whatsthatsmell
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Nice setup, i have just started to experiment with the ebb & flow myself, have been growing in a DIY DWC, so far, i have to say i like the ebb & flow better, heck of a lot easier to control one res than 5...lol
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First ever grow - Hydro ebb'n'flo
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vigilo said:
There's a bust waiting to happen
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Mail them to Bush.
hey guys! thanks for posting. i've grown to love the ebb and flow. comparing it to soil, im glad i started with hydro. to me it seems so much easier (but that could just be the easy to learn/maintain ebb flow setup). I have been looking into dwc just because of the fast growth, and all these huge rootballs/stems i see on threads. how do your systems compare, whatsthatsmell?
p.s. ill gladly keep these colas to myself =)
p.s. ill gladly keep these colas to myself =)
UPDATE!!!!
in recent news, my mites seem to be gone. what ever the hydro owner gave me worked..except it bleached a few leaves.. reason to believe mites are gone: i trimmed my plants (the parts that arent getting light) and i couldn't spot any. I haven't ever got the No pest strip. Here are some pics! bare with me
(i also tried smoking some undeveloped bud....nasty!!!)
Trimming:
Day 23 of flower (12/12)
in recent news, my mites seem to be gone. what ever the hydro owner gave me worked..except it bleached a few leaves.. reason to believe mites are gone: i trimmed my plants (the parts that arent getting light) and i couldn't spot any. I haven't ever got the No pest strip. Here are some pics! bare with me
(i also tried smoking some undeveloped bud....nasty!!!)
Trimming:
Day 23 of flower (12/12)
Δ9-THC
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How's it goin man. In my opinion, your plants look really healthy. I grew GDP last round (maybe same clones), and it is the best smoke I've seen yet. Heavy yield too. Anyway...
I think your nutrient formula is good, and all of your temps, params etc. sound spot on. Your RH is not a problem either, just try to get plenty of air flow through canopy during flower. Just keep watching the pH on a regular basis.
I think your nutrient formula is good, and all of your temps, params etc. sound spot on. Your RH is not a problem either, just try to get plenty of air flow through canopy during flower. Just keep watching the pH on a regular basis.
hey thc, first off sweet name, second thanks for visiting!!
the gdp is truly amazing. im at day 30 in flower and the trich shots are already amazing. ill post some here today when the lights come back on. Thanks for the reassurance, i have been worried that my rH is too high. ive been looking into damprid because the rh hits 70 at night because it gets COLD!!! 55 degrees! o well, the plants can take it, i just hope they arent being stunted. it will be all good when my manager fixes our heat! jesus!!! o well thanks again. also where did u get ur clones? and cant u post some final nug pics =) <3
the gdp is truly amazing. im at day 30 in flower and the trich shots are already amazing. ill post some here today when the lights come back on. Thanks for the reassurance, i have been worried that my rH is too high. ive been looking into damprid because the rh hits 70 at night because it gets COLD!!! 55 degrees! o well, the plants can take it, i just hope they arent being stunted. it will be all good when my manager fixes our heat! jesus!!! o well thanks again. also where did u get ur clones? and cant u post some final nug pics =) <3
Δ9-THC
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Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures of the end of my GDP grow (paranoia). I wouldn't bother with damprid, unless you have an extremely small, sealed grow space. Your best bet is to just let the grow space get warm during the day so you can exhaust the hot, humid air.
The 55ºF temps may work in your favor. The strain tents to turn a bit more purple with cooler temps near the end.
The 55ºF temps may work in your favor. The strain tents to turn a bit more purple with cooler temps near the end.
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I got a question. I am on my fourth week of flower and my ppm's range from 1450- 1560, ph is 5.5-5.9, rh 38-47, room temps mid to low 70's lights on and high to low 60's lights off with rh around 55-60and water temps from 72-78. I sthis alright? This is my first Ebb so I was curious. I also wanted to know an optimal time too add Monster Grw and for how long into my project.
