Fucking Busted Hardcore........

[krunchbubble]

WTF! You kept patient records, on paper, in your home! Negligence brother, negligence. There are services you can use for like $50 a month that will verify with LEO's your patient count, store the data off site (outside the US) and keep that confidential information safe (HIPPA Compliant). The privacy of your patients information should be more important to you then anything else.

Refer to: http://greenlifecaregiver.com/

sounds like your a rep or you work for the company..........

Know what you are doing before you start acting! I feel bad for you but worse for anyone else who gets caught up in your shit.

wtf are you saying here? are you trying to start shit?

 

[Marshall]

i thought you had to have the original license hanging at the grow location. That prevented multiple grow spots using the same license


But WTF do I know. I am not in cali and though med grows were legal.

 

[Neo 420]

i thought you had to have the original license hanging at the grow location. That prevented multiple grow spots using the same license.

That's my understanding of the situation.

 

[JJScorpio]

If they took all these files as you say, that means they have all these peoples names and personal information. You should probably contact these people and let them know in case the Law decides to do something. Couldn't they arrest them and make them prove they are compliant?

 

[krunchbubble]

If they took all these files as you say, that means they have all these peoples names and personal information. You should probably contact these people and let them know in case the Law decides to do something. Couldn't they arrest them and make them prove they are compliant?

trust me, i have been trying. but when all the info you have on them are taken, its pretty hard. 1/2 of them have been contacted already.

my lawyer said my patients have nothing to worry about. i only take patients that have real doctors and not a bullshit medicann recommendation or one of those $50 doctor recommendations, my patients have to have a family doctor recommend it to them......

 

[Neo 420]

If they took all these files as you say, that means they have all these peoples names and personal information. You should probably contact these people and let them know in case the Law decides to do something. Couldn't they arrest them and make them prove they are compliant?

I have never heard of the leo going after patients as such but it could happen.

 

[guest456mpy]

I have never heard of the leo going after patients as such but it could happen.

This part is not as important as the fact that according to Federal Law all caregivers of ANY KIND (ie not just MMJ) are mandated to keep ALL patient records safe, secure and confidential. This is known as HIPAA.

I they turn this over to the FEDs it won't be jailtime, but MASSIVE fines. Let's hope they are not that smart, after all they are only LEO... (LOL).

BTW Krunch... I'm not pointing this at you. I'm trying to warn all folks out there all the booby traps and loop holes there are waiting to trip anyone caught in the system and making your job a nightmare. Keep all patient records secure and confidential!

 

[kmk420kali]

This part is not as important as the fact that according to Federal Law all caregivers of ANY KIND (ie not just MMJ) are mandated to keep ALL patient records safe, secure and confidential. This is known as HIPAA.

SCOTUS has determined that to be a Caregiver, you must have a personal relationship with your "Patient"...not just grow weed--
That is why it is now Collectives, instead of Caregivers--
HIPAA has nothing to do with this-- Especially since your Rec does not state what your medical problem is--

As for keeping Recs at the grow, copies are just fine...altho you may need to provide originals in Court, or, if the Judge so wishes, to have all the Recs verified--

 

[guest456mpy]

HIPPA has othing to do with MMJ, it has everything to do with keeping patient information safe and confidential. ANY documentation linking any patient info, whether charts, rec even reciepts fall under HIPPA. By providing medication for a patient, one becomes liable for keeping all patient info safe, even for something as benign as tooth extractions or wart removal.

Just keep the records safe, for JAH's sake! That's all!

 

[kmk420kali]

HIPPA has othing to do with MMJ, it has everything to do with keeping patient information safe and confidential. ANY documentation linking any patient info, whether charts, rec even reciepts fall under HIPPA. By providing medication for a patient, one becomes liable for keeping all patient info safe, even for something as benign as tooth extractions or wart removal.

Just keep the records safe, for JAH's sake! That's all!

