Germany to legalize cannabis

[AceHaze]

In the end it is a matter of enforcement.

Probably police has no interest in checking your harvest. So if you harvest a few ounces, nobody is going to check it and it doesn't matter. It has no priority.

But this is a false sense of safety. Once they make it a priority again, they can hassle and bully every small grower with far reaching consequences.

This is basicly what happened in the Netherlands:

When criminal law is no longer sufficient for politicians and police, they do it through administrative law. And because all the regulations are applied fairly arbitrarily, they can be mismatched for harsh punishment policies.

Now nobody knows exactly what the rules and laws are and we are back to square one: re-criminalization and repression.

The system Germany is proposing has those same falling pits, politicians and law enforcers can bend it whatever way they like.

There are differences in law enforcement in the Netherlands and Germany. In the Netherlands the police can be advised not to enforce certain laws. In Germany this is not possible, if it´s a "Straftat" the police has to persue it! Only if it´s a "Ordnungswidrigkeit" the police can chose to persue it or not. That´s the mayor difference here and the upcoming law in its current version will make it a "Straftat" if you exceed the limit...

 

[Asentrouw]

There are differences in law enforcement in the Netherlands and Germany. In the Netherlands the police can be advised not to enforce certain laws. In Germany this is not possible, if it´s a "Straftat" the police has to persue it! Only if it´s a "Ordnungswidrigkeit" the police can chose to persue it or not. That´s the mayor difference here and the upcoming law in its current version will make it a "Straftat" if you exceed the limit...

This could be true. But if the german prosecutor or police commissioner determines that detecting and checking small growers has no priority at all, that chance of being caught is slim. "Legalisation" (regulation) will probably ensure that that priority will no longer be so high, untill the political climate changes again ofcourse.

I just want to warn all those advocates of regularisation, that the jungle of all these regulatory rules creates ambiguity and arbitrariness. I don't think this will be so different in the German case, which in many ways looks like that of the neighboring Netherlands. In my eyes this has little to do with real legalization, as it has a lot of downsides (as you also point out).

 

[Cuddles]

But if the german prosecutor or police commissioner determines that detecting and checking small growers has no priority at all, that chance of being caught is slim.

but he is totally against weed. That´s the problem growers in germany are having. As I already mentioned, they´re really going after everything and everyone to do with weed. Even if the people in question aren´t involved at all. They keep raiding peoples houses.

 

[Asentrouw]

but he is totally against weed. That´s the problem growers in germany are having. As I already mentioned, they´re really going after everything and everyone to do with weed. Even if the people in question aren´t involved at all. They keep raiding peoples houses.

So then legalisation is probably going to be just the same old repressive policy, now disguised in a nice liberal charade. If they make up enough rules, somebody is always going to find a stick to beat you with...

 

[early_bird]

This is actually exactly the strategy totalitarian regimes do.
You make incredible lot of rules with hard punishments and nobody cares.
But, if you leave the track the government gives you, you are screwed.

May we should be concerned, that this strategy take place here in germany

 

[NEED 4 SEED]

"non-profit" means the corporation breaks even. actual employees get paid. investors do NOT get rich, which is why many folks rage against legalization. "they're only in it for the money!"

There will be MARGINAL employment jobs only which means 520 Euro MAX per month. You can't live from that.
Also, the members of the club have to work on the plants too. Good luck with letting 500 potentially contaminated people into the grow facility, organize the work of those 500 and in the end control the pockets of those 500 when they leave the place, lol. Its a joke...

 

[graser]

The biggest problem for me - how to breed legally?
With the specifications, this is only possible in the club and then only with permitted genetics?
If you see the scientific progress in other countries and how much Germany prevents this with its repressive legislation, it is clear why we lag behind.
But I'm already happy when they don't arrest me because of a few grams.

WTF - Grow on!


Hanfmesse in Düsseldorf: 72 Besucher müssen zur Blutprobe - waz.de

soviel dazu!

 

[krakykush]

En España es ilegal incluso el uso terapéutico de cannabis.
Mientras tanto la Agencia Española del Medicamento concede licencias a compañías de USA y Canadá para cultivar bajo el sol de España. El pasado año España exportó más de 20.000 kg de cannabis.
No lo entiendo.