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haha thanks nam, the only problem is that its a dead giveaway.. =)
buggahB, your ppms sound perfect, mine are at 1400-1500 at 30 days flower. ph is good, temps are good. my temps range from 68 max to 55min. its starting to get colder too, **** no heating either. my plants look good, tho they are having issues like yellowing on one set of top leaves...so weird. res temps so a little low, but i bet mine are lower. my rH is 70 lights off, but i have 2 fans blowing at the canopy, and i have a 172 cfm inline running, so im not worried about mold...well okay slightly, but you dont need to.
this is also my first grow ebb and flow, its seems like use college kids take advantage of fall =) keep me updates, what strain are you growing?
Monster grow - that sounds like a veg product? if its a bloom enhancer, i would have been adding it already till about week 6. if it a ripener, use it after ur 6th week.
i would love to see some pics! goodluck fellow noob :blunt:
buggahB, your ppms sound perfect, mine are at 1400-1500 at 30 days flower. ph is good, temps are good. my temps range from 68 max to 55min. its starting to get colder too, **** no heating either. my plants look good, tho they are having issues like yellowing on one set of top leaves...so weird. res temps so a little low, but i bet mine are lower. my rH is 70 lights off, but i have 2 fans blowing at the canopy, and i have a 172 cfm inline running, so im not worried about mold...well okay slightly, but you dont need to.
this is also my first grow ebb and flow, its seems like use college kids take advantage of fall =) keep me updates, what strain are you growing?
Monster grow - that sounds like a veg product? if its a bloom enhancer, i would have been adding it already till about week 6. if it a ripener, use it after ur 6th week.
i would love to see some pics! goodluck fellow noob :blunt:
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BuddahBoyee
I am currently running two strains. The one I am showing is Black Bubba Kush. Monster bloom is an enhancer which helps bloom. I am currently on the 25th day. my ph was 5.7 today with water temps at 68 degrees. I took out 15 gallons from my 25 total gallons and replaced it with 15 gallons of tap water. I gave them Bigfoot 2 part along with monster bloom and sweet. My ppm's are currently @ 1730. I have not noticed change in the BB but my other strain which is undetermined is yellowing and producing smaller flowers. I am problably gonna be done with that strain next pull because I already have 5 of those vegged. The Black Bubba is a keeper though.
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Vigilo - stick to ebb and flow. it's so forgiving compared to DWC. I'm switching it all over to ebb and flow for the same reason. Also, it's much easier with organics too as your plants have the stones to establish plenty of bacteria.
I got 4 plant spaces. 1 DWC - dead! 2 DWC - nearly dead. 3 Ebb and flow - BOOM - 4 ebb and flw - stunted plant taking off.
In DWC you got very little buffer for mistakes. Go ebb and flow you got to be happy with your first results so far!
I got 4 plant spaces. 1 DWC - dead! 2 DWC - nearly dead. 3 Ebb and flow - BOOM - 4 ebb and flw - stunted plant taking off.
In DWC you got very little buffer for mistakes. Go ebb and flow you got to be happy with your first results so far!
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oh yes another thing
A large root mass, contrary to popular opinion, does not mean more growth. More is obviously better than less, but it is not a defining sign that the plant is optimal at all.
eg: Michorizal and saprophytic fungi will greatly enhance a grow and in their presense a plants root mass will be considerably smaller with greater yield.
Having a medium for these to live in, after recent research and experience, now makes more sense to me than not having one.
A large root mass, contrary to popular opinion, does not mean more growth. More is obviously better than less, but it is not a defining sign that the plant is optimal at all.
eg: Michorizal and saprophytic fungi will greatly enhance a grow and in their presense a plants root mass will be considerably smaller with greater yield.
Having a medium for these to live in, after recent research and experience, now makes more sense to me than not having one.
Δ9-THC
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Hmm.... I duno if I concur with the michorizae aiding pot plants... but maybe. Where would it come from? In nature, plants which are aided by such fungi only survive where the fungal spores are present. Nitrobacters, nitrosomonas, etc. yes 100% postive those are in your water and medium
I also love DWC, there's no way tables can grow trees like DWC (legal issue for me), and the DWC growth is unbeatable. Regardless, find what works for you. Got any flower pics?
