Genetics of new G13haze and Amnesia Haze in Holland after 2000's.

[TheDarkStorm]

Also id love to see evidence of amnesia haze from 1995-6 . Or any evidence of a line called amnesia haze pre dating super silver haze.

 

[AstroTHC]

Who made the skunk x haze-a cross.?? The haze male died before it could be put to much use an as far as I know the only surviving decendant of haze-a is the a5hz which is nl#5x haze-a. The jack hearer was c5hz x f1 skunk haze-c an at the unveiling of jack hearer credit for its creation was given to the phantom of cannabis castle wich was nevil. The super silver haze is c5hz x skunk haze-c but may have been a f4 skunk haze if I remember correctly. The only difference between wen these genetics wer first released an later was the breeder.these wer made by nevil originally. Ther was a line nevil made a5hz x skunk haze-c but was never available commercially..this is wat shanti uses in his rock n roll series. Soma also used a f1 male g13x haze-c that came from nevil this was used in many of his lines including his amnesia haze..

''Neville made a number of crosses using his two Haze males; He crossed the the Haze A male to his Northern Lights #5 and Hashplant female clones and a Skunk #1 female (#17 from seed). He also crossed the Haze C male to his G13 female clone, a Hawaiian Sativa female and a Durban Sativa female. The Hawaiian and Durban hybrids both won Cannabis Cups in the pure sativa category which gives a very strong endorsement of the breeding pedigree of the Haze C male.''

Do you really think that only crosses are made what mr.nice seeds make commercialy ??? Do you ask yourself why lots of plants come from south of holland ??
Neville made lots of crosses with haze A and C in all directions and with many haze hybrids,skunks and afghans...
the best cuts in NL you can find in comes from south
because in the early 1990s it was the most significant medical marijuana research institute in Rotterdam at times 100 crosses(strains) per harvest where grown there.

 

[AstroTHC]

Also id love to see evidence of amnesia haze from 1995-6 . Or any evidence of a line called amnesia haze pre dating super silver haze.

There was cut calles Amnesia no lines,also White widow,OG kush,Sour Diesel,Afghan T..... there are not lines they are cuts from some crosses....like Amnesia 98. is C5xSk/hzA.

 

[AstroTHC]

Also why do you think that seeds must be relised commercialy to someone have cut ??
First hybridization of Haze was A and C crossed to ganis,skunks,hasplants,g13,oaxan,hawaiian.... end of 80's.
second hybridization was all this first hybrids from end of 80's like NL5hazeA,Nl5hazeC,Ag13,CG13,skunkhazeA,skhzC....are crossed together and crossed to skunk,hashplants,ww,NL......begining of 90's till 2000's then shanti go to swiss...from this 2nd hybridization comes SSH,MH and many more...and lots and the best haze hybrids. Some lines are hermy prone and unstable so the arent relised but good cut are find in them.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Im talking about pre mr nice...I could be wrong about the only line that carries 50% haze-a is the a5hz. Maybe if yo sammy culd drop by an help us out here.. im not afraid of being wrong an actualy it would be a good thing if I was. As nevil himself has said the haze-a seemed to have extraordinary power but was unfortunately lost very early on.I like you remember the power of some of the hazes an similar to you remember everything changing in the very early 2000's. The first haze selected hybrids an phenotypes that wer being put out then would literally trip you out an would be so over powering in taste an flavor they would go up your nose. I know a number of ppl who stoped smoking because of the efects it was having on them..ppl complaining that ther heart would start skipping beats an they seemed to become paranoid an withdrawn..I like you am trying to find out wer these hav gone..the only thing that I could find out was the breeder an selector of these lines had to go back home so I was no longer able to aquire these lines.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Unless im misunderstanding wat your saying but wat you might be calling amnesia 98 may actually be the original super silver haze .remember that super silver haze hit a hatric at the cannabis cup three years in a row in the late 90's wich was pre mr nice.The amnesia you may be looking for may actually be a f1 original super silver haze seed..I could be wrong tho.. Hopefully u can dig some of these missing clones back up..good luck to u m8..an please do update us if you are able to locate something.

 

[Breadwizard]

HazeC x Hawaiian? Is a clone of that still floating around? That sounds amazing.

 

[AstroTHC]

Unless im misunderstanding wat your saying but wat you might be calling amnesia 98 may actually be the original super silver haze .remember that super silver haze hit a hatric at the cannabis cup three years in a row in the late 90's wich was pre mr nice.The amnesia you may be looking for may actually be a f1 original super silver haze seed..I could be wrong tho.. Hopefully u can dig some of these missing clones back up..good luck to u m8..an please do update us if you are able to locate something.

