Flush and starve plants during flowering??

[ThaiBliss]

Not one drop of fertilizer yet in next sentence in soil rich compost and almost a 10 foot plant ???

Sorry if I was not clear about what I meant. I don't consider leaves, grass clippings, house hold scraps, hay, etc. fertilizer. It actually uses fertilizer to decompose these materials which causes a nitrogen deficit unless augmented by what I call fertilizer, manure; blood meal; fish emulsion; etc.. These fertilizers, as I call them, will burn a plant when used in excess. When humus is used in excess, as I do, then there is not enough nitrogen to make a what you call a "Jedi" plant, huge, green, and what I'm arguing, less potent, and a cloudier high. I do not consider the biggest plant a success. I prefer the strongest and cleanest high. Commercial growers might beg to differ, but then they are growing commercial grade product, and have very different motivations.

most fences are 6 feet tall due to local by laws hell pretty much law... Yet looking at your picture???? were you laying on the ground lmao cmon dude were stoners here not retards ,, here i show you a members tree must be 4 feet tall what you think ????

This thread is filled with strong emotions. What is causing this powerful drive to be right (Jedi)? There is no one right way for all motivations. I don't mean to attack anyone personally for the methods of growing that you are choosing. I'm not trying to pull one over on you. What would be my motivation for that. I'm only trying to help those that would like to enjoy a cleaner and more potent product. It may not work for the strains you are growing. In my experience, it has helped some strains dramatically. You don't have anything to lose by experimenting, only something to gain.

The fence you see is built with 4x6 inch 12 foot tall posts, that I had trouble getting 2 feet into the ground because of the decomposed granite hardpan. The plants in the first picture are downhill from the part of the fence you see. It seems you are calling me a liar. Why, when you certainly don't know about the height, and I do. I don't think you are stupid. If I did, I wouldn't bother trying to help. I think you are not as experienced as some others. At risk of being accused of being very short, I'm posting this picture of the very same plant two months earlier:

Don't be fooled again, the fence you see in the background of this picture is way downhill and 40 feet away from where I'm standing. Feel free to browse my albums. These are Neplalese plants, Bangi Haze and Nepalese Jamaican. Just give me a few more hours so I can scam you by creating a bunch pictures using Photoshop.

would you of gained more yield if plants were healthier with proper NPK through out with min yellowing probably thats a Fact most mountain jedi growers in cali would agree

Is your plants going to have less yield that you let her yellow off more or less like you mention not any food since july YES i can almost 100 percent say YES your plants are not going to yield as much

I agree, but that is not my point as explained above.

Thai would love to see full picture of your almost 10 foot tall plant here a members on here incredible 8 pound plants for sure i cant get them that size due to LAT and short season Note how nice and healthy they are ???? thats the difference between a Jedi grower and a novice

Again, this must be a total miscommunication about the purpose of the way I grow.

Best of Luck,

ThaiBliss

 

[DrFever]

Grass clippings are a good source of nutrients , with up to the equivalent per weight of 3 to 4 percent nitrogen, .5 percent phosphorus and 2.5 to 3.5 percent potassium.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Grass clippings are a good source of nutrients , with up to the equivalent per weight of 3 to 4 percent nitrogen, .5 percent phosphorus and 2.5 to 3.5 percent potassium.

I believe you are correct.

T.B.

 

[vapor]

We are not talking over dosing our plants were taking about proper ratios through out all stages of plant growth till you chop
Vap i am talking quality, as well as Yield would you not agree that a healthy plant will obviously yield you more as well as have better quality ???
Do you also know that depletion of base nutrients in your soil creates Acidic soil ?? in time the loss of nutrient bases, without sufficient replacement by release from primary minerals, eventually leads to acid soils.
Soils are complex systems, and this fact holds true when considering the plant
availability of mineral nutrient elements to much of one nutrient can lock out other nutrients ,so its finding the right balance is what its all about
just like defoliation by removing leafs not only does it affect yield it slows plant bud set , plant can not get rid of toxins , co2 uptake is diminished , the list goes on ,
Yet many people think that it increases yield ??? its beyond me who comes up with these idiotic ideas obviously they were extremely stoned smoking some other persons weed lol
and who ever posted them leafy scraggy looking buds should be ashamed i really don't know what that was suppose to do

