Feds Shutting Down Harborside....

[greenluv707]

just my 2 cents.........

if your makin the money(and we all know you are,even the gov.)you should do the simplest thing...........pay your f-ing taxes......theres no reason not to,and what kind of rep are you settin for the med community when you tell the city and gov "fuck you, im not payin this extra tax"............plain and simple theres just no excuse.......your running a biz and please treat it like that..........

i hope other clubs will use this as an example, be paid up with the city,have your biz records handy,and dont pick fights with the gov.

oh and if your gonna show the interworking of your biz on tv for everybody to see ,it better be running like a well oiled machine.........not like a bucket two stop lights away from breaking down...........

 

[festivus]

Sadly, the HS patients will suffer because of this. We need precident setting case law to protect patient rights, but we're not using case law already on the books.

Didn't California's 7th Circuit of Appeals rule in 2010 that if a patient has one of the qualifying medical conditions, and that condition is a chronic (life long) condition, a patient need only get the initial physician's recommendation to qualify for the mmj program?

As I recall, the Court went so far as to call CA's requirement for annual "re-certification" nothing more than a revenue generating mechanism for the State.

While this has little to do with HS's situation, it does provide a precident for med users in all the legal states.

 

[supermanlives]

my doc say i dont need a new rec every year as long as i keep same doc. but i get one anyhow to be currant. no charge

 

[cchem]

Unfortunately most strong individuals have no interest in serving on juries in ameriKa's fake ass kangaroo courts.

I didn't know America had Kangaroos. Let's call America for what it is... largest prison industrial complex in the world and leave Australia out of it. Few facts - America bankrupt. Australia rich as hell. America - no healthcare. Australia - great free healthcare. America - education for the rich. Australia - education for all. America ----- informants taken seriously in court. Australia - informants evidence worthless in courts (generally their evidence is discarded and rejected before they can ever take the chair). So what we're really talking about is Eagle courts. Xenophobia aside.

 

[GP73LPC]

Jury nullification only takes ONE strong individual!

bingo

 

[SeaMaiden]

Unfortunately most strong individuals have no interest in serving on juries in ameriKa's fake ass kangaroo courts.

I've been able to get myself selected ONCE. The case wasn't fake and the court wasn't kangaroo. The sad fact is that most jurors are woefully ignorant of how our system works and what avenues may be available to someone who says, "This is a BAD law!"

This is a bad law, and if *I* ever have the opportunity to use my force of reasoning on another group of jurors as I did in the previous case to educate them about the legal concept of nullification to declare a law itself bad and put under legal review, you can bet your donuts I will.

 

[greenmatter]

Unfortunately most strong individuals have no interest in serving on juries in ameriKa's fake ass kangaroo courts.

true that!!!! but if you are strong enough to answer the question that the lawyers and the judge ask you honestly you will not make it through jury selection anyway .......... been there, done that .....twice

they should just make it simple and put this question on the sign in paperwork.

"are you capable of thinking for yourself" .......... if you answer yes you are free to go

right and wrong, and law are not even the same animal anymore

 

[organiclover]

dank.frank
the only problem i see with your theory (which i really like) is that the feds are targeting the landlord and not harborside directly
is harborside gonna pay and fight for the landlords behalf?
at what point does the landlord just say "i have made good rent off this bizz but hey guys its time to go"
if harborsdie owned the building it would be another story IMO

 

[FreedomFightr]

I feel there are alot of haters in here. Who the fuck cares if he made millions. Thats none of our buisness. At least he has the balls to stand up for what he believes in. And he is willing to be a mortyr for the cause.
We should put all our difference's to the side and stand behind Harborside. Like others say this could be the silver lining. What will the feds think if no one protests and does not stand behind harborside?

I think alot of people on here are delusional and are lying to themselves crying that Harborside is evil cause they make money. Lets keep it real.... 90% of growers are in it for the money and the herb and last to help sick people. Keep it real. Yeah, you run a 6 lighter to break even at the end of 2 months> yeah right!

