Feds Shutting Down Harborside....

[seedless420]

prop 215 was intended for those who need it, while Harborside is a very valuable place for those who cannot grow their own it was an example more of a legal business rather than a medical endeavor similar but not the same as big Pharma. who makes millions and pays millions in taxes, but why cant harborside re-open in many cities with equal resources as before, they may even service more people due to a larger network of collectives. just a thought, i haven't heard of any delivery services being closed so maybe thats the way their headed.

 

[dank.frank]

Well come on, you're absolutely right, nobody should be locked up over smoking a weed but certainly you can understand how people that maybe can't grow and therefore are dependent on places like this are a bit upset at the prices charged especially knowing how growers were getting shafted by the dispensaries too. I mean people only in it to make huge profit off of other peoples efforts and illnesses are as much the enemy to our cause as the government is.

I'd rather it be Steve - than Winston, Marlboro, Camel, Du Pont, Bayer, Pzier - etc...

I'd even agree - if those making said point (aside from yourself) had not implied [now we can go back to making money ourselves because Harborside isn't around]

The redistribution of wealth is socialism. It is THANKFULLY a free market enterprise.

Cost of a building, property taxes, employees, etc. IE overhead - all those things factor into what must be charged and passed on to the customer...

I also agree that there is a line at which compassion is lost to profiteering...

Question for me really comes down to this:

Who is doing MORE harm?

Steve?

Those shipping outta state?

Drug cartels?

Rich white men hiring illegals to mask as cartels???

Doctors handing out med cards to folks that don't "need" them? (personally, I think it is medicine to ALL)

I mean really - can you REALLY get mad at Steve for putting his ass on TV - KNOWING it would bring the hammer of the FEDS down upon him...

PERSONALLY - SOMEONE - had to make millions doing this - in order to take on the government.

That is the unfortunate reality.

Now everyone that has spent money at Harborside - can pat themselves on the back for helping fund this campaign against the unlawful acts the federal government has committed against the states...



dank.Frank

 

[huligun]

It's not hypocritical nor against the cause to call someone a fool that is doing something foolish. If a fellow toker planted trees on his front yard and posted on Craigslist and YouTube you would have to agree that was foolish and dank frank may even be one of those calling fool.

Steve may think he is a crusader albeit a wealthy one, but he is in no way big enough to tackle the fed on the sanctity of state rights even with the shadow backing of his county and city. This is too big of a fish and the fed will win. He may spend every cent his corporation and personal funds can muster but is going to lose. It would be the same as if he wanted to legalize slavery in his state. The fed is currently trying to consolidate all state and municipal powers under a massive central government under the fed. That is their platform for Christ sake.

 

[dank.frank]

All the more reason we should all be rallying behind him - rather than hanging him out to dry.

Who was it in this very thread that said it - united we stand, divided we fall.



dank.Frank

 

[silver hawaiian]

I'd rather it be Steve - than Winston, Marlboro, Camel, Du Pont, Bayer, Pzier - etc...

I'd even agree - if those making said point (aside from yourself) had not implied [now we can go back to making money ourselves because Harborside isn't around]

The redistribution of wealth is socialism. It is THANKFULLY a free market enterprise.

Frank, you're s'damned fulla sense all the time, and now I've got a boner for your political inclinations..

 

[opt1c]

the only way i see it is all this shit is just so the republicans can't use marijuana as a tool in the campaign; barack looks the other way while the feds go hard before the election and then, i fucking hope, does a little executive order ala the dream act to take cannabis off the schedule 1 once he gets re-elected... but that is me being super hopeful and optimistic... the only thing i do know about politicians is that they can't be trusted at all ever

 

[paintballdude73]

So...... our countries big business's can knowingly lend us money(via credit cards) to spend on our pot? LEGALLY??? They have been making a LOT of extra bucks by "lending" me money to go buy my "state legal, federally illegal pot". So have they knowingly been breaking federal law for many years already...?

The Visa/Mastercard and other credit companies essentially acted as a "accessory" to the purchases of millions of dollars of this "state legal, federally illegal pot".

If they got federally prosecuted...then a few more people upstairs might realize how this dumb federal law has affected thousands of businesses both BIIIIIIG and small.

