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Genetics of new G13haze and Amnesia Haze in Holland after 2000's.

THC123

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Yeah I was used to cultivating the coffeeshop clones and was expecting something with a nice taste and high similar to amnesia. Probably that is the reason why I was dissapointed. Did not look or smell like amnesia at all...effect was also nowhere near as strong as the clones.
 

TheDarkStorm

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It was actually the hypro family that admitted ther very first amnesia plant came from a seed found in super silver haze bud found in the greenhouse coffee shop...im sure thers even evidence of this on icmag involving those who wer around them at the time
 

AstroTHC

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Just like with any other legendary and extremely successful cannabis strain, also the origin and exact pedigree of Amnesia is partly shrouded in mystery, which goes along with the usual vivid discussions in various web forums. Undoubtfully, however, the original Amesia strain was bred by Zwiep from the fertilizer company Hypro in Til burg, The Netherlands. According to his story, he crossed a Neville's Haze with an Afghani plant to create Amnesia.
 

AstroTHC

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And this afghani was probably NL.

We will see Karma G is probably relising Fem A5 haze x NL5

i will grow them and report on here.
 

GoatCheese

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Just like with any other legendary and extremely successful cannabis strain, also the origin and exact pedigree of Amnesia is partly shrouded in mystery, which goes along with the usual vivid discussions in various web forums. Undoubtfully, however, the original Amesia strain was bred by Zwiep from the fertilizer company Hypro in Til burg, The Netherlands. According to his story, he crossed a Neville's Haze with an Afghani plant to create Amnesia.
Are you sure about this? Because here's a post from a guy who claims to be a friend of the Hypro crew and he wrote that they found the seed in a bud of SSH from GreenHouse


There can't be too many Hypro Amnesias in Holland, ay, and this guy claims to know the people.
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ok, here it is. the hy-pro family are friends of mine. they brought me the amnesia/ssh years ago. they found a seed in the ssh from the greenhouse and grew it out. they called it amnesia but when i saw it i knew right away it was a ssh pheno, bubblegum, candy smelling and knock u out strong. over the years is has won many cups as ssh/amnesia, from many shops in the south, twins coffeshop, bio ibo and many others. so, not to take anything away from karma but he won the breeders cup with somone else's genetics. a rose by any other name is still a rose
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AstroTHC

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Another stunning characteristic of Amnesia is its exquisite Haze-type aroma with hints of incense, cedar and spices plus a bit of citrus/ginger. Nothing sweet no candy just full incense spice.


This is original Amnesia which is made by Zweip who worked in Hypro in 1996. Neville Haze x afghan(probably NLight but no 100% shure i knew with smells that is mix of A and C hazes, that is why i was thinking that is Mango H instead of SSH but it is not it is neville x afg )
and lost in 2004 also Soma lost cut thet year the original cut of Amnesia founded in seed line of neviile x afghan in 1996. People can smoke that cut at HT 04 in Ams.
hypro family also lost this cut in 04.

After thet maybe they found SSH in ghs seeds or 1 theory is cross of bubblegum but i belive more in SSH ghs makes more sense .

It was close to amnesia in taste but have that little AMnesia taste with bubblegum and candiness upfront thats why people think bubblegum but also growing SSH seeds you can find grape or bubblegum phenos.

Then they give this new Amnesia hypro cut to core who spread it around that is now every where.
But people who are long time smokers know that this Amnesia is far away from real one it has 100% full on Amnesia taste no candiness no bubblegum,no orange no nothing just full on incense pine spice with lil bit citrus. And hits you like best Neville Haze phenos with added Indica potency of Afghan on NL old Nl was very racy and potent. So thats it Neville haze best high with little bit more NL raciness and potency and that is high of Amnesia the strongest.

So all in all this story is confused if someone say that he lose cut no one will buy seeds.
This is seed business no sience. Money first and good stories.