Here are some pics of grow the purps in leafs are from lights off temps plants were in low 50's extra plants thrown into flower 1 week veg under 48 watts then another week under 2000 watts then flip with cropping into second week of flower Sunblasters HO 1 3/4 2,5 oz dry per plant
Quality and quantity ppm levels never went over 650 ppm water ppm included in it veg nutes / bloom nutes 50 / 50 strength through out , Zinc foliage spray 3 ,4 week
last pic few days before chop plants were not even 15" tall and healthy 5 gallon totes packed with roots soils and roots came out as one

There are lots of great info in these forums but one must read thr them as many are rubbish all i say is do your best keep her green as along as you can for the best results i guarantee it
Flushing is only used as a last resort when your plants have issues other then that to think a grower grows his weed for months an to think that flushing is going to get rid of nutrients is just plain stupidity only thing your doing is taking away nutrients at its most crucial part of its life all flushing does is save you little money on food costs lol other then that in reality some nutrients are not mobile meaning you can not move them out of a plant N you can Calcium you can't etc

nice plants!
I am not ragging on anyone's methods. I am just sharing what i have seen over years of growing. And i very rarely meet folks like thaibliss who have experienced this. It is a interesting subject that will never be "won" by anyone online. It is a discussion were by we need the end product to test as we sit and chat and test our works. People use the word flush but really what i am doing is timing the total amount of nutrients{balanced and composting is a crucial part of what i do and yes it is food of the most proper kind!} for the whole flowering life on the low end. I want buds to forms leaves to grow etc etc. Just not pushed the same way, usually in veg i feed normal ppm. In flower is when i do the lower side, i just find i get a much better end product. There is something going on with the plant when you hit this level correct{ i have used way to much and way to less ferts i have seen the whole range} some plants have different ranges especially till you have grown a seed plant from clone at least 3 runs. To i have done crops that yield 2 lbs a light etc, some plants feed way more then other! my haze loves to eat eat eat but she is the exception to what i see, most are not metabolic monsters like her. There is just something to it that you have to experience if you are a head or enjoy cannabis ala maximus!
This is not some thing that i have done once or twice, i have done/been dialing this method on many different plants for years and years. After i ran into a grower who opened my eyes via a different end product then anyone else i have EVER met. I am not putting anyone down or there buds. It is just a rare thing and folks who run into folks that do it and get to test the end results dialed in usually end up try to mimic...I am searching for the best end product the lessons are infinite,grow on!

 

[EclipseFour20]

Grass clippings are a good source of nutrients , with up to the equivalent per weight of 3 to 4 percent nitrogen, .5 percent phosphorus and 2.5 to 3.5 percent potassium.

And full of critters...IMHO, no bueno for inside gardens, but decomposed grass clippings make excellent mulch for outdoor gardens (as long as the grass is free of chems/synthetics)!

 

[Raziel819]

Damn sometimes its hard finding useful info because everyone is busy playing....

Who’s the Boss?

When the Lord made man, all the parts of the body argued over who would be boss.

The brain explained that since he controlled all the parts of the body, he should be boss. The legs argued that since they took man wherever he wanted to go, they should be boss. The stomach countered with the explanation that since he digested all the food, he should be boss. The eyes said that without them man would be helpless, so they should be boss. Then the asshole applied for the job. The other parts of the body laughed so hard at this that the asshole became mad and closed up.

After a few days…

The brain went foggy, the legs got wobbly, the stomach got ill, and the eyes got crossed and unable to see. They all conceded and made the asshole boss.

This proved that you don’t have to be a brain to be boss…

Just an Asshole.

Stay Frosty My Friends
Raziel819

 

[ScrifflyPimp]

Can you cite any other plants that might grow in your garden that perform best (read: produce their best 'quality') when their nutritional needs are neglected? I can't.

Celery grown largest with max nute need, bitter from nute. Not 'quality'

What other garden plant you taste smoke?

Some in thread know best here.

 

[Ras Mason]

hey bro's heh!
How long do you think this thread is going to continue like this.

