Gas Prices Are Insane!!!!!

[DiscoBiscuit]

legacies don't necessarily end when presidents retire

 

[bombadil.360]

Disco, I'm going to let you know, even though you're a little socialst comunist little fuck, I still love you, why? I don't fucking know; there's other people like this I do not love; but I love love you; you're good deep down inside.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

We got out of Iraq according to the previous administration's signed agreement. We're no longer putting prisoners in GITMO and are currently finagling congressional roadblocks of repatriating 82 prisoners. The few left will have to be dis-positioned and if Congress approves, return terrorist prosecutions to civilian courts. This will end the potential of indefinite detentions and Miranda rights issues.

We won't stop going after terrorists but I don't imagine we'll invade, occupy and eventually quit. We'll use CIA, FBI and special forces, just like we always did before imagining our military would scare terrorists into playing nice.

That's a considerable change in overall strategy yet we're still mired in Afghanistan. The Afghan exit will make the Iraq pullout look like the Iraqi's smiled and said, "Come back and see us." We have little choice. We can't stay there and we can't improve the conditions for withdrawal. It's going to be a major mess for decades. These folks are still in the 12th century so they may hate us for centuries to come. Could be a considerable legacy.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Disco, I'm going to let you know, even though you're a little socialst comunist little fuck, I still love you, why? I don't fucking know; there's other people like this I do not love; but I love love you; you're good deep down inside.

The Republican's Biblical Boondoggle

By Frank Schaeffer
Posted: 02/27/2012 11:23 am

The base of the Republican Party is to be pitied more than feared. They have literally been conditioned to fear their own brains. Their religious indoctrination has actually destroyed their ability to reason. No wonder they eagerly believe in Fox News' alternative reality.

Outside observers here in the US and overseas shake their heads in wonderment over just how it is that so many Republicans seem to literally come from somewhere else, say another planet.

"How on earth could they believe" fill-in-the-blank: that global warming is not real, that evolution never happened, that an embryo is a "person," that the right to carry a gun equals "security," that President Obama is a socialist, communist, Muslim, the Antichrist, soft on terror, a dangerous man, not a Christian, the wrong sort of Christian or that history text books should reflect America's "Christian country" status...
or...

that Santorum could ever become president!

To help readers understand the mindset that leads to the embrace of falsehood as truth maybe I can help. I am a former insider of the religious right and the evangelical movement as I describe in my book Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back.

Insider Fact One, the backbone of the Republican Party is the American Evangelical community and the conservative Roman Catholic community.

Insider Fact Two, American Evangelicals and conservative Roman Catholics are raised from birth to reject common sense, learning and progress in favor of a literal interpretation of the Bible.

How do these facts contribute to the state in which the ever more fringe Republican Party finds itself in?

Simple: if your base is a group that has been trained to reject truth in favor of faith in faith, they will believe anything because rejection of what "everyone else believes" is a bedrock article of faith and your very identity.

Let's be blunt: science has rendered a literal interpretation of any scripture, be it the Bible, Koran, whatever, as impossible. For many religious people this means that they have sought out deeper meanings in a spirituality that depends on a more intuitive sense of meaning and purpose than a slavish attempt to follow texts that have been simply disproven.

But for another group -- the fundamentalists of all religions -- modernity has been "answered" by opting out or attacking facts as lies.

Enter Madrassas of all kinds, literal -- as in Pakistan -- or virtual -- as in the Evangelical home school movement and private school movement. Enter the Evangelical TV and radio and publishing industries and mega churches as personality cults. Enter the "conservative" Roman Catholic bishops, cut off from their own far more tolerant (and liberal) flocks.

The rise of the religious right within religion is designed intentionally to isolate, indoctrinate and "protect" from challenging ideas. Fundamentalist leaders, be they conservative bishops or evangelical leaders, do this because actual true information is no longer helpful to the fundamentalist religious cause. So that cause becomes about controlling the minds of the faithful by cutting them off from other opinions.

Having circled the wagons and gone inward, the American evangelical community and conservative Roman Catholics now speak their own language, have their own culture, and they despise and fear the country they dwell in as virtual strangers. This is a self-imposed exile.

But when general elections come along the evangelical community, Roman Catholic bishops' et al, like some hibernating creature, are forced (as it were) from their cave. For a brief moment they must interact with the larger world in the full light of day.

When the fundamentalist, anti-modern community emerges the rest of the population gets a rare look at how the conservative reactionary "brain" of fundamentalism works. All of a sudden the larger world is reminded that there really are people like the ultra-conservative Roman Catholic bishops who actually think contraceptives are wicked things. All of a sudden the larger world is reminded that right here amongst us are people who believe that Satan is attacking us, that we should attack Iran to make Israel safe for Jesus' return, that a sperm and egg joined 5 seconds ago is a "person", that evolution is a secularist plot, that the Federal Reserve is of the devil, etc., etc.

And the cry goes up (once again) "How could they believe this stuff?"

How indeed?

