Broggemann
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Wrong, employes can only get paid a very small salary, like 400 bucks max per month...
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Germany to legalize cannabis
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this cant be right, 400bucks a month? how many hours are they expected to work?
im not up to speed on the labour laws in germany but dont you have a minimum wage
source?
Cuddles
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if it´s 400 a month, I guess it will be a little part time job. More people will then have to do their bit I guess.
I really haven´t paid much attention to this type of stuff to be honest, lol. I was just hoping that a big country like germany would actually do something positive ie let the people `have some´
lots of folks volunteer at non-profits, drawing zero dollars. normally retirees etc...
Cuddles
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true but times are also tough right now and people do need to get some compensation such as travel expenses or similar things imo
GenghisKush
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Called it.
Broggemann
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You can look up the law.
No, you have to have your permanent residence in germany.
you made the claim, you show the proof.
Ca++
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I think some money can exchange hands. The grower doesn't have to fund the whole grow, while the smoker pays nothing. That wouldn't be a cooperative, or particularly enticing club for a grower. I think the idea is non-profit, though I have not kept up with the latest developments. I realised a while ago, that this sort of legalisation was good cover for an illegal grow. Little more.
I can confirm this, "growing clubs" are not allowed to pay staff, except something called "Minijobs" in Germany, which is limited to 520 EUR if i got the number right.
They want to keep all commercial activities out, every member is asked to contribute with some little work in the club, this is even mandatory. How this should work ? Nobody knows.
Parlament debate next (guess end of September), hoping for some changes.
In the current form, i would say, the concept of the growing clubs will completely fail. So much regulation, it´s just not doable as a "hobby".
Would lead to may a handful clubs in whole germany, but not to a significant numbers where average people can get there cannabis.
This leads to the situation, if the law comes in this form, that 99 % of the people has no chance to get cannabis on a legal way.
Even home growers are only allowed to harvest 25g, which keeps growing practically illegal.
They want to keep all commercial activities out, every member is asked to contribute with some little work in the club, this is even mandatory. How this should work ? Nobody knows.
Parlament debate next (guess end of September), hoping for some changes.
In the current form, i would say, the concept of the growing clubs will completely fail. So much regulation, it´s just not doable as a "hobby".
Would lead to may a handful clubs in whole germany, but not to a significant numbers where average people can get there cannabis.
This leads to the situation, if the law comes in this form, that 99 % of the people has no chance to get cannabis on a legal way.
Even home growers are only allowed to harvest 25g, which keeps growing practically illegal.
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BioSemiosi
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German friends I am happy for you but very envious, in Italy they will never legalize with this government, here they have inserted CBD oil in narcotics right now...
Can i be hosted as political refugees for cannabis?
Can i be hosted as political refugees for cannabis?
Cuddles
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Germany and Italy are both EU counties. So all you have to do is pack your stuff, get in the car and drive over thereGerman friends I am happy for you but very envious, in Italy they will never legalize with this government, here they have inserted CBD oil in narcotics right now...
Can i be hosted as political refugees for cannabis?
Wouldn´t go to bavaria however because apparantly the local government hates the idea of legalization. They´re known to be very conservative.
You´re totally right on this one, If they won´t make significantly changes, only very few people will be able to found a club. The over regulation makes it almost impossible to afford running a club. Who wants to work full time for 520 EUR?! Who wants 50 different people running through the garden, ´cause it´s mandatory that the members partake in growing or processing?! With all the expenses for required security, rent of property, lab tests, paperwork.,only a few rich people will be able to run a club.
The worst part of the law is the restriction to 25 g. If you posses slightly above 25 g you can be charged with 3 years imprisonment! If they don´t change this part of the law, the police is forced by the law to check that you´re not above the legal limit. That would result in more unnecessary court cases instead of relieving the justice system....
Hopefully they´ll listen to reason...
Cuddles
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very unlikely
But who knows-a few years from now they might `get it´. Unless the other party wins the next election, in which case the whole thing may well be reversed.
