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[Sampas92]

Thanks MarsHydro, i must say also that the light is a beast!!

Explo dunno,i wonder how the Killer is always praying with that ph.

Fitzera, thanks bro, from what uv read online on how others flush and etc, i guess there will be a lot of water going in those pots in the next days, because i cant give 100l per pot maybe that fast, but i need to be fast because of the stage they are

Example i took 2hours last night just to flush 25l trough the Gori, the run off ph dropped half a point, water going at 5ph, soil test of the top of the soil reads 6, so even tho its lowering, it will take some time and i guess i will need to use the bio bloom nutes for the rest of the flowering.

Lets see

Peace

 

[Fitzera]

Thanks MarsHydro, i must say also that the light is a beast!!

Explo dunno,i wonder how the Killer is always praying with that ph.

Fitzera, thanks bro, from what uv read online on how others flush and etc, i guess there will be a lot of water going in those pots in the next days, because i cant give 100l per pot maybe that fast, but i need to be fast because of the stage they are

Example i took 2hours last night just to flush 25l trough the Gori, the run off ph dropped half a point, water going at 5ph, soil test of the top of the soil reads 6, so even tho its lowering, it will take some time and i guess i will need to use the bio bloom nutes for the rest of the flowering.

Lets see

Peace

Dang it. Like stated though, they don't appear like they're in a caustic environment so that's good!

 

[gizmo666]

hope they recover well for you sampas

 

[Sampas92]

Thanks gizmo

Fitz dunno, iv been wondering for example i did a top soil of the Gori right about now, the same that got 6 yesterday after 25l of flush buffered up to 10+, so i dunno but i will proceed with the flush because thats the only thing i think i can do, that or bin them.

Thing is i never measured the ph of the run off, so i dont know when it started, i blame the Kalong ashes in the watering, even tho ph to 6.5, some how in the soil it buffered up, also less than the recomended by the brand.
I wonder if the water may have been raising the ph of the soil along the way crashing completely with the ashes, dunno and also dunno how all of this is going to end.

Well we live and learn

Peace

 

[Fitzera]

Alright so I did a little digging...curious of the product. Two things really stand out

1. The product itself has a ph of 10, possibly up to 11 according to the "expert advice".
2. NB: Always take care when applying palm tree ash: it is directly incorporated into the soil (water-soluble) and can be quite aggressive. Again

So, based on that, I feel it's going to be extremely difficult to get it flushed out of the soil..though it's water soluble..so maybe not. But if youre barely seeing a drop in ph from flushing, then leads me to believe youre in for a hard hard time flushing.

How long have you been adding it? If you've been using it for a while and your plants clearly aren't showing issues, then maybe you need not worry about it this round. You could potentially do more harm than good flushing everything else out if it's really not causing problems.

Edit: I see now it was just a few days ago in the tea. And you have a hodgepodge of products lol. But in saying thay, I wouldn't be worried about flushing everything out since you're using bottled nutes too. The other option would be to add something that will lower the ph but I don't like compounding products on top of products fighting each other..tends to get toxic. Elemental sulphur will lower ph but it takes quite a while to be broken down.

Honestly im not sure what the best course of action would be aside from flushing. Hopefully youll make some headway.

 

[Sampas92]

Alright so I did a little digging...curious of the product. Two things really stand out

1. The product itself has a ph of 10, possibly up to 11 according to the "expert advice".
2. NB: Always take care when applying palm tree ash: it is directly incorporated into the soil (water-soluble) and can be quite aggressive. Again

So, based on that, I feel it's going to be extremely difficult to get it flushed out of the soil..though it's water soluble..so maybe not. But if youre barely seeing a drop in ph from flushing, then leads me to believe youre in for a hard hard time flushing.

How long have you been adding it? If you've been using it for a while and your plants clearly aren't showing issues, then maybe you need not worry about it this round. You could potentially do more harm than good flushing everything else out if it's really not causing problems.

I used it 2 times, even tho its sounds stupid, i knew the risks. I used the other products too in the mix of the medium

They are showing issues, by a long time, as they entered stretch mode they started to look crashed, droopy, purply appearence and i atributed it to light.

i wonder if they can also drift the ph medium at different stages somehow, since they all started to get to hell at start of stretching mode, i could take the bad appearence by too much light by mistake, just by the ph already being high without me knowing, even before giving the ashes.

They are starting to show defficiencies in discoloration in some parts.

But if you guys dont know how they can look like this, me even less.

I wonder about how the flush may affect them, root wise and mold wise on Gorila, but what can i do?

Rocky growed 3cm yesterday even showing nitrogen deff and darker serrations and paler middle leafs, no resin

Killer seems to be getting thicker a tiny bit everyday, also those praying leafs are like that 24/7, purple almost in all main stem, resinous since the start, never showed that crashed look, just at the main top but less light helped

Gorilla is dark green but is showing someting at middle and bottom leafs, resin was low the entire flower time

Maza showing the same in the middle leafs like gori, stoped stretching, no resin

Thanks for helping fitz



Peace

 

[Fitzera]

The flushing can cause them to droop from being over watered. And they can show deficiencies due to that as well. As long as your medium is well areated/drains well, I would say flushing is the least evil option. But they aren't going to just bounce back overnight, so don't be surprised if they look rougher before they look better. I would also suggest keeping an eye for nanners from all the stress just in case.