Yes that is what i am talking about. SSH old line and Amnesia are related.

First SSH was Nl5hazeCxSkunkHazeA genetic lineage from this line we have very good mostly haze hybrid cut someone called Amnesia (Amnesia98) and that cut was given to famous dutch breeder R... in south Holland and he start breed with it.
Amnesia 98 x g13...story from begining.


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd5Boe8gCqi/

perfect picture i find on IG of old SSH isnt it look like Nesel cut Amnesia 98.???

 

[clearheaded]

I dunno about barneys red diesel being g13haze. Itsq cali orange x sour d i thought. Or is it nycd with the g13haze in its backround?

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Wer has this information come from that originally the first super silver haze pedigree was c5hz x skunk haze-a come from.it certainly hasnt come from the man who actually made the line....nevil has always stuck with the fact that the super silver haze that he himself created was always c5hz x skhz-c. What other breeders did with his work after he bred those lines he was not sure of.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

One thing id love to locate is nevils first ever released haze hybrid haze x nl#1. The haze female nevil used in this cross he says was probably a generation earlier than the two males he used in the rest of his haze work and seemed to represent the esence of pure haze even more than the males..but he ended up cutting it down because it wouldn't finish even after taking 3 seed crops from it it still kept going taking up a huge amount of space so he cut it down.

 

[AstroTHC]

Wer has this information come from that originally the first super silver haze pedigree was c5hz x skunk haze-a come from.it certainly hasnt come from the man who actually made the line....nevil has always stuck with the fact that the super silver haze that he himself created was always c5hz x skhz-c. What other breeders did with his work after he bred those lines he was not sure of.

MNS SSH is : (NL5 x HzC) X (SK1 x HzC). The NL5xHaze in SSH , is the mother of SSH and this female plant is named NL5Hz1.

MNS Mango Haze is : (NL5 x HzC) X (SK1 x HzA). The NL5xHaze in MH , is the mother of MH and this female plant is named NL5Hz122. This female plant is called 'Mango Haze' or simply 'Mango'.

NL5Hz1 is C5 haze.

So it is not SSH, Amnesia 98. (14 weeks flower ) comes from seed line of Mango Haze.

 

[wassupmane]

probably that amazing amnesia we were smokin around 2012.. dutch amnesia
then we had these "spanish" commercial amnesia .. core cut and hypro
i love core cut but i always knew there was a superior amnesia

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Mango haze from mr nice does not contain any haze-a in it fact..mango haze was originally made by nevil..nevil himself confirmed the pedigree of mango haze an that it only has one difference to super silver haze an that is the mother plant used..in super silver haze the pedigree is the original c5hz clone x skhz-c the mango is c5hz(122) x skhz-c at the same time as nevil made these he also made a5hz x skhz-c but shanti wont sell this line an just uses it as a parent plant in his crosses..all these lines use the same father the f4 skhaze -c these are facts confirmed by nevil himself.. I dont know wer all these stories about using a skhaze -a come from but they never came from the original holder of the parental plants an maker ov these lines..if any breeder has come out with stories of ther being skhaze-a in any lines well u need to ask them how this is possible..because only nevil held the haze-a so once he lost this ppl coming out with stories that some how thev mysterious managed to aquire haze-a an make a skhaze-a..and even if this was possible it would no longer be super silver haze or mango haze or wat shanti cals haze a/c but would actually be a completely different cross so shud have a different name..ppl other then nevil telling you lines have both haze-a in and haze-c wen they clearly dont are doing it to make sales..or cuz they have no clue how they wer originally made or are using the Neville's haze wich does contain haze-a an haze-c as a father to a line as they dont have the original parental plants that made these lines so are using f1 seed from nevils stock.

 

[AstroTHC]

Mango haze from mr nice does not contain any haze-a in it fact..mango haze was originally made by nevil..nevil himself confirmed the pedigree of mango haze an that it only has one difference to super silver haze an that is the mother plant used..in super silver haze the pedigree is the original c5hz clone x skhz-c the mango is c5hz(122) x skhz-c at the same time as nevil made these he also made a5hz x skhz-c but shanti wont sell this line an just uses it as a parent plant in his crosses..all these lines use the same father the f4 skhaze -c these are facts confirmed by nevil himself.. I dont know wer all these stories about using a skhaze -a come from but they never came from the original holder of the parental plants an maker ov these lines..if any breeder has come out with stories of ther being skhaze-a in any lines well u need to ask them how this is possible..because only nevil held the haze-a so once he lost this ppl coming out with stories that some how thev mysterious managed to aquire haze-a an make a skhaze-a..and even if this was possible it would no longer be super silver haze or mango haze or wat shanti cals haze a/c but would actually be a completely different cross so shud have a different name..ppl other then nevil telling you lines have both haze-a in and haze-c wen they clearly dont are doing it to make sales..or cuz they have no clue how they wer originally made or are using the Neville's haze wich does contain haze-a an haze-c as a father to a line as they dont have the original parental plants that made these lines so are using f1 seed from nevils stock.