Both cuts are from Hypro Amnesia and Amnesia(SSH).
Second best phenos you can find by my opinion in Somas seeds sideshow cut around 2007-08 now i dont know what is in seeds.
To me SSH Amnesia is not good like Somas or Original cut. So when somebody say to me Amnesia i think about old one not SSH Amnesia candy bubblegum.
Also you can find fire phenos in Dampkrings Amnesia x G13,ESKOBARS crosses and list go one.
In this seeds you can find something close to Real Amnesia spicy not sweet.

So what is confusing more some guys that cut from 96 call hypro and people rename it core cut. it is all hazy story.

But if somone smoked tru cut he will know what am talking about,who didnt smoke he will never know.

But sure new hypro cut/core cut/ssh aint hype maker like old Amnesia.
Firt Amnesia 98. is very low yilder and it is selected for potency,next hypro SSH cut is selected for
quicker flowering time and more weight, it taste-smell very sweet but still have little of that typical ''amnesia smell and taste.

ANd original was much more Haze taste/smell /spicy nothing sweet.
''If your used to smoke this spicy hazy amnesia you'll will find the hypro cut ''s are just bad copy' 's..''

Problem is 1st hypro cut 96 have many different names hypro/somas/nesel....Also new one is also from Hypro and its called bubblegum haze,SSH amnesia,core cut...

This year one guy from France won cup with Amnesia Hypro 96. indoor cup in Amsterdam,but it was flowered for 13 weeks and it has labeled Amnesia Hypro 96 it beat Neville Haze and 3 diferent AmnesiaSSH crosess in 2019.
But if you probably ask him is this core cut he will tell you yes cuz lots of people dont care about this topic as i do.
It is still my favourite herb what i smoked in my life.
And one and only what people remember after smoking lots of years.
 

TheDarkStorm

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The people involved in the find admitted the story of the ssh seed themselves...hypros Afghan (enemy of the state) x Neville's haze came later...the original first amnesia actual seed that all amnesia line descends from all came from that super silver haze seed...
 

TheDarkStorm

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Im not sure if your missreading or misunderstanding or mixing up information...cuz earlier on in the thread I mentioned to about the only amnesia genetics iknow that had haze- a an haze-c was hypros afghan x Neville's haze...but you said that the clone your looking for is not that hypro one...then I said maybe its ther original clone which was the super silver haze seed..but you said no an that wasnt the right one either...then I showed you the core clone buds which was the same clone hypro had...but you said that wernt it either...I even asked if it was somas original amnesia ..but you said no, that was it either.... ????
 

TheDarkStorm

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Soma's now-lost-to-Dutch-cops,Original "Amnesia Haze" clone was fucking incredible.
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it is still here,maybe soma lost him but all the time i have him in my veg room..
it is a killer and there is a lot of amnesia, amesia...not close to what i have..

not the biggest yeilder but in my eyes the most potent strain there is.

my promis was i never give it away and as today i never gave it to someone.

i have a few friends who grow it out,i ment i did not trade it to get other exclusive genetics.....

So real Amnesia is held by few people.
Freakje smoked evritihing and about every strain you can have and he say that AH original sativa shit on every other strain in terms of potency smell and taste...and he smoked many...breed even more...
An this seems to suggest your on about soma' amnesia clone ..which was selected from his amnesia/ssh x g13haze...
Also some wer on the thread youve said that the first time you ever smoked amnesia was after 2004..
Many people wer around wen the original clone was put out..all of them say the same story..ssh...I smoked it in 1999/2000 and you could tell it was from the original super silver haze but lent towards the more piney citrus side.
 

AstroTHC

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The people involved in the find admitted the story of the ssh seed themselves...hypros Afghan (enemy of the state) x Neville's haze came later...the original first amnesia actual seed that all amnesia line descends from all came from that super silver haze seed...

How it come latter they start breedin from these line end of 80's ??
 

