You seem to be setting yourself up as my judge, so you tell me WHO you are to judge.
I don't have any problem with facts, give me some.
Effects of burning/vaping
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You seem to be setting yourself up as my judge, so you tell me WHO you are to judge.
I don't have any problem with facts, give me some.
I agree that this is a possibility but the important thing to note is that there is no available hard evidence to support the idea that it's a zero sum game where the anti-cancerous benefits cancel out the carcinogens present in the smoke completely.
ZiggyStardust
Member
now you're making me cry
Phineas Freak
Member
The effects of vaping are different than burning. As described by many here I also feel it a bit clearer and with less burnt/tired feeling.
Its different. I like both. My lung clearly prefers vaping. I do nearly never cough in the morning when i vape.
Depending on your vaporizer use you might inhale the mist/vapor deeper in your lungs which could provoke a different problem than with smoking a joint for example.
But of course burnt material releases much more smoke and mist than just vaporized.
Vaporized weed for example has changed a bit color. What compounds are released in this process?
Its different. I like both. My lung clearly prefers vaping. I do nearly never cough in the morning when i vape.
Depending on your vaporizer use you might inhale the mist/vapor deeper in your lungs which could provoke a different problem than with smoking a joint for example.
But of course burnt material releases much more smoke and mist than just vaporized.
Vaporized weed for example has changed a bit color. What compounds are released in this process?
One thing all have to agree on, is that vaporized thc and other actives in weed that are inhaled, are devoid of carcinogens created by burning material. So even if there is things the pot smoke that may help mitigate carcinogens, there are no carcinogens in the vapor , so it pretty much has to be healthier, unless the proposed anti carcinogens are always 100% effective, which seems rather dubious.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9517614
In many societies, marijuana is the second most commonly smoked substance after tobacco. While delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is unique to marijuana and nicotine to tobacco, the smoke of marijuana, like that of tobacco, consists of a toxic mixture of gases and particulates, many of which are known to be harmful to the lung. Although far fewer marijuana than tobacco cigarettes are generally smoked on a daily basis, the pulmonary consequences of marijuana smoking may be magnified by the greater deposition of smoke particulates in the lung due to the differing manner in which marijuana is smoked. Whereas THC causes modest short-term bronchodilation, regular marijuana smoking produces a number of long-term pulmonary consequences, including chronic cough and sputum, histopathologic evidence of widespread airway inflammation and injury and immunohistochemical evidence of dysregulated growth of respiratory epithelial cells, that may be precursors to lung cancer. The THC in marijuana could contribute to some of these injurious changes through its ability to augment oxidative stress, cause mitochondrial dysfunction, and inhibit apoptosis. On the other hand, physiologic, clinical or epidemiologic evidence that marijuana smoking may lead to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or respiratory cancer is limited and inconsistent. Habitual use of marijuana is also associated with abnormalities in the structure and function of alveolar macrophages, including impairment in microbial phagocytosis and killing that is associated with defective production of immunostimulatory cytokines and nitric oxide, thereby potentially predisposing to pulmonary infection. In view of the growing interest in medicinal marijuana, further epidemiologic studies are needed to clarify the true risks of regular marijuana smoking on respiratory health.
orty healthy young subjects, ages 20 to 49 yr, underwent videobronchoscopy, mucosal biopsy, and bronchial lavage to evaluate the airway inflammation produced by habitual smoking of marijuana and/or tobacco. Videotapes were graded in a blinded manner for central airway erythema, edema, and airway secretions using a modified visual bronchitis index. The bronchitis index scores were significantly higher in marijuana smokers (MS), tobacco smokers (TS), and in combined marijuana/tobacco smokers (MTS), than in nonsmokers (NS). As a pathologic correlate, mucosal biopsies were evaluated for the presence of vascular hyperplasia, submucosal edema, inflammatory cell infiltrates, and goblet cell hyperplasia. Biopsies were positive for two of these criteria in 97% of all smokers and for three criteria in 72%. By contrast, none of the biopsies from NS exhibited greater than one positive finding. Finally, as a measure of distal airway inflammation, neutrophil counts and interleukin-8 (IL-8) concentrations were determined in bronchial lavage fluid. The percentage of neutrophils correlated with IL-8 levels and exceeded 20% in 0 of 10 NS, 1 of 9 MS, 2 of 9 TS, and 5 of 10 MTS. We conclude that regular smoking of marijuana by young adults is associated with significant airway inflammation that is similar in frequency, type, and magnitude to that observed in the lungs of tobacco smokers.
There's no evidence to the contrary either.