Yeah, I think so too...I hope they´ll realize the world is not going to end with legalization... but with the next election the whole dream could be over soon...very unlikely
Unless the other party wins the next election, in which case the whole thing may well be reversed.
I just keep growing anyway, but it would be a dream come true to have a legal business one day...
Asentrouw
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In the end it is a matter of enforcement.
Probably police has no interest in checking your harvest. So if you harvest a few ounces, nobody is going to check it and it doesn't matter. It has no priority.
But this is a false sense of safety. Once they make it a priority again, they can hassle and bully every small grower with far reaching consequences.
This is basicly what happened in the Netherlands:
When criminal law is no longer sufficient for politicians and police to repress it, they do it through administrative laws. And because all the regulations are applied fairly arbitrarily, they can be mismatched for harsh punishment policies.
Now nobody in the Netherlands knows exactly what the rules and laws are and we are back to square one: re-criminalization and repression.
The system Germany is proposing has those same falling pits: politicians and law enforcers can bend it whatever way they like.
In the end how "legal" it is will remain a matter of which political interests rule.
Seems to me this is on purpose, because these policies are not idealist ideas of these politicians, but more or less a mean to reduce organized crime and to control the market themselves.
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Cuddles
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German tokers and growers can´t rest easy just yet - not at all! The police keep targeting weed. Maybe even more now than they used to, I´m not sure?
The targets of a police raid allegedly threw the fridge out of a window, forlornly hoping to avoid being caught with the drugs inside.
A fridge loaded with illegal drugs went flying through a window in the Bavarian city of Nuremberg as police carried out a drug bust, police reported on Wednesday
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The incident took place in the Röthenbach district of the city on May last week. The report indicated that the suspects — three men between the ages of 28 and 46 and a 34-year-old woman — had tried to dispose of the incriminating fridge as police entered the apartment.
Police said that they discovered 800 grams of cannabis and several grams of synthetic drugs, as well as other drug paraphernalia.
The police statement did not say how big the fridge was, though apparently it was not too big to fit through a window and did not contain a very large quantity of drugs.
Police were made aware of the apartment thanks to a strong smell of marijuana. The public prosecutor ordered an immediate search of the location.
As the officers attempted to gain entry, the fridge was hurled from the third story of the building and landed in the backyard.
The 28-year-old male suspect tried to flee the scene and was forcefully apprehended by police.
The other suspects were also arrested on the premises.
The investigation has been passed on to Nuremberg criminal police. They will interrogate the suspects on suspicion of dealing narcotics.
ab/msh (AFP, Mittelfrankfen Police statement)
www.dw.com
Germany: Drug-laden fridge defenestrated during police raid
05/31/2023May 31, 2023The targets of a police raid allegedly threw the fridge out of a window, forlornly hoping to avoid being caught with the drugs inside.
A fridge loaded with illegal drugs went flying through a window in the Bavarian city of Nuremberg as police carried out a drug bust, police reported on Wednesday
.
The incident took place in the Röthenbach district of the city on May last week. The report indicated that the suspects — three men between the ages of 28 and 46 and a 34-year-old woman — had tried to dispose of the incriminating fridge as police entered the apartment.
Police said that they discovered 800 grams of cannabis and several grams of synthetic drugs, as well as other drug paraphernalia.
The police statement did not say how big the fridge was, though apparently it was not too big to fit through a window and did not contain a very large quantity of drugs.
What happened during the raid?
Police were made aware of the apartment thanks to a strong smell of marijuana. The public prosecutor ordered an immediate search of the location.
As the officers attempted to gain entry, the fridge was hurled from the third story of the building and landed in the backyard.
The 28-year-old male suspect tried to flee the scene and was forcefully apprehended by police.
The other suspects were also arrested on the premises.
The investigation has been passed on to Nuremberg criminal police. They will interrogate the suspects on suspicion of dealing narcotics.
ab/msh (AFP, Mittelfrankfen Police statement)
Germany: Drug-laden fridge defenestrated during police raid – DW – 05/31/2023
The targets of a police raid allegedly threw the fridge out of a window, forlornly hoping to avoid being caught with the drugs inside.
www.dw.com