AstroTHC

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Im not sure if your missreading or misunderstanding or mixing up information...cuz earlier on in the thread I mentioned to about the only amnesia genetics iknow that had haze- a an haze-c was hypros afghan x Neville's haze...but you said that the clone your looking for is not that hypro one...then I said maybe its ther original clone which was the super silver haze seed..but you said no an that wasnt the right one either...then I showed you the core clone buds which was the same clone hypro had...but you said that wernt it either...I even asked if it was somas original amnesia ..but you said no, that was it either.... ????

I didnt take you serious.....you pictures are crap quality you can give me any bud and say it is original.

If you smoked/grown original you will know difference between original, somas and SSH.

First Amnesia cutting is lost by many,they have new hypro SSH Amnesia candy bubblegum spread by Core cut which is not Amnesia 98 original. Also soma have new cutting in 04 which is 70 days flower not one he gives on cup.
There are many seed line and today it is untrackable but who will grow 14 weeks low yilder ??

Both cuts come from hypro both are hypro i will call it 96 cut and late 2000s other one.
Your cut how long it flower 13'14 weeks ???
Core amnesia SSH is ready max 11 .
New Amnesia is stony herb not Haze..

I see that you havent smoke and grow many i cant explain these to you.
But in NL i havent seen any Somas better cut or original most u have is Amnesia original x g13 and new SSH aka core cut or hypro 2.
Also u need to know that many cuts come from Core cut ssh x neville haze. from hypro Seeds Amnesia,and also from Somas seeds like sideshow Bob.
Probably u havent smoke original why you will ask me is this original with shitty pictures if you smoke it.

Funny troll boy :tiphat:
 

AstroTHC

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core cut was found out of ssh seed from an icmag member named moppel he then gifted the cut to is friend core and thus the name core cut came about,it is intact moppels cut but he didn't mind everyone calling it the core cut.

Core start called this cut Amnesia, Original Amnesia was from Hypro 1 also from Soma.
So when this cut is spreding around Names are mixing.

But shure first hypro cut from 96 is Amnesia.
This new cut spreded by core ic moppels SSH.
Core also say that he dosent know.

So truth is Core has give one cut Amnesia people who dont smoke original Amnesia think that it is original and it is SSH.
But original is from hypro and it is also called amnesia.
Then u have seed lines (Amnesia 98 original x g13) damprking (G13amnesiahaze x G13hazeC) somas (SSHcorecut x Neville Haze) amnesia hypro....and many S1 and etc....
From about 2008+ all what i see is SSH core cut Amnesia also in jack o nesia these kind of phenos. Lemony candy bubblegum peach orange that kind of smells with that Amnesia oroignal smell.
Also Ceres Hilton is Amnesia 1 karma personal cut sister s1 from core cut of moppel SSH.

I dont know what u know but if you smoke one in 1999 you will know that new around EU is just bad copy.
People dont know history and they dont care about this cut. First Amnesia was found in 96. New moppel cut is named Amnesia and they say story of old amnesia on new clone. It is foggy and hazy but if you moked original u will know.

and this is quote from Core

hello folks and friends
just wanne jump in here.....first off ...i never claimed to be the grower/finder of this cut ....maybe they call it that becoz i am the distributor of it, notthing more.....

i was told this was a amnesia haze cut.....and i did get it from my mate Moppel here....if he says he made a mistake who am i to say it is not so?...although i find it realy strange he kept his mouth shut and is making this public now.
I have here for almost 2 years now i was no aware of this untill i read this thread.
just recently met Moppel and he did't mention it at all?
i have mislead many people Bcoz of this....

Nhow,i'm not gonne dispute this fact.

as for the smoke itself.....its just topshelf....one of the favorits in my garden
She was just too good to keep for myself...thats why i have spread her around,and i will again every time i have the chance!


Growing some amnesia haze ....euuuh ,LOL just joking....SSH right now....again..
 