 

[Sampas92]

The flushing can cause them to droop from being over watered. And they can show deficiencies due to that as well. As long as your medium is well areated/drains well, I would say flushing is the least evil option. But they aren't going to just bounce back overnight, so don't be surprised if they look rougher before they look better. I would also suggest keeping an eye for nanners from all the stress just in case.

Well i have them at the lowest rh i can to make the soil release more moisture somehow.

thanks on the opinions and sugestions fitz.

Well in all honesty i dunno what should i do.

My plan was to flush until i see a good ph, give hem mycos and restart, but they only have 1 more month to live i guess, and being stressed i guess they will finish even faster, i dunno how succesfull the flush can really be and how long it will take also.

In this limited timeframe i wonder if flushing is a better aproach than feeding them in the water until the soil buffers up again.

From one side they dont like the flush but if i do a girl per day they have 30 days to recover somehow, being autos maybe less, if i dont, i dont think it will be good for them being at that ph, but looking at them developing by eating themselves now i think they can, i dunno is how they are not eating themselves faster.

Feeding them seems a waste of products but without flushing i cant do anything else, and the flush may well be a waste of water and never be able to push down, i mean 400l of water for 4 plants, and no garantee that it will go down, its also a bunch of money and waste.

Both aproaches i preview sick plants and moldy in the future, even tho the flush is a lot of work and time spented.

The biobizz nutes that i have, are low ph, algamic is 3.8, grow is 5.7, bloom 4, i wonder, if use them in a way to push down the ph in the pot. The ashes raised it, why cant these lower it? I wonder if a strong dose of them would help somehow by getting the water pretty acidic.

Also, should i water them at a lower ph to as it goes up they get access to the nutrients, for that brief moment of time instead of a ph 6.5, maybe 5.5?

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

At least the Coco experiment is going well and since there are roots geting out in the bottom to the plate of water, i made the contraption i wanted to do so now she resides in a tuperware with water and a oxigen pump.

the way i ph down the water is not the correct way. I use vinegar...yeah i know, someone already
I water the coco too, ph going in at 6 and out at 8, so i guess iv been fucking shit up by a long time, funny how somehow they went by, even the coco one looks good i think?

I already have the proper ph down in the online store cart, it will not save anything but lesson learned.


The other girls where watered normally with nutes and will be until finish, i dont expect nothing, just want to somehow take them to finish before eating themselves to death

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Amazing how they still develop just by feeding themselves, at each milimeter the Rocky grows in height i see the nitrogen deficiency progress in a matter of hours.

Same for the girls that are flowering, even tho the Killer is the one that is showing less deffs because she overall gets less light being so columnar, its the only explanation i find

Maza is not purple, is red in some parts and the middle leafs are getting whiter, lighter green at the top and she is filling, very slowly, bit by bit as she eat themselv to death, like the Killer and Gori

This with an even cannopy would be with a DLI around 30, i will not push them hard, is pointless and i think it would just make them eat themselves faster without any maturation, i guess if i push them at minimum they may mature somehow, dunno, but why waste more eletricity? Is just trowing money to the bin.

Bio bloom works in hydro, so i guess some nutrients are ready for them to eat in the water, but after the watering yesterday i didnt see any slight improvement, dunno if delayed anything also.

Peace

 

[JustGrowing420]

Bummer! Hope you manage to get them to the finish line at least... To tell the truth I would expect them to look much much worse in these conditions.
I had killed a couple of plants too with guanokalong palm tree ash, top dressed the recommended amount but instead of measuring in volume as directed, I somehow measured in weight, and ash is light...... dead in 3 days

Shouldn't this high pH lock out micronutrients? the look of the plants is just like normal hunger.

 

[Sampas92]

Bummer! Hope you manage to get them to the finish line at least... To tell the truth I would expect them to look much much worse in these conditions.
I had killed a couple of plants too with guanokalong palm tree ash, top dressed the recommended amount but instead of measuring in volume as directed, I somehow measured in weight, and ash is light...... dead in 3 days

Shouldn't this high pH lock out micronutrients? the look of the plants is just like normal hunger.

JustGrowing420 , thanks for coming by, dont ask me bro, im limited in all aspects of growing.

I know you used it Kalong nutes before, i checked ypir threads also because of it.

I went by weigth also because thats how they recomend but didnt sprinkled because i wondered how could i manage the ph when they were in the soil and not the water.

I dunno If they should be much worse but i believe it because all of you say the same.

I can only think something may be helping them in the pot, what is it i dont know, maybe its not even the entire medium fucked up and just parts, dunno, but the light is not that stronger, it helps.

This high ph i guess should lock out everything.