If Visa or Mastercard were to get screwed in some giant way... then i honestly think the federal laws would change. Because our government is controlled by business, especially big business.

 

[stasis]

Hey, If Steve had this in mind all the while.... Knowing that at some point he;d have to go up against the Fed... Well, then good on 'im...! I wish him all the best regardless...! These people ARE Crusaders. So are Medical Growers....

I have never been to Harborside, kept meaning to stop by when I am in the Bay, but hasn;t happened yet. I still thank Him and people like Him for what they do.

We are all on the same side.

If he makes Bank, well Cool then. Until he offers me 24 for a premium p. Then I'd moan a bit. hahah...

Peace..

 

[mckb024]

Well come on, you're absolutely right, nobody should be locked up over smoking a weed but certainly you can understand how people that maybe can't grow and therefore are dependent on places like this are a bit upset at the prices charged especially knowing how growers were getting shafted by the dispensaries too. I mean people only in it to make huge profit off of other peoples efforts and illnesses are as much the enemy to our cause as the government is.

good call

 

[kmk420kali]

I would hope they just fight this case on it's own merits because of the precedents it could set if they win. Precedents that could give the states some of their power back.

As we all know Obama did go on record as not using DEA resources to persue people and companies compliant wth their State laws. This implies a willingness of Federal Government to at least give states a chance to govern themselves first and have the Federal position be more just supportive if needed, which is how it should be.

Then there is this issue of Melinda the Hag saying they're doing this because of the potential for abuse because of the size of Harborside. If that's true, if there is no actual abuse and this is all based on a percieved opportunity for abuse. Then that combined with both the President's public position on the issue and the recent crack downs on other dispensaries (forcing business at Harborside to go up by attrition of sources) Harborside would have a real good case for entrapment I think.

But using the Precedent of the Case I mentioned...could very well be what he needs to present a Medical Defense in Federal Court...if it comes to that-- Because without being able to mention MMJ, or State Law...they are sunk--

 

[still pluggin]

Let's be real guys i'm sure there is all kinds of inside baseball going on that we don't have a clue about.

Half these club owners are fbi informants and god knows what else

 

[kmk420kali]

Let's be real guys i'm sure there is all kinds of inside baseball going on that we don't have a clue about.

Half these club owners are fbi informants and god knows what else

That is ridiculousness man...can you show one single shred of anything to back that up?? I know several owners, and that cannot be farther from the truth--

 

[megayields]

FBI informants bewahahah well Im no big fan of dispo's, in fact I avoid them like a skanky ho, but I really don't think their FBI informants...heheh thanks for the laugh..it's been a tough day!

 

[still pluggin]

That is ridiculousness man...can you show one single shred of anything to back that up?? I know several owners, and that cannot be farther from the truth--

I wasn't being literal with the half, but... http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/07/marijuana_dispensary_operators_working_as_federal.php

 

[still pluggin]

FBI informants bewahahah well Im no big fan of dispo's, in fact I avoid them like a skanky ho, but I really don't think their FBI informants...heheh thanks for the laugh..it's been a tough day!

laugh it up

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/07/marijuana_dispensary_operators_working_as_federal.php

I won't hold my breathe for an apology.

 

[kmk420kali]

I wasn't being literal with the half, but... http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/07/marijuana_dispensary_operators_working_as_federal.php

Nice...thank you for that--
I don't actually believe them, as there is no proof...just some chick's rambling...but I could admit that some of the Bottom Feeders might be pulling this, to try and get competition out of the way--
But I will bet that any serious Owners know better...since if anything goes to Trial...you file a Motion for Discovery...and Snitches names have to be named!! It falls back on the "You have the Right to face your accuser" thing--

 

[HempKat]

I'd rather it be Steve - than Winston, Marlboro, Camel, Du Pont, Bayer, Pzier - etc...

I'd even agree - if those making said point (aside from yourself) had not implied [now we can go back to making money ourselves because Harborside isn't around]

The redistribution of wealth is socialism. It is THANKFULLY a free market enterprise.

Cost of a building, property taxes, employees, etc. IE overhead - all those things factor into what must be charged and passed on to the customer...

I also agree that there is a line at which compassion is lost to profiteering...

Question for me really comes down to this:

Who is doing MORE harm?