AstroTHC

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ive always thought that the amnesia was either a ssh pheno or a cross of ssh/amnesia but that was only after the first 1 was lost or hoarded

when soma won the cup with amnesia haze at barneys it was a very diferent amnesia haze that goes around these days
i heard that was lost in a bust and a new 1 was selected as the next time i come back to dam it was a diferent amnesia haze
the amnesia haze i remeber was more on the thai citrus limey side and literalyy was some serious up racy weed nothing like the body amnesia haze has now
the amnesia haze/ssh is good but nothibng on the old 1
there was a guy on here called freakie or freakj or something like that(a dutch guy who is on the dutch forums and was on ic,i also heard it was the guy from dampkring but not sure on that)
he was the guy who had the original amnesia haze i was told
he even admited it on ic
the cloesest amnesia haze ive found is from sideshowbob(still not as good as the other 1)
ive been saying forever that all the hazes around town are all the same cut ssh/amnesia haze
i call the 9-10 week 1 pp/nesia as it is very strong but the taste is normaly very disapointing from the coffeshops
if its grown by 1 of us its alot beter but still
the cut karma has is kinda the same but beter flavour,im still not a big fan of this amnesia haze but when karma entered the cup that was very nice,had a bublegum taste to it and haze best ive smoked apart from the origignal and sideshows cut
also super lemon haze seemed to be the same cut as the ssh/amnesia

i would guess that the amnesia haze was crossed to the g13haze side at some point and i prefer those phenos,much more up up buzz kinda like the thai side,gets me tweaked like class A drugs running around town like a madd man lol, taste is lime lemon hazy
kinda like the new amnesia haze from dampkring lemon amnesia but potency is down from first batch

anyway thats my take and opinions on the matter
thanks for all the info gathered in this post helped join some dots together
now if anyone knows ron from damokring go and talk to him and im sure the story will come out(also ask him if he's freakie freakj or whatever if not he 100% worked with him)

peace

OJD quote.

Hi ojd

Yeah man i know exactly which Amnesia Haze you mean with the best, with that herb you really can have trip-like scenes walking through a dutch city and the taste - hmmm -... like you say thai-lemon, with a floral edge - very unique! also it had a very typical structure with very big, bag-like, calyxes
i love that weed, i remember getting some of the best of this in the east of the netherlands close to the german border - in enchede (can't remember the shop) i have a friend who lives in this area and he took me to the shop and showed me this Amnesia Haze
i sent the same cut of amnesia haze i sent to you to him... and after he grew it, he told me "yeah nice weed that amnesia haze cut - but it's not the nesel" (nesel being the nick-name we used for this incredible pheno sold in the shops) so he refused completely to relate this amnesia haze from soma to the good one from the shops - in my opinon there is a connection between this amnesia haze cut and the pheno from the shops, it also has a very intense lemon-hazy aroma but in stead of the floral edge it has carroty tones and a earthy background... but there is def. more indica influence in this cut than in the shop amnesia haze - it also is quite psychedelic but has this bodystone tied to it that i don't remember having with the pheno from the shops...

but who really knows... in the netherlands there is (in many parts not everywhere) a *don't-share-good-clones-with-strangers* policy... damn, you ever smoked some good grown hawaian haze from amsterdam? incredible tasty pot but impossible to find clones of it... i have a friend who every time he's in amsterdam is nagging the folks at some shops to give him clones ( he does this for at least 5 years now - no chance) but many clones are not even shared with a great part of the dutch scene... i remember asking for good nyc d clones in some growshops in north-holland about 3 or 4 years ago, they told us back then that the good nyc d cut is held very closely by some amsterdam-crew and they themself want to get there hands on it for over a year and couldn't... don't want to know how many good clones have been lost in busts etc only because of hoarding in the nl in the last 20 years...

the truth is hard to find in all this haze (pun intented), the only thing i know to be true: hoarding sucks! go and spread your good clones and they will never be lost (not for you and not for the community)! wether the clone is called amnesia or ssh in the end, who cares if it's the shit big up moppel and core for sharing

but i understand correctly that the core-cut is not the uber-amnesia haze (described in the first part of the post) but the one that now is sold as amnesia haze in the shops?