This paragraph sums it all.
Pleeaaaase someone stop the perpetual dualistic masturbation.
¨nice plants!
I am not ragging on anyone's methods. I am just sharing what i have seen over years of growing. And i very rarely meet folks like thaibliss who have experienced this. It is a interesting subject that will never be "won" by anyone online. It is a discussion were by we need the end product to test as we sit and chat and test our works. People use the word flush but really what i am doing is timing the total amount of nutrients{balanced and composting is a crucial part of what i do and yes it is food of the most proper kind!} for the whole flowering life on the low end. I want buds to forms leaves to grow etc etc. Just not pushed the same way, usually in veg i feed normal ppm. In flower is when i do the lower side, i just find i get a much better end product. There is something going on with the plant when you hit this level correct{ i have used way to much and way to less ferts i have seen the whole range} some plants have different ranges especially till you have grown a seed plant from clone at least 3 runs. To i have done crops that yield 2 lbs a light etc, some plants feed way more then other! my haze loves to eat eat eat but she is the exception to what i see, most are not metabolic monsters like her. There is just something to it that you have to experience if you are a head or enjoy cannabis ala maximus!
This is not some thing that i have done once or twice, i have done/been dialing this method on many different plants for years and years. After i ran into a grower who opened my eyes via a different end product then anyone else i have EVER met. I am not putting anyone down or there buds. It is just a rare thing and folks who run into folks that do it and get to test the end results dialed in usually end up try to mimic...I am searching for the best end product the lessons are infinite,grow on!¨

If yu cannot sense the wisdom this man is freely giving the community, there is a good chance youre just not ready yet for it. «might be better for you to continue cooking and start developping a distaste for your Pornographic self-re-assuring plants. Just saying, in general.
Peace
Onwards and Upwards
jf

 

[Homebrewer]

Celery grown largest with max nute need, bitter from nute. Not 'quality'

What other garden plant you taste smoke?

Some in thread know best here.

Maybe this will help you better understand celery:

How to Keep Celery from Tasting Bitter

In order to determine what makes celery bitter, you may have to assess your growing conditions. Celery needs extraordinarily rich, moisture retentive soil that is slightly wet but drains well. Celery also likes a soil pH between 5.8 and 6.8. If you are unsure of your soil acidity, you can take a soil sample and amend as needed.

Heat is no friend to celery, which prefers cool temperatures between 60 degrees F. and 70 degrees F. Keep celery plants well watered during the growing season. Without adequate water, stalks will become stringy.
Provide at least one mid-season application of compost, as celery is a heavy feeder. With proper growing conditions, it is easy to avoid that bitter-tasting, pungent celery.

http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/celery/bitter-tasting-celery-stalks.htm

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

The plant I'm growing now may be a good opportunity for smoke tests because I believe I have taken flushing and starving a step too far. I did not mean to do this, but I always flush and feed very lightly. The reason it went too far is because this plant has been growing for 24 weeks, so far, and was grown with a very light feeding plant that was ripe at 17 weeks. To sum up, I wanted to fade out a plant that was very dark green on very little feed that was using the same compost tea tank as the plant that was no where near ripe at that time. I wound up blanching the longer flowering plant badly. Some parts of the plant have recovered and are pale green, like I usually like it, but the strongly blanched parts of the bud never recovered. The extremely blanched calyxes do have less resin. What resin there is does not stand out as much as it does with a green background. In my experience, less resin does not always mean less potency. I've had extremely resinous plants that were not as strong as some moderately resinous plants.

So, what I can do is to smoke some of the blanched calyxes in one test, and smoke the greener ones in another test. This will not prove anything to me, since this is a plant I have never smoked, and like I said, I would not have normally decreased fertilizer and flushed to this extent at the stage of flowering that I have. It will be a piece of the puzzle in my total lifetime experience.

When the plant is harvested, I can take pictures of the resins through my electronic scope. But for now, here are a couple of pictures of what I'm talking about:

B.T.W., you all can do what you want, and you certainly will. I don't want to boss anyone. I'm just sharing what I do. I'm the boss of me. What I know is true, is that it is wise to keep an open mind. Never stop experimenting and learning.