Steve?

Those shipping outta state?

Drug cartels?

Rich white men hiring illegals to mask as cartels???

Doctors handing out med cards to folks that don't "need" them? (personally, I think it is medicine to ALL)

I mean really - can you REALLY get mad at Steve for putting his ass on TV - KNOWING it would bring the hammer of the FEDS down upon him...

PERSONALLY - SOMEONE - had to make millions doing this - in order to take on the government.

That is the unfortunate reality.

Now everyone that has spent money at Harborside - can pat themselves on the back for helping fund this campaign against the unlawful acts the federal government has committed against the states...



dank.Frank

Me personally I'm not mad at Steve at all I'm too far removed from the dispensary scene (being on the east coast) that it doesn't matter to me one way or another if he profited. The only way it bothers me personally is that those people like him and the growers that supply businesses like his, would love to see things stay more or less the way they are, quasi legal for medical use and illegal for everyone else because it's in that framework where they make the most money. So it's in that sense I say they are as much the enemy as the Feds. I do understand the anger people feel though, alot of those medical people are also old hippies and remember the days when people were less motivated by the all mighty dollar so it's really got to be galling them to pay more for a quarter ounce now then it cost for a quarter pound back in the day.

 

[HempKat]

But using the Precedent of the Case I mentioned...could very well be what he needs to present a Medical Defense in Federal Court...if it comes to that-- Because without being able to mention MMJ, or State Law...they are sunk--

But he should be able to mention both in pointing to Obama's statement about not using Federal resources for dispensaries and patients in compliance with State law. That part is critical because it's in that statement that entrapment works. Basically entrapment is when police get you to break a law you wouldn't normally break and then busts you for it. Then Melinda the Hag strengthens that by closing the other places (thereby driving business to harborside) and then saying they're too big and that increases the risk for abuse. In other words Haag and Obama created the situation and then busted Harborside. The only thing that potentially works against that though is Haborside was already in business and doing well prior to Obama or Haag.

 

[TripleDraw27]

Let's be real guys i'm sure there is all kinds of inside baseball going on that we don't have a clue about.

Half these club owners are fbi informants and god knows what else

Still Invisible, still plugging along?

 

[dank.frank]

Me personally I'm not mad at Steve at all I'm too far removed from the dispensary scene (being on the east coast) that it doesn't matter to me one way or another if he profited. The only way it bothers me personally is that those people like him and the growers that supply businesses like his, would love to see things stay more or less the way they are, quasi legal for medical use and illegal for everyone else because it's in that framework where they make the most money. So it's in that sense I say they are as much the enemy as the Feds. I do understand the anger people feel though, alot of those medical people are also old hippies and remember the days when people were less motivated by the all mighty dollar so it's really got to be galling them to pay more for a quarter ounce now then it cost for a quarter pound back in the day.

No...I agree with this 1,000,000% - trust me on that.

I'm sure there are posts made by me on these forums stating something to the effect of:

If a medical patient is charged MORE for their cannabis than their pharmaceutical counter parts - then yes, who is the big evil.

Granted - most peoples Rx medications are subsidized by federal money into the thousands of dollars - so I am merely referring to a patients out of pocket expenses...

But your point is VERY valid HempKat.

The way to combat such a problem - EVEN IF STEVE WINS - and reforms coming roaring -

DOESN'T MEAN Californians have to flock back to the revolving door pattern that allowed for such operations to grow and become so prominent -

But then - who would be standing in court fighting??? Who would be able to afford to do so???

The thing that gets my respect - Harborside could have simply shut down - went behind closed door paper sliding sessions in large board rooms - and taken a beating...

It is a long standing concept that if you are going to go big - you GO BIG - and just accept that you are going to get shackles some day - most factor that in as a operational expense - set aside in budget - because THEY KNOW - it is part of the game. Take a hit - pay the man - get back out there and make as much as you can before they come swinging the hammer again...

But Harborside is going to take it to court - and duke it out with the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT - "THE MAN" - Going to stand toe to toe - chest out - PROUD of what they did....and I don't care what you say - that takes a serious set of balls.

I wish them the best and hope they spank the government up one side of the street and back down the other - airing all the dirty laundry out along the way...


dank.Frank