As you can see this new Amnesia is SSH not old one somas best cut like belgo and sideshow are close boosted with haze after g13 indica blood.

Hazy story all in all.
 

GoatCheese

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core cut was found out of ssh seed from an icmag member named moppel
Moppel received it as a cutting, he didn't grow the seed
His posts:

Maybe its time to tell that the Amnesia Core Cut is in fact a SSH cut. When Core first got it (from me), he was told it was named Amnesia. Later i found out that its a SSH cut. although lot of coffeeshops sell it as Amnesia. But for example GH sells it as SSH atm. I have seen it in other shops as Superhaze.

Ok....this cut was selected by the guys from Bio Ibo.

Peace
 
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AfricanMagic

Interesting info Astro

I was wondering, is hypro a seed company?

I know the question to this answer my brotha.
Hy-Pro is renamed to Super Stains for their seeds biz. I liked the old name better...

https://www.superstrainsseeds.com/

Super Strains (formerly known as Hy-Pro Seeds) is a Dutch seed company that has produced notable Haze varieties. Their Amnesia Haze is one of the strongest Hazes ever developed and has won many different awards for its outstanding quality! In addition to the incredible Amnesia Haze, they have a few other outstanding cannabis strains available for you below. Be sure to check them out!
 
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AfricanMagic

Superstrains is a seed company founded in 2010.
In fact, the work existed for decades as Subactivities of the fertilizer manufacturer HY-PRO, and the self-sufficiency was a logical consequence.

The most important thing here was the flight that took the seeds branch when the feminisation process was introduced.
The Seedbank of HY-PRO grew into an independently operating organisation.

Was for the turn of the century the crossing and breeding main activity, is from 2000 the Feministen a process in which one has specialized.
The combination of these disciplines has ensured the leading position that Superstrains today occupies in its field.

The crosses and breeding of varieties over the years, the endless combination of properties such as growth, bloom, taste, effect, resistance etc.,
Had already led to a genetic result known all over the world as Amnesia.
It may be said that over a period of 20 years no kind of more has appeared on the market that is so appealing to the imagination as this legendary plant.

It is the vast choice of genetics from which the current assortment of Superstrains is distilled.
The available genetics is all the best according to Superstrains for each user, whether it is recreational or medicinal,
Outside or inside, as a final product or as a raw material for further processing.

With Amnesia as a flagship it is very worthwhile to take the entire assortment.

Besides her famous daughter there is for example Enemy of the state, the mother of Amnesia.
It is a particularly potent indica with a unique musky scent and taste. Despite her high age (since the late ‘ 80 on the market), she is still very popular, and since the emergence of medicated marijuana, its analgesic properties are highly significant to this popularity. It is also the most Indica variation in the assortment of Superstrains.

This assortment goes through El Cucaracha, 7th Wave, Next of Kin and eventually Amajikoym sativa.

As mentioned, the assortment is composed of the best available properties per variety, the range in itself is very well-organized and be crossings from 3ENot included in this generation.

Today, the activities of Superstrains mainly focus on genetic heredity and its predictability, which can make a special contribution to medicinal applications.
 

AstroTHC

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Moppel received it as a cutting, he didn't grow the seed
His posts:

Thx goat for good info bio ibo is coffe shop but M confirmed that it is SSH not Amnesia !!!!!!!

the biggest problem happened because of the wrong information and people who never smoked an Amnesia original.

First Hy-pro was only Nutrients company,but after Soma relise his Amnesia Haze(G13AmnesiaHazexG13hazeC) seed line.