mr nice seeds mango haze iz with sk/hzA beta version or neville original was skunk/haze C.
Ask shanti he will tell you that. He have lots of seeds from N. they did not plant all seeds they have. He start mr nice seeds in 98. And this cut is labeled Amnesia 98. It has smells of Skunk haze A fem clone what i had sampled. But other smells are C5 like. So i dont say that it is 100% truth. And i dont know did you smoke that cut. But many people will tell you that Mango Hz line is more Haze than SSH line. And pepper and dead fish amonia smell comes from skunk haze A. While ginger cardamom and turpentine comes from C haze side.
Best cuts from somas line are close to : there is something very special that is indeed amnesia haze in the NL that is sold in a lot of shops (and is imho what led to the reputation amnesia haze has),...she's a really special hazy-floral herb...the nesel(amnesia98) seems more related to soma's amnesia haze:this one is hazy too, but doesn't have the floral edge that the nesel has, and has a more thai-citrus-haziness but i could believe that her and nesel are directly related somehow... but i'm having a really hard time to believe that this should be ssh, it's different to any ssh i have tried... the hypro amnesia didn't remind me of ssh too, as she has nothing hazy about her (imho) but i have tried ssh phenos that were not hazy so this seems more of a possibility than amnesia haze = ssh...it is quote from very good haze grower and smoker.

soma has a more thai-citrus-haziness after haze boost from g13hazeC. those smells are from C haze more Thai.
Flowers Edge comes from haze A...also this Amnesia was more spicy incense also haze A columbian note.
Lots of evidence i have for my theory.

 

[AstroTHC]

I dont talk about seed line i talk about specific Amnesia Haze cut original which make Amnesia become big name in canna world wide.
It is not core cut that built that name. It is far more superior Amnesia than Core cut like somone stated here.

This thread is fantastic.
To me, the real deal Amnesia Haze is
Very Hazy
Very Citrusy
Very Peppery (shanti tell that peppery in his seed lines comes from haze A) !!
Not sour or sugary

Batches of his cut were sold in France/Belgium/Germany by dozens of kilos each month
between 2004 and 2008. I smoked several hundred grams of that dutch cut.

This weed was so FANTASTIC that it was sold 25E a gram in ghettos and people (I included) were almost fighting when the stock was in shortage.
The taste was extremely subtle and delicate and the high was totally sativa. It was a soaring, upbeat, energizing high.
The best weed I've ever smoked and will ever smoke in my life. Nothing can beat this.

And once in 2009, I scored 300g of a totally different Amnesia Haze, still imported from Holland but completely different. Buds were much bigger, with no foxtails, it had much more Indica in it. The taste was clearly a relative of the real Amnesia Haze.
And If I had to tell difference in taste and smell, I would say that this one was
-less hazy
-not citrusy
-not peppery
-more sugary
-more sour/rotten fruits

And that it somewhat smelled like a very sugary blend of whisky, like Jack Daniel.
Completely different in aspects, taste, smell and high. This one was grown and cured to perfection but was not nearly as sativa as the real one, the Real Amnesia Haze.

 

[AstroTHC]