I also love DWC, there's no way tables can grow trees like DWC (legal issue for me), and the DWC growth is unbeatable. Regardless, find what works for you. Got any flower pics?
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m & s fungal spores are everywhere. I innoculate grows from nettle roots I dig up, others get it from a bottle. in hydro they'll live in the medium.
DWC is fast because it's continuous flow, but it's very unstable unless you've got a head for your strain and its specific temperament...
Ebb and flow's "cycle" can be sped up a lot utilising auto siphons so your bed is flooding every 10 minutes or so, this is, imo, close to the best of both worlds. Stable medium base, and continuous nute supply.
DWC is fast because it's continuous flow, but it's very unstable unless you've got a head for your strain and its specific temperament...
Ebb and flow's "cycle" can be sped up a lot utilising auto siphons so your bed is flooding every 10 minutes or so, this is, imo, close to the best of both worlds. Stable medium base, and continuous nute supply.
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I'm sorry Vigilo but our systems, though both ebb & flow, are seriously different. In an organic setup I'd do that, with chem I have no idea really.
So my above comment should be retracted and instead read
In organic Ebb and flow the "cycle" can be sped up a lot utilising auto siphons so your bed is flooding every 10 minutes or so, this is, imo, close to the best of both worlds. Stable medium base, and continuous nute supply...
Why I say this takes a bit of explainin...
But....
In organics a bio-film develops and organic matter is 'processed' by the inhabitats of this. The bio-film and particles are 'attracted' to one another, but must first get close.
In organic systems, within limit, flow...
increases adsorption opportunity for organic matter
promotes the opportunistic ways in which many micro-flora and fauna inhabit ones grow
increases oxygen supply (cos all those wee critters and plants use it too)
denies purchase to much algae
decreases potential anaerobic zones
increases respiration rate of bed (oxygen in with drain, CO2 out with fill) this gives a small percentage CO2 gain for your grow as it readily dissipates but is 'exhaled' more often.
It's about creating a home/environment for the correct microflora and fauna that will assist in growing your plants as opposed to feeding the plants directly with nutrients that may kill most of those micro-flora/fauna.
I don't want to start an arguement - organics vs chem is done to death. It does interest me that in biblical times warmongers sowed salt in their enemies fields. Today we keep adding different salts to try and make things grow.
So my above comment should be retracted and instead read
In organic Ebb and flow the "cycle" can be sped up a lot utilising auto siphons so your bed is flooding every 10 minutes or so, this is, imo, close to the best of both worlds. Stable medium base, and continuous nute supply...
Why I say this takes a bit of explainin...
But....
In organics a bio-film develops and organic matter is 'processed' by the inhabitats of this. The bio-film and particles are 'attracted' to one another, but must first get close.
In organic systems, within limit, flow...
increases adsorption opportunity for organic matter
promotes the opportunistic ways in which many micro-flora and fauna inhabit ones grow
increases oxygen supply (cos all those wee critters and plants use it too)
denies purchase to much algae
decreases potential anaerobic zones
increases respiration rate of bed (oxygen in with drain, CO2 out with fill) this gives a small percentage CO2 gain for your grow as it readily dissipates but is 'exhaled' more often.
It's about creating a home/environment for the correct microflora and fauna that will assist in growing your plants as opposed to feeding the plants directly with nutrients that may kill most of those micro-flora/fauna.
I don't want to start an arguement - organics vs chem is done to death. It does interest me that in biblical times warmongers sowed salt in their enemies fields. Today we keep adding different salts to try and make things grow.
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BuddahBoyee
Thanks! I am lookin forward to them finishing. BTW I dropped my ppm's back down to 1450-1500 the next day for fear of something bad happening. I don't know what I was thinking. Peace out. I have been having higher RH though. 65- 75 percent. I was told by someone yesterday that if I wanted to increase my yield in weight to finish of with cooler temps. What do you think about that? They said below 65 degreees.vigilo said:
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