They hurry up do same thing cuz worker who works in Hy pro made first seed line Afghan x Neville Haze. And they want their part of cake of money. So they start spreding stories to sell their seeds but this seed company never do something good and they sell it to XY.
Hypro seed pack was Core cut/ibo/moppel SSH x Neville Haze Male i grow it and grow femmed version of them also grow Jack o Nesia and also grow USC Amnesia IBL and Amnesia Bx1 the all resamble Core cut SSH

Amnesia was popular name in NL in small circle
Because of her strength, myths began to emerge.

Soma makes Amnesia Haze hype from 04 he gives to people original cut at HT. But same year he lost it from his seeds he found new 1 with close smell and taste but more stoney and it is ready 70-75 days.
ESKOBAR used this cut as SOMA cut in his breeding it is closer in smell to Original Amnesia.

It is all about money and part of cake and marketing and hype look before few years everithing was x OG kush,Now is Cookies,Sour come back again,and again hype is coming with Hazes and pure Sativas.

For example if you know that Coca Colla lost it racipe you will never buy it,thats it why hypro family say that SSH is Amnesia. No it is not
evribody who smoked Amnesia real one evry other herb looks like shit.

To me my OG cut is potent but after smoking Original Amnesia for few days I dont feel OG just lazy tiredness.
Also very good cuts you can find in Somas seeds for me second best 12+ weeks phenos and can compare to real Amnesia hazy but not so racy and psydelic like real one but for shure very strong and Hazy high.

After growing many seeds best for real tate/smell of Amnesia is Dampkring and Somas but before, today i dont know what is in seeds.

If you want fast flower SSH(fake Amnesia) jack o nesia,and hypro seeds and royal queen and .... it is good represent of Core cut/ibo bio/moppel but they cant compare to real Amnesia.
But better then SSH for me is SLH.

Also i grew Mr nice SSH nothing close to Amnesia more fruty flavours but it has some part of Amnesia smells.

OK this is last post on my topic and i will explain all my resrch which i
upgraded shortly with a couple of information from verified sources.

First in 1996 seed line afghan(probably NL)x Neville Haze male from this comes Amnesia hypro original from Zweip.
There were no seed company no nothing just hypro nutirents and that it.
This cut it strongest i smoked in my life. Sometimes im so high on it like trip or mushrooms i see emotions in people fears and evrything ,
a deep connection to everything, a strong spirituality something like an open third eye. Very psydelic and strong strongest i had in my life.

This cut has held down south of NL.

Few people from south breed with it and still have it they recive it in 1998. Amnesia 98 14 week flower and poor yilder.

Next big step for Amnesia is HT 04 cup and Soma.
He gives original cut to people but seeds was
It's Amnesia Haze (1998 / 14 wk.) x G13 airborn indica(Reeferman) = Amnesia g13
1) Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
F1 sativa male = 12 wk = Amnesia H x G13 airborn male
3) G13-Am. H. x G13 sativa male(Soma) = Soma Seeds Amnesia Haze

Soma and Hypro lost cut of Original at 04 and they found new one Soma from his seeds ESKOBARs breeding cut 75 days and Hypro family which is not Zweip he was working in Hy-pro nutirents.
Recived SSH fake Amnesia (bio_ibo,core cut,moppel,AmnesiaSSH)

Not any of these 2 cuts are good as Original cut,closest i have found are very sativa 13+ weeks from Soma Seeds line.

After Amnesia Making hype evrybody wants Amnesia,and they grow Core cut which is SSH indica pheno 10 week flower with good yild,and floded the market of EU.

But old school people who smoked real Amnesia know that this SSH is just Bad Copy.
In taste,smell and High even soma seed line OP it.

But lots of young people didnt ever smoke before SSH Amnesia original so they spreding stories that SSH is Amnesia but it is not.

Also today S1 and crosses it is untrackable what is what,but if you ever smoke original you will know for shure why Amnesia make such a hype.
 
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