It takes training for years to reject what is true. That training starts in a million Sunday schools and carries on through home schooling or private religious "education" and is completed in a hundred alternative Christian "colleges." It is sustained by a network of magazines like Christianity Today, World and many more. It has its own celebrity culture with heroes that no one outside the religious ghetto has heard of but who are selling literally millions of books to their followers.

Is it any wonder that a bedrock article of faith in the Republican Party is now that public schools are evil? Is it any wonder Santorum says he objects to President Obama saying all kids should work to go to college? In fact anything public and open to accountability is to be feared. Education is feared most of all.

All public space is hated because in that space, from infrastructure projects to the Federal Reserve to the UN to all government agencies, there has to be an acceptable baseline of fact that everyone buys into. Universities and the media -- both places where ideas are discussed openly -- are hated most of all.

So public space is demonized because by its very nature it falls outside of the control of the "mullahs," -- i.e. the pastors and bishops and celebrity religious leaders that are fighting off facts to maintain their control of their flocks. And the government is demonized because it imposes a rule of law over and above the Bible's mandates.

And that is why "They" -- the bedrock supporters of the Republican Party -- do what they do and allow a Santorum to emerge as a serious candidate. The base of the Republican Party don't live here in our world anymore, they have moved to the Bronze Age and like it there.

The problem is that the "conservatives" (who are actually revolutionaries) are not content to just live in their private space and indoctrinate their children. They want to make the rest of us reject facts and move into their time machine with them and travel back to a world safe from truth.

And the far right of the evangelical movement and far right Roman Catholic bishops are also at war with their more moderate people.
There are many moderate religious people (I'm one), as the emergence of the Wild Goose Festival proves. Wild Goose is set to be held for the second year running in June and attracts several thousand religious people including many moderate evangelicals and Roman Catholics committed to saving religion from fanatics.

Moreover I'm in the middle of a speaking tour to colleges and churches, many with religious affiliations called "Theocracy or Democracy?" and far from being chased out of town I'm welcomed by many religious people. To them I'm defending religion by trying to separate faith from politics and spirituality from fundamentalism.

So by no means am I saying that all religious people fit the description of the fanatics made here. But to the extent that the evangelical/Roman Catholic fanatical wing of American religion has taken over the Republican Party their motto seems to be -- lies are truth! From the Creationist Museum to the latest falsehood about how the Dutch are killing their elderly or that Obama is "anti-religion" because he wants all women to have access to contraception, the reaction is to just dig the falsehood hole deeper and deeper.

Brains can be altered by how they are abused and misused from early childhood on. In that sense the evangelical and conservative Roman Catholic fundamentalists are damaged people. They are hurting and lost and lashing out at reality itself. And they are presiding over the destruction of the Republican Party.

Frank Schaeffer is a writer. His new book is Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/the-republicans-biblical-_b_1302127.html

Best regards, bombadil360. Sorry but love is a stretch.

 

[supermanlives]

well i dont love any of U

 

[bombadil.360]

well i dont love any of U

I still love you even if you do not love me though

 

[bombadil.360]

[/i]Best regards, bombadil360. Sorry but love is a stretch.

some people can confuse the "streching" of "things" with love; but that ain't really love; I have also fallen for that one in the past lol

 

[supermanlives]

id love you more if you could drop the gas prices about 1$

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

love is in the air

 

[mrwags]

AND ITS GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE!!!!

i was JUST watching the World News broadcast on TV, they were talking about gas prices in a segment....

AND IT WENT UP 10 CENTS IN THE TWO MINUTES THE GAS NEWS SEGMENT WAS ON!!!!!! UP TO $5.10 FROM $4.99!!!!!!!

WTF?

im going to go fill me gas guzzlers up, RIGHT NOW!!!

They said no to the pipeline in the east and so far this year the USA has exported MORE OIL then they have imported for the first time in decades but yet OPEC is allowed to set the price even tho the Oil Fields in Iraq that got opened 2 years ago were only opened because we set up shop to defend them so in a sense we are paying at both ends YET AGAIN since the cost of the war was funded by us the Tax Payer's when no one brings up the war time law regarding resources available and their uses as such.

To know to much truth sometimes makes me sick to my stomach when you understand the outright in our face fuck you attitudes they have when they tell us why it's so expensive. Like we are all stupid little sheep.


Originally Posted by SpasticGramps View Post
If 18 wheelers would convert over to NatGas that would really drop demand for crude. With NatGas being so cheap right now I would think some trucking companies would be looking at converting. I'm starting to see more and more NatGas pumping stations pop up.


BUT THE TRUTH IS:


Diesel fuel is a byproduct that comes from making gasoline. In the early days b4 diesel this stuff was considered worthless and thrown away. Now that we have a need for it and the trucks GOTTA HAVE it they now charge more for it since without it we have nothing on our store shelves.


I Gotta Go Puke
Mr.Wags

 

[mrwags]

love is in the air

I got love for ya Disco and anyone else as well if they will have me. Since I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body I guess you can call me a whore and I'll say ty.