It is a "Collective"-- They are not his Patients, they are his EQUALS-- The Law states that you must have documentation of verifiable Recommendations in the grow...and provide them to any LEO who asks...the same as if you are pulled over on the streets, and the cop asks to see your Rec, you cannot claim HIPAA--

 

[guest456mpy]

An arguement will not help Krunch and is veering off topic.
A doctor's recommendation is part of his medical record.
I can surrender my recommendation, but have no authority to allow anyone to take anyone else's. They may see it, but not take it.

I'm done here.

 

[kmk420kali]

An arguement will not help Krunch and is veering off topic.
A doctor's recommendation is part of his medical record.
I can surrender my recommendation, but have no authority to allow anyone to take anyone else's. They may see it, but not take it.

I'm done here.

You are the one getting butt-hurt, i am simply telling you the same thing our Collective's Lawyers told us--
We must have Recs available on site-- After that, how do you tell the cops they can't have them??
Seriously dude, this has everything to do with Krunch's Case...that is why I am harping on it...not just to "argue" with you, which surprised me, since I thought we were "discussing"--

 

[rives]

i only take patients that have real doctors and not a bullshit medicann recommendation or one of those $50 doctor recommendations, my patients have to have a family doctor recommend it to them......

I was surprised at this. My family doctor, who wrote a recommendation letter to the pot quack, isn't licensed to write mmj rec's. In fact, there is only one doctor within a 75 mile radius who is licensed to write them. Is it common in the Bay Area for family doctors to be licensed for mmj rec's?

 

[kmk420kali]

I was surprised at this. My family doctor, who wrote a recommendation letter to the pot quack, isn't licensed to write mmj rec's. In fact, there is only one doctor within a 75 mile radius who is licensed to write them. Is it common in the Bay Area for family doctors to be licensed for mmj rec's?

Your Dr bullshitted you...he was just scared to write it himself--
Any Dr (Except Chiropractors) can write a Rec--

 

[guest456mpy]

Those record's were on site, or in his trunk. Big difference!
We are discussing and I'm not "butt-hurt" just try to keep Krunch's thread on topic.

If you open another thread, I'm happy to discuss this, there.

 

[Space Case]

So what was the thread count?

 

[trichrider]

I would like to add my sincerest wishes that you beat this rap. The goal here is to soothe your anxieties about what will happen.
Sorry again that you got popped.
LEO all wanna be feds, or at least have the power the feds do! Come a time they will (fucking cruel joke on the lot of us)...but I digress...get back to your house and contact your 'patients', let them know what happened and allow them to find an alternative source, Please! don't just leave them wondering!

 

[kmk420kali]

Out of all the D's that have been raided and had their Record confiscated, can anybody show me any Cases where the Feds, or anybody else went after any of the Patients??
I agree, in Theory you are right, they COULD...
But in Reality, they don't-- There is nothing they could charge them with--

 

[guest456mpy]

Out of all the D's that have been raided and had their Record confiscated, can anybody show me any Cases where the Feds, or anybody else went after any of the Patients??
I agree, in Theory you are right, they COULD...
But in Reality, they don't-- There is nothing they could charge them with--

You are assuming that LEO will play clean and fair!

OK let's just play "what if"...

What if someone like LA's infamous sheriff has a bug up his ass.
He busts someone and obtains the Dr's recs in their possession. He proceeds to go to each and every patient's employer and asks questions about the patient. Note, no charges ever have to be made, just questions asked. Said employer fires employee due to "drug free workplace bullshit." Employee sues collective and it goes to court, maybe even to SCOTUS. How do long you think that the previous decision will stand?

My point? If you stand by the ethics of "compassion" why would you expose your patient, or whatever you choose to term him or her, to such dangers.

That is the spirit of HIPAA, if you want to be compassionate with the people who need it, you would be 100% in compliance. If not, I'm not sure I'd want you as my caregiver, or collective, or whatever term is in fashion at the time. The point is that the truly needy people (ones who need this kind of help) are the last people in the world who need yet another problem in their lives.

Are you with me on this?

 

[guest456mpy]

BTW Krunch, I truly hope nothing ever goes this far and wish you the very best and that you get off "Scot Free" !