is i remember seeing 3 - 5 feet of snow come xmas now its green
We may not see to much our life as for massive global warming but way were heading our children may we are killing our selfs not only from the skys but from under grounds a s well
think about all the nuke waste here find out how much waste is in your state

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20046033/is-there-nuclear-waste-in-your-state-/

 

[PermaBuzz]

those giant methane plumes in the arctic ocean were pretty convincing to me.

Global Warming / Peak Oil / Overpopulation / War

Coming soon to a country near you.

 

[mr.brunch]

the apocalypse thread. only doom and gloom here.
fucking hell us humans are megalomaniacs.... we just cant accept that we are merely an insignificant blip.
must be us. just like we once thought we were centre of the cosmos.
i wouldnt worry too much, as we will have used all the fossil fuels soon.... then i suppose it will be something else we have done. me me me me.
there must have been more co2 at some point in the past,(not many animals, lots of plants pumping out co2) the planet has recovered. seems to me the main thing is we should stop breeding like fuckin rabbits untill we figure out how to get some of us off this rock. space travel is so important, there are too many of us.

 

[mr.brunch]

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ It's not like it never goes down. It does get washed down. See the down trends in the graphs? The point is that overall it is growing over time. If you remember the long term carbon cycle you should remember that there is a relationship between earth's temperature and atmospheric carbon.

no . please do not alter my statement to make your own point.
i was speaking of the 30,000 year cycle of 'wobble' of the earths tilt (well reported, causes ice ages) NOT the summer / winter rotation.
i said nothing about the summer/winter thing.
so, by all means, make your own point.... but dont bastardise my statement to make a nice quote for yourself.

 

[mr.brunch]

Congrats you have solved it out of date science, and conjecture.

But Gore is a Giant Douche.

where is the out of date science, do tell?
you have another way that SEDIMENTARY ROCKS FORM?
congrats to you, for being so rude.
give yourself 5 pixie points.

 

[SeaMaiden]

where is the out of date science, do tell?
you have another way that SEDIMENTARY ROCKS FORM?
congrats to you, for being so rude.
give yourself 5 pixie points.

I'm not getting the reference to sedimentary (as opposed to, say, igneous?) rock formations. What about limestones, and chalks?

 

[Yesca73]

still 80 degrees in the central valley, Nor Cal

 

[big twinn]

the apocalypse thread. only doom and gloom here.
fucking hell us humans are megalomaniacs.... we just cant accept that we are merely an insignificant blip.
must be us. just like we once thought we were centre of the cosmos.
i wouldnt worry too much, as we will have used all the fossil fuels soon.... then i suppose it will be something else we have done. me me me me.
there must have been more co2 at some point in the past,(not many animals, lots of plants pumping out co2) the planet has recovered. seems to me the main thing is we should stop breeding like fuckin rabbits untill we figure out how to get some of us off this rock. space travel is so important, there are too many of us.

Plants don't pump out CO2. they Take in CO2 and "pump out" water and oxygen, all three through the Stomata.

 

[kushedphantom]

Global Warming = our ecosystem still slowly working it's way out of the last ice age...

 

[Nor'Easter]

Oh great another "trick" thread! You know, one with a title that lures you in with a deceptive title, indicating it will be a fair and open minded debate and then you realize what you thought all along, that someone is just using a real and important issue to promote their own (usually radically right wing) opinions.

As far as the question the thread pretends to ask, these address it quite well:

fact..... only head in the sand (right winger types) think otherwise, imo....
same people who think more research is neccessary @ global warming think more research is nesseccary to prove marijuana has medical value....

mtns that are supposed to be covered in snow (worldwide) are barren year round, pretty much the proof i need.

this one not sure about every detail but the point is right on:

It may be used for profit, but that doesn't mean it's not real nor man made. Anyone who says this is natural hasn't studied milankovitch cycles very much. We have deviated from the norm (read "natural cycle") pretty rapidly and drastically starting around 1970. Greenhouse gasses are a real problem, covering the earth with concrete is a real problem, cutting down huge swaths of rain forest is a real problem. Anyone who denies that is simply doing so because they don't know the facts and science, they are a science hater, or they are too wrapped up in their conspiracy theories to see the forest for the trees. The biggest problem with it is when this whole thing got going there was some bad science, which gave a lot of people doubt, including some scientists of which almost all of the have changed their mind and now agree that this is a real problem which man plays a role in.

Climate change is undeniable. In the last few million years the earths climate has shifted dramatically many times. It has only been in the habitable zone for a brief part of its history. So it's not that far off base to think there could be a great shift toward warmer or cooler again.

"Global warming" might not be the best title, but something is happening.

true but this latest cycle definitely has human fingerprints all over it.

Great post #15 bigtwin, too long to quote but a great answer to all those who ask for facts even though they know they can't understand them and don't care to do anything other than argue their own opinion.

it's a fact around the world...the only people that don't believe in it are republicans from the usa...and of course they believe in it too, the rich ones anyway, the only smart ones in that party...because they know it's not about denying that it exists on principle so much as denying it allows them to defund and get rid of environmental regulations and dismantle the epa, get half the country believing it's a scam and it's a lot easier to get away with it...of course that helps big business churn more profits and fuck our country even harder...and thats what being a republican is all about...give corporations as much power as possible, because they own those corporations and get super 1% rich off them...

right! The only ones making huge money off this are these greedy Exxon-Mobil types that divide and conquer with their lies.

OK finally got through page one except maybe the last 2 posts or so, that's all I have time for right now. There are some great insightful posts here!

 

[sweetestsin420]

im not a scientist,i havnt really researched "global warming": but i will say that,we as a species,are poisoning our planet,we are overusing natural resources,with no regards in terms of conservation,pretty much,global warming or not,we humans ARE damaging the plant.


im not talking about the ozone layer,glaciers melting,climate shifts..im talking about things that are current and factual.

things like irresponsible farming,mining,manufacturing,overlogging.overfishing,we are literally harming the planet itself,you have babies all around the world in thirld world countries,being born with all kinds of defects,due to chemicals in the water and food supply.

mass producing food with antibiotics and hormones,thats the reason why girls these days enter puberty much faster.its the damn hormones..i can go on and on for days,but forget global warming,focus on "global poisoning",

last thing ill say,when you think of a "utopia"..you imagine a land,filled with trees,renewable energy,eveything from cars to homes are much more efficient...

when you think of "utopian" future,you think,bleak,grey,no sun,industrialism everywhere,mass machinging,barely no trees or forest left,oceans polluted,and were all ruled by the people who have the resources,otherwise we starve and die.

 

[sweetestsin420]

shit im tipsy,i meant dystopian society haha...utopia means good,dystopia is bad haha.sorry

 

[redbudduckfoot]

Its not that we are harming the planet. We are, but that doesn't matter. Third Rock From The Sun can handle itself, and whatever we throw at it. We are but a blip on the screen, and the Universe will keep on spinning and expanding. It is the simple fact that we(human race) should be doing whatever it takes to keep the Earth at a level that is inhabitable for us(whom WE believe is the most important species on Earth).

The Industrial Revolution started this shit. The Koch Brothers paid for an in depth study to disprove Climate Change a few years ago. it didn't get much press, because the powers that be tried to keep it quiet. Dude was on Colbert or Stewart. After all the money the Koch bro's threw at the study, The head of the research team came back and proved it is all true, all happening, and is definitely man-made.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/koch-funded-scientist-global-warming-

http://integralpostmetaphysicalnond...07/kock-brothers-funded-scientist-admits.html

wake up.

WAKE UP!!!!!

rbdf