Rocky that still stretching lack nitrogen and zinc i think.
The flowering girls are lacking what i think calmag, p and k maybe something else, so i think that they are lock out and showing what they use in the different stages, but again, im a newb, you guys can read them way better than me. Also regularly the pics with defs etc online are with hps grows, some defs seems diferent with leds as well as the requirements to grow, if way more experienced guys are still battling with leds etc, for sure i wouldnt be different.

The last watering i gave biogrow to the Rocky one. Not because she is lacking nitrogen because i know biobizz nutes are slow to act, but the ph of it is low and when we give for example 4ml/l of it the ph is hard to raise, so i wondered if somehow it could contradict the ashes power with its own power. Today the Rocky was a little bit perkyer wish is not usual and i just used 1ml/l, its too fast for it to work nutrient wise, but i dunno if its acidic and power enough to somehow lower the ph, dunno.

Gypsum doesnt lower the ph. I wonder if distiled water would be a better choice to flush since it steals things from the medium. Since only on monday i will have the fosforic acid the only way i see to lower the ph is with a strong acidic nutrient as strong as the ashes, like biogrow to, somehow, lower it in the medium, i guess a overfert of nitrogen would be better than they eating themselves to death.

Peace

 

[JustGrowing420]

I went by weigth also because thats how they recomend but didnt sprinkled because i wondered how could i manage the ph when they were in the soil and not the water.

If you went by weight then it was certainly too much, guanokalong site recommends for palm tree ash:

• For both indoor and outdoor use.
• For outdoor cultivation: 1 litre GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash is sufficient for 5 – 10 m². Mix 1 part of 50 ml GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash with 5 litres water and feed this directly to the plant from the second week onwards. Repeat this every two weeks. At a later stage, scatter GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash over the earth as required and rake it thoroughly into the soil.
• For use in pots and/or planters: during the flowering stage, mix 1 part of 50 ml Guanokalong® Palm Tree Ash into 15 litres of potting soil or earth. At a later stage, scatter GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash over the soil as required and water thoroughly.
• NB: Always take care when applying palm tree ash: it is directly incorporated into the soil (water-soluble) and can be quite aggressive.

So because ash is light 50 grams is more than 50 ml. In fact I just weighed some and 30ml weigh around 18 grams.

 

[exploziv]

If they didnt died yet I would say to wait for proper ph down rather than pump them with nutes as ph down. Don't add to your problems. You can use it, but within regular dosage limits..

 

[Sampas92]

If you went by weight then it was certainly too much, guanokalong site recommends for palm tree ash:

• For both indoor and outdoor use.
• For outdoor cultivation: 1 litre GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash is sufficient for 5 – 10 m². Mix 1 part of 50 ml GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash with 5 litres water and feed this directly to the plant from the second week onwards. Repeat this every two weeks. At a later stage, scatter GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash over the earth as required and rake it thoroughly into the soil.
• For use in pots and/or planters: during the flowering stage, mix 1 part of 50 ml Guanokalong® Palm Tree Ash into 15 litres of potting soil or earth. At a later stage, scatter GK-Organics® Palm Tree Ash over the soil as required and water thoroughly.
• NB: Always take care when applying palm tree ash: it is directly incorporated into the soil (water-soluble) and can be quite aggressive.

So because ash is light 50 grams is more than 50 ml. In fact I just weighed some and 30ml weigh around 18 grams.

My mistake, i didnt went by weight but by ml, weight i went with the other ones in the mix of the soil.

I cant grasp how can they recomend to scater them in the pot when they are so strong.


thanks exploziv but i found odd that the Rocky being the only one that got the biogrow, was the only one also a bit perkier, monday ill get the ph down.

thanks guys

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

I water them 2 days ago and today when i checked rhe pot weight the killer for example lost 1kg, all of them lost it and thr Rocky lost 1.5kg.
In an environment of 24c and 50/55rh i know the pot is going to loose some moisture to rhe air, but how much of that weight of water lost they drank?

i know its nothing compared to what they should be drinking in a healthy state, but also i dunno how they can be drinking anything? Any opinions boys?

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

How could the Rocky have new white root growth? I saw them died in all of them and no new root growth, also she didnt have them yesterday and i dont want to be stuborn but she is the only one that got the biogrow.

2 days ago i fed them all the same, biobloom, calmag, epsoms, algamic ,atazyme, the rocky was the only one that got the grow too because of my idea of somehow it being able to buffer down the ph due to its power, like the ashes.

she was the only one perkyer today and even if she is creating new roots to support the stretch in the new growth and rest of flowering (2cm taller compared to yesterday), they need a good environment to grow new roots, shouldnt they not grow due to the ph?

Or somehow in that 1% of chance there is a direct correlation between the new roots being able to grow and the biogrow?

 

[Sampas92]

Beautifull sadness

Peace

 

[Sampas92]

Gori reaching that stage that may already have mold and i dont see

Maza is starting to put out the very first slight appearence of resin, finally, or in the better words, how??

The Killer

The Rocky doesnt show it yet but is not over with stretching so no pics.


Peace

 

[exploziv]

Maybe still having white roots is a a good sign you have chances to save them. Certainly something I would have not expected to see! Maybe you are really lucky or they have some stored reserves of nutes or something.