 

[Hydrosun]

I've been able to get myself selected ONCE. The case wasn't fake and the court wasn't kangaroo. The sad fact is that most jurors are woefully ignorant of how our system works and what avenues may be available to someone who says, "This is a BAD law!"

This is a bad law, and if *I* ever have the opportunity to use my force of reasoning on another group of jurors as I did in the previous case to educate them about the legal concept of nullification to declare a law itself bad and put under legal review, you can bet your donuts I will.

My hat is off to you and the strong minded few who act as you do. You said "managed to get selected once." How many days of your life and previous failures were involved? My faith in the system is non existent and I don't think I could fake my way into getting selected.

 

[krunchbubble]

Who the fuck cares if he made millions. Thats none of our buisness. At least he has the balls to stand up for what he believes in.

See, that's the thing, You don't go into this kind of business, get as big as he did, and risk decades or life in federal prison, because of what you believe in. It just does not happen that way. Your in it for money....

You get that big, to make as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, and get the fuck out. He just got a bit to greedy and didn't "get the fuck out" in time....

 

[silver hawaiian]

You side stepped the point and denigrated myself and other free thinking cannabis cultivators.

We are the fucking illegal aliens in this analogy. The out cry is from this ILLEGAL crowd of fucking pot heads.

There is fucking out cry because their version of the LEGAL / ILLEGAL is in point of fact IMMORAL.

I would ask you to reconsider if your passive acceptance of them enforcing an immoral law is "educated or aware." Lying down like a sheep when our fellow man is thrown into a little green "la migra" van, or a blacked out DEA pig wagon seems anything but "Educated or Aware" to me.

I wish instead our response would be to rise up and straighten our spines. I care not if they kill me, but I want to die knowing the world never SAW them break me. Sure they can black bag and torturer us until we will say or do anything, but to say or do as they want because they say it is the LAW; is the least moral act a sheep can perform.

Hydro

I wasn't trying to make any sort of William Wallace stand, nor was I "laying down" or being "passive."

To be honest, I hadn't even gotten that far in any sort of reaction. I wasn't attempting to make a point in terms of whether the enforcement of the law was Right or Wrong.

My point was, and still is, this shouldn't be a surprise.

As I've tried to explain several times in this thread, "not being surprised" is a function of understanding the situation - in this case, HS was afoul of Federal law.

"Not being surprised" is not, however, "rolling over" or "laying down" or "being a sheep."

To be quite frank, the instant, knee-jerk FUCK THESE PIGS AND USURPERS OF OUR SUPREME RIGHT AS HUMAN BEINGS OF MOTHER EARTH CANNABIS OR DIE mentality seems a bit militant to me.

All I was offering was some consideration that, y'know, given the current laws (and climate), maybe there is in fact a legal (albeit immoral) basis upon which to execute a raid..

And, yes, you're right, in my example, we're all the illegal aliens. And if the law came and asked us for our papers, I'd be mega bummed, but a certain, rational part of my brain, that understands the framework of the world in which we live, good and bad, GETS the fact that, "Shit, they finally came for me." Doesn't make me feel better about it, but I can't say it's a shock.

And yes, there is a William Wallace part of my brain that says FUCK THIS I AM A CITIZEN OF EARTH AND I DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' PAPERS THAT SAYS I CAN LIVE HERE. But that wouldn't change the fact that there's a legal basis, Right or Wrong, upon which they'll place me in handcuffs and then the clink.

Understanding the world around us =/= tacit acceptance of the world around us. But it's still understanding, and that's pretty durned important.

 

[growshopfrank]

See, that's the thing, You don't go into this kind of business, get as big as he did, and risk decades or life in federal prison, because of what you believe in. It just does not happen that way. Your in it for money....