 

[Cuddles]

En España es ilegal incluso el uso terapéutico de cannabis.
Mientras tanto la Agencia Española del Medicamento concede licencias a compañías de USA y Canadá para cultivar bajo el sol de España. El pasado año España exportó más de 20.000 kg de cannabis.
No lo entiendo.

I´ve given up trying to understand the illogical logic of politicians! You see, it´s simply not possible for people who do have common sense to follow such bizzare ways of thinking.
Sometimes I think that they´re just taking the piss, then finding excuses for it and enjoy abusing their power this way.

 

[armedoldhippy]

But I'm already happy when they don't arrest me because of a few grams.

i'd be even happier if they'd do away with random testing for jobs...you have to be incredibly unlucky to get popped for simple possession anymore, even here where it is still 11/29 and $250 fine. most cops just don't go there unless you do/say something stupid. too much paperwork for near zero reward, if any...

 

[Cuddles]

i'd be even happier if they'd do away with random testing for jobs...you have to be incredibly unlucky to get popped for simple possession anymore, even here where it is still 11/29 and $250 fine. most cops just don't go there unless you do/say something stupid. too much paperwork for near zero reward, if any...

I never understood these tests anyway. I don´t think that any employer has the right to invade a persons privacy in such a way. What a person does in their own time is entirely their own business. And as long as they do their job properly, then who cares?

Btw, who gets to test politicinas for drugs? If they were tested I bet that many would be jailed or sacked for using coke. Now THAT would make for some amusing headlines!

 

[Ca++]

The more I think about, the further entrenched in my initial thoughts I become. Anyone that jumps straight into the driving seat of a large co-op, was already well connected. Now they will show to who. While other co-op's might just be a very small group, with no outreach at all. It's crime mapping, done by the criminals themselves. It's genius really. Start a trial to draw out all the details they want, then show how it didn't work, and shut the trial, but keep the intel.

 

[NEED 4 SEED]

Btw, who gets to test politicinas for drugs? If they were tested I bet that many would be jailed or sacked for using coke. Now THAT would make for some amusing headlines!

Nobody got jailed. They lived happily ever after. https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/reichstag-kokainspuren-auf-dem-klo-112178.html

 

[Cuddles]

Nobody got jailed. They lived happily ever after. https://m.faz.net/aktuell/politik/reichstag-kokainspuren-auf-dem-klo-112178.html

yep, no genuine rules for them but loads of rules for us ordinary people round the world. They can do what they like and get away with it whilst we get punished. A small fine? Those guys have so much money, they don´t even notice it´s missing when they pay .

PS. I wonder if the cleaners got sacked for not cleaning properly? lol.

 

[graser]

Btw, who gets to test politicinas for drugs? If they were tested I bet that many would be jailed or sacked for using coke. Now THAT would make for some amusing headlines!

Cem Özdemir (then chairman of the Green Party) showed himself with a cannabis plant on his balcony in 2014. He received a lot of attention because of this and said about it: "He himself is a non-smoker and would be firmly convinced that drug use, especially towards young people, should not be trivialized. "However, by still criminalizing consumers of cannabis in Germany, while applying different standards to alcohol, cannot be explained with reason and rationality," Özdemir said. Those who have a drug problem need help, not outdated laws, was his message at the time."
The public prosecutor's office initiated investigations, but they were discontinued.
Today, he is the German Minister of Agriculture and is committed to a cannabis law.



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No one should be above the law, but when it comes to cannabis I am 100% a 1%er.

 

[Cuddles]

Today, he is the German Minister of Agriculture and is committed to a cannabis law.

does this mean that he is against weed now?

 

[graser]

No, he advocates for legalization.