ThaiBliss

 

[Homebrewer]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To sum up, I wanted to fade out a plant that was very dark green on very little feed that was using the same compost tea tank as the plant that was no where near ripe at that time.[/FONT]

Question for you, how are you determining the 'ripeness' of your plants? Are you looking at the overall health of the plant or the actual flowers themselves?

 

[ThaiBliss]

... I don't want to boss anyone... Never stop experimenting and learning.

This ^^^ is frigging hilarious! Shit... I am bossy. I swear I do not mean that as a command to any of you. In my heart I mean that as a mantra to myself, that leaks out as good hearted advice, in my mind.


My apologies. I'm the asshole!

ThaiBliss

 

[ScrifflyPimp]

Maybe this will help you better understand celery:

http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/celery/bitter-tasting-celery-stalks.htm

Not 'celery' bitter. Nute bitter.

Big difference

 

[Homebrewer]

Not 'celery' bitter. Nute bitter.

Big difference

I think you're misattributing where bitterness comes from in certain crops.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Question for you, how are you determining the 'ripeness' of your plants? Are you looking at the overall health of the plant or the actual flowers themselves?

This is a really hard question, and knowing when to harvest is probably the most difficult part of growing. I have a rule of thumb that is not very reliable, so before I mention it, I have to stress that the only way to know for sure is to harvest at different levels of ripeness and smoke test for each harvest window. I believe every strain, no... every plant, is different in this regard.

I have grown plants where two weeks, waiting for every pistil to die, can make the difference between below average weed, and spectacular weed. On another strain, those same two weeks can turn very good weed, into blah weed. These differences are based on the kind of weed that I prefer. What I consider blah is just what some others are looking for. That spectacular weed could be way too energetic for others.

Here is my generalized rule of thumb that I will probably change after every plant I grow (ha!). The more Indica that a plant has in it, the closer to where there are 10% white pistils left is a good indicator of what should be the middle time period of my tests are done. For example, I grab a sample about a week before I think there will be 10% white pistils left, a sample at about 10% white, then another sample about a week after deciding that 10% was white. The more pure tropical Sativa that the plant is, the closer to all pistils being dead is the middle ground for the variety of test should be located around.

I try to pay attention to my plants in a lot of ways. Overall "health" is a good one. Some might use the term senescence, but... let's put that aside for now. I just posted a report on my 24 week long ripening plant where I see that the end is getting near due to the branches becoming more flexible, and even a bit of drooping going on in each fox-tail of calyxes in the buds. There are also some crowning going on at the ends of those fox-tails.

I've been scoping resins for a while now, and I've finally come to the conclusion that it is very easy to go wrong with rules of thumb on this. The plant I am growing now has had cloudy resins for a very long time. They started getting clear at about 18 weeks old. When have you ever heard that? To be fair, I've seen clear resins go cloudy, then as another big flush of white pistils come on, they swell up with what seems like fresh clear resin, but I can still see a nucleus of cloudy. I had no idea all the crap that is going on in those glands until I got a decent scope. I've seen all kinds of colors also, from clear to piss yellow, bright cloudy yellow, clear copper, amber, brown, and purple. It's pretty wild.

Anyway, that is my short answer. Hello? Hey! Wake up!


ThaiBliss

 

[vapor]

opps double post

 

[vapor]

Pudding anyone?
Here is a message i received{i asked permission to post it, if i leave the senders name out}
"Hello vapor

I just wanted to let you know that yourself and ThaiBliss are the posters whom convinced me to try the low nutrient method (should be called proper nutrient method). I will NEVER EVER be going back to cutting down something green. Please keep spreading the good word"


...I am sure more will see the same, if they give it go.........

 

[ScrifflyPimp]

I think you're misattributing where bitterness comes from in certain crops.

I laugh.

Keep talk. Make compete less hard.

 

[sourpuss]

For the newbs trying to follow along and learn... lol....

I use "chems" I experiment alot for the sake of quality.....

Low feed is good advice.... too low is not great..... its that fine line.... keep your nutes available and at proper ratios throughout flower.... at that fine line.... only takes a little practice... lol.... I use ro water for the last week.... lower feed seond last week.... with all the combos ive thrown at my plants this is what im finding the best results with..... clean taste and ash.

 

[disciple]