You get that big, to make as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, and get the fuck out. He just got a bit to greedy and didn't "get the fuck out" in time....

all true but most folks have been programed not to walk away from a sure thing when it comes to money.How many of us have thought 'if i make it out of this alive im gonna get that boat or harley" and if it works out we continue to make risky decisions even when comfortably well off financially
there needs to be a 12 step program for greed

 

[huligun]

Law is like a contract. Every word is in it for an absolute reason. Marijuana is on the schedule as a drug that had no medical value and the potential of abuse. The feds can take anyone to court that they please for violating that contract regardless of what state they live in. The courts are full so they are selective on who they indict, but if they pull in some high profile cases they get all their money and all the rest of us see it and back down in fear. Steve clearly violated that contract. Whether it is a good contract or not don't matter. All the judges see is if you are in violation or not. The courtroom is not the place to argue that and no argument about that will even be allowed or admitted. They are just looking at whether you broke the law as it was written. Once you get into federal court cannot even mention state law. Which most agree is fuzzy anyway. I love California and appreciate HS but if they go to federal court they are sitting ducks and will be fucked. Nothing that any or all of us can do for him. Only thing they can do is change mj on the drug schedule and I don't see any movement in that direction

 

[notorious646]

Honestly, the general public would not be tripping as hard if they seen normal people not a foo dressed stupid with 2braids and rocking funky hats and a brother who is so spaced out and blown they think this is how all the marijuana community looks and acts. At least that weed wars in Colorado. Those brothers all look like normal people. That's the image that needs to be out there. Not the wanna be hippies

 

[krunchbubble]

Honestly, the general public would not be tripping as hard if they seen normal people not a foo dressed stupid with 2braids and rocking funky hats and a brother who is so spaced out and blown they think this is how all the marijuana community looks and acts. At least that weed wars in Colorado. Those brothers all look like normal people. That's the image that needs to be out there. Not the wanna be hippies

Dick Lee looked pretty normal to me....

With the exception that he can run over my foot and you cant....

 

[HempKat]

Law is like a contract. Every word is in it for an absolute reason. Marijuana is on the schedule as a drug that had no medical value and the potential of abuse. The feds can take anyone to court that they please for violating that contract regardless of what state they live in. The courts are full so they are selective on who they indict, but if they pull in some high profile cases they get all their money and all the rest of us see it and back down in fear. Steve clearly violated that contract. Whether it is a good contract or not don't matter. All the judges see is if you are in violation or not. The courtroom is not the place to argue that and no argument about that will even be allowed or admitted. They are just looking at whether you broke the law as it was written. Once you get into federal court cannot even mention state law. Which most agree is fuzzy anyway. I love California and appreciate HS but if they go to federal court they are sitting ducks and will be fucked. Nothing that any or all of us can do for him. Only thing they can do is change mj on the drug schedule and I don't see any movement in that direction

If that's the approach the Feds want to take, that Marijuana has no medicinal value I hope Harborside tryies to counter that with the federal government's Compassionate IND program. That's the program that has a handful of people recieving legal prescriptions of marijuana (in the Feds eyes) and have been since as far back as 1982 (further if you count patients that are now deceased).

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000257

Now the apparent loophole is that this is an investigational program but if the Feds are certain enough that it has no medicinal value to schedule it the way they have, then the program shouldn't be running anymore. If after over 40 years since it began they haven't proven it does have medical value then they're not likely to find anything different and there is no reason why the program should continue accept for compassion for the few souls benefiting from it. There are however millions with similar or worse conditions so what about the compassion for them from the Feds?

I mean it seems pretty clear to me with such a program running for so long the Federal stance is clearly hypocritical and boils down to a case of "Do as I say and not as I do."

 

[silver hawaiian]

I think now is a worthwhile time to point out a couple (more) facts:

1. There are more positions than two on the continuum of ideology when it comes to cannabis.

2. If not more on either end, there exists a place (many places) between

"While not agreeing with the current legal/political situation, I fully recognize it."

and

ZOMG DIE PIGS DIE CANNABIS 4 EVA EITHER SUCK GOVERNMENT DICK OR DIE FIGHTING IT OR ELSE YOU ARE A SHITSTAIN ON THE DRAWS OF HUMANITY 4204LIFE

Edit: neg rep to the bottom left - don't want to make it as difficult as thinking critically

 

[stasis]

They are going to fight it. Awesome.

 

[maxima32]

Well atleast they looked like they were a model dispensary. I know Med States with budding dispensaries were probably closely watching harborside and had plans to imitate the structure, Minus the braids! !!! Oh well