Be Well
Mr.Wags

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I still respect you, mrwaggs.

 

[supermanlives]

i am so glad i can walk everywhere. except my kayak trips.. oohhh well the price of weed around here just rose 50 cents LOL

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I live in kayak country. Never took the plunge. I remember the old ones that were more difficult to maneuver. I imagined myself in the putout area up-side-down and everyone laughing.

 

[SpasticGramps]

but yet OPEC is allowed to set the price

The Saudi's need $80/barrel oil to keep buying their people off so they don't revolt like some of other Middle East countries. In 2008 this price was $60. A decade ago it was $20. Who knows what it will be in a few more years? It's an inflationary spiral.

Why the Saudis want $100-a-barrel oil Washington Post

In 2008, Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah called $75-a-barrel oil a “fair price.” But the price of fairness seems to be rising fast: According to the Financial Times, the Saudis now prefer to keep oil prices at about $100 per barrel. What’s changed?

In a word, spending. Over the past few years, the Saudi government has taken advantage of sky-high crude prices to spend lavishly on public works and social programs to stave off the unrest that’s capsizing parts of the Middle East. As a result, the country now needs prices to stay above $80 per barrel to balance its budgets, up from $60 per barrel in 2008 and way, way up from $20 per barrel a decade ago. It’s a big shift in attitude: The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and other oil producers used to be wary of overly high prices — because, if oil got too costly, then countries such as the United States might start rooting around for alternatives.
It’s not just the Saudis, either. A 2011 report from the International Monetary Fund found that the “break-even” point for the world’s major oil producers has been rising at a shocking rate. Russia now needs crude prices at roughly $110 per barrel to shore up its finances. Iraq, Bahrain, Algeria, Iran and the United Arab Emirates all need prices between $80 and $100 per barrel. The lone exceptions, Qatar and Kuwait, can skate by with moderately lower prices, but even those countries have seen their break-even points creep upward in recent years.

 

[mrwags]

The Saudi's need $80/barrel oil to keep buying their people off so they don't revolt like some of other Middle East countries. In 2008 this price was $60. A decade ago it was $20. Who knows what it will be in a few more years? It's an inflationary spiral.

Why the Saudis want $100-a-barrel oil Washington Post

Yeah ok I can see that but when we into Iraq the second time we secured the open fields in less than 3 days actually less time than what it took us to get into New Orleans when it flooded but that's another thread. Any way you scholars remember the Geneva Convention (the rules of war)in there it states that if a country is defending you and you have a resource that can help them in this cause it's theirs,but we load up that damn oil in Iraq send it back to Texas refine it and send it the hell back to where it came from all done so by a company that was given the contract without a bid process. For the first time in American history I might ad.

Not only that, 6 months after we invaded 8 fields were open for bid to start drilling. When asked why these fields were not open before hand they reply with one simply word. SECURITY.

I'm not wanting this to turn into a political thread so I have not named names political party's are current administration members.


Any of you needs to seriously sit down with any person you know who was on the ground during any of these so called wars and have a serious conversation because what you hear from the source I assure you is much different than what you see or read.

Do some digging check out the BBC because I assure you the truth does not lie in the USA for they control that plain and simple and anyone who speaks it will be bombarded with so much terrorist talk that well with the new Patriot Act law I'm a damn terrorist by simply using the words terrorists and Patriot Act in the same sentence and oh my gosh I did it twice.

This 5% game is nothing new and the rules were set in stone long b4 there was even any %. The sooner we understand that and do are best to get whats left over imho makes life a hell of a lot easier.


Be Safe
Mr.Wags

 

[SpasticGramps]

Any way you scholars remember the Geneva Convention (the rules of war)in there it states that if a country is defending you and you have a resource that can help them in this cause it's theirs,but we load up that damn oil in Iraq send it back to Texas refine it and send it the hell back to where it came from all done so by a company that was given the contract without a bid process. For the first time in American history I might ad.

I hear you bro. We are going around bombing everyone and stealing their resources at the moment. We are aggressor that Germany was in WWII. All in the name of "spreading democracy" and "freedom" and killing the "evil doers." The propaganda at home is ridiculous.

We don't produce anything at home anymore expect our war machine. Eventually we will run into problems with some of the superpowers (China and/or Russia) as we start to threaten their resources and national interests.

 

[krunchbubble]

paid $4.24 today...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Every penny increase in the price at the pump is a $200 million windfall for oil companies. The fact they're the richest corporations on the planet says they're doing lots of things right - for themselves.

We're going to see another round of attempting to end the $4 billion oil industry subsidy and Grover will cry tax increase. We're going to see attempts to restrict oil speculation and transactions w/o delivery. Anything seen as a win for the people will be seen as a no from the opposition so none of this is definite. But it'll be rough on lawmakers who appear sympathetic to rich oil execs.

 

[krunchbubble]

so, how do we become part of the get rich with gas scheme?