So in fact real Amnesia Haze is haze dominant C and A combination.
Somas is original AH x g13 indica from reef.
then R... breed that line for 3 generation.
Then boosted back with C dominant haze g13haze male.
And core cut i think it is original AH crossed with bubblegum.
More stony,hazy...more skunky,sugary,lemony,bubblegum and flower time 10 weeks.
Today 95% procent in seed business with SSH,Amnesia,SLH...are core cut x or S1.
But in SSH line you can find good phenos but nothing comaprable to real Amnesia Haze of 98.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Msg shanti an ask him if mango haze ever had haze-a in it becase nevil himself said it definitely didnt the only way that would be possible is if he's took nevils f1 mango haze wich is c5hz(122) x skhz-c picked out a mother from seed an used Neville's haze as a father then perhaps bred the outcome back to the f1 mango haze.. iv seen shanti on a number ov occasions say that mango haze an super silver haze only had one single difference an that was the mother plant used..even nevil himself has said this...an that only difference was the mother plant used in those lines...with super silver haze using the same mother as the original jack wich is the c5hz(1) an in mango haze he used the c5hz(122)..if there was more than one difference then the statement "one difference" would not ring true...shanti does not have a skhz-a.. yes nevil did leave shanti with his plants wen he went back to Australia but definitely skhz-a was not one of them...also despite wat evrone thinks haze-a was the more old school original thai stick leaning haze out of the two haze males an haze-c lent towards the Columbian side this was also a fact stated by nevil..an by the way nevils super silver haze the original one was very peppery spicy incensey the amonia or cat pis smell comes from doubling up on haze-c...this sounds like wat your describing as amnesia 98 dont it..the haze-a had a more leathery antique sort ov livery , rotting smell.... the super silver haze out ther now or any time after 2000 is not the same as nevils..if you remember wen shanti first released his version of super silver he was promoting it as being a upgraded super silver haze but never ever clarified wat the upgrade was, but his version seemed to yield huge and was more indica an was lighter green an had less of those hard to grow haze phenos in it an was way more indoor friendly...sounded alot like he'd added more nl#5 in the mix..perhaps that was his upgrade.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Just so you know..I wanted to say please dont think im being rude or fussy or arrogant towards you...I believe if we can sort through the mess an gett to the facts it may help you or me atleast get nearer to finding some ov the true old school hazes that we miss.

 

[AstroTHC]

The SkHz is an older variety from one of the guys behind SSSC (Super Sativa Seed Club) back in the day.
This line is combines Skunk#1(SamS) x Haze(Seedline SamS).
It stinks like rotten whale and threw to many nanners on me this run so i'm letting it go.
Not something i like to say the least.
A friend o mine smelled it and says it's probably used to make the original Amnesia haze, crossed with maybe a SSH dad or a 5Hz of somekind. The original amnesia haze had the same kind of rotten smell.
The high it produces however is very good. Very psychadelic stuff but you'll have to get over the taste to enjoy it. I don't and lot's of folks i know share this viewpoint, it's a horroble smell and taste. Rotten whale!
On the other side, it is a great yielder and the buds get dens and really fat. Nice clear resin on it.
Overall a very nice strain if not for the nanners.. but def not my cup of bud.
Quote by Yo sammy.

So shure part of original Amnesia is SK/hz. Shanti tell 1000 times it is SK/hz A on mr. nice forums is in Mango Haze.
on that SSSC cut sammy say this.
SSSC OSH is SK#1 x Haze made by SamS back in the day so I was told by the guy that shared it with me. This guy is behind the revival of SSSC. Maybe you could hit him up for further info.
It does hold some comparable traits with A5 Haze, similar liver notes, same darkness to its potency. So haze A...characteristics.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=167273 read smoke report it is something special mango hz pheno...close like original Amnesia high...
This herb should come with a recording of the NASA launch sequence... Because you're gonna have "liftoff"!
Wow, super amazing and unbelievably potent... This right here, is what it's all about. A motivational herb which takes you to the core, and I haven't found a ceiling as of yet... It just slices through any other "high" like a Ginsu... Really! I have a good sample, yet I find myself smoking this with some restraint... Not because I want to conserve what I have... No, it's because this herb makes all other herbs seem like garbage! And that's real talk!

The aroma is a spicy haze, with an undertone of unripe mango.. And the taste, translates well from the smell.
What's truly interesting is when having handled some nugs, your fingers are left with this faintly sweet smell of chocolate, but it doesn't translate into the taste, but awesome nonetheless! As mentioned before, this sample has been cured for 80+ days.. Making it smooth to medicate, but if you take a fatty you're bound to choke... Because you'll find yourself holding this special smoke in a bit longer than you would with other strains

The duration of the high is quite long... You still feel it 4 hours later, granted not as high as just having toked, but 4 hours later you still feel it pretty good. A big plus here, no comedown! You feel good smoking this, this is conversation herb... Everyone I've smoked out, has been wowed on the first hit! And I consider myself and the company I keep to be seasoned smokers.. This herb is truly something special...quote from this forum on Mango Haze..
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=103767....best weed...close to piff which closest is Bandaid Haze again Haze A characteristics or old Neville Haze phenos also nl5hazeA x Haze C...

And many pro haze growers confirmed that Haze C have more Thai caracteristics and Haze A more Columbian characteristics....sammy,ACE,Karma....

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/278-lineage-mh-ssh-nh.html
read this....on Mango HZ ...

Also AG13 haze Smells like gentle pepper, incense and sweet flowers all in one.
Flowery tone,darker colour,pepper and incense are part of original SSH and MH and Amnesia98 and it comes from haze A shanti told milion times on mr nice forums peppery comes from A side.