 

[Cuddles]

No, he advocates for legalization.

being a good boy then, woof, woof

 

[graser]

the story of the first officially recorded hashish death, he died in 1994 in the port of Rotterdam



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Thank you....now we come to a rather sad story - the story of the first officially recorded hashish death, he died in 1994 in the port of Rotterdam, he was a dock worker and his name was Hank

(sung
Hanky was a dock worker,
Could slave away like no other
His home was the Kay
Favorite song paloma ooohhéé

Hanky's job was loading
And he had already brought ashore
Tons of cargo ashore,
Till that one night - ooohhhéé

They say it only makes you lung-sick and lax
But Hank died of a hash overdose
They say it only makes you lungy and limp
But Hank died of a pot overdose

He was smoking a cigarette
And a chain broke on him -
Four and a half tons of good red
And Hanky was a drugged-out dead man ooohhéé

They say it only makes your lungs sick and lax.
But Hank died of a hash overdose
And all that was left was a wife and kid
Who are now without a father
If you legalized hash
It could be transported more safely ooohhhéé

They say it only makes your lungs sick and lax
But Hank died of a pot overdose
They say it only makes your lungs sick and lax
But Hank died of a hash overdose

Paloma ohééé...adeeee
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Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

 

[Cuddles]

Germany legalises cannabis, but makes it hard to buy​

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Police in some areas of Germany, including Berlin, already turn a blind eye to smoking of cannabis in public
By Damien McGuinness
BBC News, Berlín

The German parliament has backed a new law to allow the recreational use of cannabis.
Under the law, over-18s in Germany will be allowed to possess substantial amounts of cannabis, but strict rules will make it difficult to buy the drug.
Smoking cannabis in many public spaces will become legal from 1 April.
Possession of up to 25g, equivalent to dozens of strong joints, is to be allowed in public spaces. In private homes the legal limit will be 50g.
Already police in some parts of Germany, such as Berlin, often turn a blind eye to smoking in public, although possession of the drug for recreational use is illegal and can be prosecuted. 

Use of the drug among young people has been soaring for years despite the existing law, says Health Minister Karl Lauterbach, who is instigating the reforms.
He wants to undermine the black market, protect smokers from contaminated cannabis and cut revenue streams for organised crime gangs.

But legal cannabis cafes will not suddenly spring up all over the country.
A ferocious debate about decriminalising cannabis has been raging for years in Germany, with doctors' groups expressing concerns for young people and conservatives saying that liberalisation will fuel drug use.
After a stormy session on Friday in the Bundestag, Germany's parliament, the vote was eventually passed by 407 votes to 226.
Simone Borchardt of the opposition conservative CDU told MPs that the government had gone ahead with its "completely unnecessary, confused law" regardless of warnings from doctors, police and psychotherapists.
But Mr Lauterbach said the current situation was no longer tenable: "The number of consumers aged between 18 and 25 has doubled in the past 10 years."
After the vote he said the law would "dry out the black market" and fix "a failed drug policy".

As so often in Germany, the law approved by MPs is complicated.
Smoking cannabis in some areas, such as near schools and sports grounds, will still be illegal. Crucially, the market will be strictly regulated so buying the drug will not be easy.
Original plans to allow licensed shops and pharmacies to sell cannabis have been scrapped over EU concerns that this could lead to a surge in drug exports.
Instead, non-commercial members' clubs, dubbed "cannabis social clubs", will grow and distribute a limited amount of the drug.
Each club will have an upper limit of 500 members, consuming cannabis onsite will not be allowed, and membership will only be available to German residents.
Growing your own cannabis will also be permitted, with up to three marijuana plants allowed per household.

This means that Germany could be in the paradoxical position of allowing possession of rather large amounts of the drug, while at the same time making it difficult to purchase.
Regular smokers would benefit, but occasional users would struggle to buy it legally and tourists would be excluded. Critics say this will simply fuel the black market.
Over the next few years, the government wants to assess the impact of the new law, and eventually introduce the licensed sale of cannabis.
But given how tortuous the debate has been so far, nothing is certain.
Meanwhile, opposition conservatives say that if they get into government next year, they will scrap the law entirely. Germany is unlikely to become Europe's new Amsterdam anytime soon.

Germany legalises cannabis, but makes it hard to buy

Under the law backed by MPs, possession will be legal, but strict rules mean it will be complicated.

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