The best evidence of MY argument is the lack of people getting sick from smoking marijuana. Where are they? It's not like cannabis is some NEW drug that's just been invented, for Christ's sake.
Okay, then where are all the fucking sick people from smoking cannabis, doctor?
holy cow, getting grumpy a bit? swear words are not necessary to get your point across. Its obvious you have no leg to stand on and are starting to flounder 
ZiggyStardust
Member
hey jellyfish i don't understan why you wanna turn this debate into a fight. you wanted links hamstring provided, now you wanna know where are the sick people... what do you want, names and adresses?
i know several people who where experiencing irritating lungs issues and solved them switching to vaporization... but i didn't even need studies or proof: i tried on my skin and it worked for me, that's enough!
what is your problem here?
to be honest i know strong daily usage of cannabinoids is not ideal for my body (dr. lester grinspoon mentioned several times), but i love it and i do it anyways (studies say ir reduces fertility and my girlfriend got pregnant the very first time we had sex without using contraceptives).
studies say caffeine is bad for your health i drink coffee (love coffee!).
studies say alcohol is bad for you and i enjoy a glass of wine.
meat is bad for you and i like meat!
holy cow, getting grumpy a bit? swear words are not necessary to get your point across. Its obvious you have no leg to stand on and are starting to flounder
Swear words? That's all you got? Who's floundering? Sorry to offend your sensibilities, Princess Hashmasta-Kut.
hey jellyfish i don't understan why you wanna turn this debate into a fight. you wanted links hamstring provided, now you wanna know where are the sick people... what do you want, names and adresses?
i know several people who where experiencing irritating lungs issues and solved them switching to vaporization... but i didn't even need studies or proof: i tried on my skin and it worked for me, that's enough!
Huh? What did you try on your skin?
p.s.- Did the several people who were "experiencing irritating lung issues" go to the doctor? My guess is no, they were probably smoking twenty joints a day, and when they lowered their intake, it solved the problem.
You can get sick from anything if you ingest enough of it.
ZiggyStardust
Member
hey jellyfish you're making me wanna smoke a joint
Swear words? That's all you got? Who's floundering? Sorry to offend your sensibilities, Princess Hashmasta-Kut.
thats exactly what i was saying, "swear words, that's all you got?"
One of the main benefits I and some of my crowd found when switching from vaporizing from smoking( about 5-10 of us all switched over around 2003-2005), is that lung and throat irritation goes way way down. This is one of the main benefits of vaporizing for me: Back when i smoked, which was about for 20 years every day, i used to love making killer hash from roadkill skunk. IT was the preferred smoke by me and my friends for a long time. However, repeated bowls of skunk hash one day, would make it so you were coughing up phlegm and just generally a bad hacking cough, if you tried to smoke much more. After a few bowls of hash your toke size had to go way down due to irritation and coughing. The next day you woke up all congested and coughing and could barely toke more hash. Then after we all switched to vaporizing oil, all of a sudden throat problems and lung congestion virtually dissapeared, and I could have as many oil hits(read just as or more potent than hash hits) as I wanted, all day every day, and no irritation or lung congestion problems result. So the main benefits are I can get totally ripped as much as I want now, with virtually no lung congestion and coughing. Back in the day i loved my hash, but it was a chore to consume, very hard on the ole respiratory, way better now! That, and the lack of burnout are two great positives to vapor over smoke.
ZiggyStardust
Member
yeah that's my experience as well
maybe jellyfish has droid lungs... (do you dream about the electric sheep?)
(BTW: i tried on my skin the switch from combustion to vaporization...)
vapeorbong
Member
to say in 2016 that smoking is not bad for your lung's health and demanding proof sounds pretty silly...proof is everywhere and has been provided
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Robney
Active member
Wow a lot going on here.....
Thanks to everyone for providing so many links, I don't know if I still think vaporizers are as safe as many say, because we have not studied them for much longer than 10 years or so it seems, though I'll absolutely concede that they are far safer than smoking. And everyone here has got me thinking about trying them out again, so thanks for sharing and I hope everyone is enjoying their buds the way they want to enjoy them!
Thanks to everyone for providing so many links, I don't know if I still think vaporizers are as safe as many say, because we have not studied them for much longer than 10 years or so it seems, though I'll absolutely concede that they are far safer than smoking. And everyone here has got me thinking about trying them out again, so thanks for sharing and I hope everyone is enjoying their buds the way they want to enjoy them!
ZiggyStardust
Member
well said!
Yellowmoon
Active member
Didn't this little chatty chat just blast off... great!
It's true, different strokes for different folks. You need to get your doze the way you want to feel it in your body, and for some that means smoking against your own better judgement. But so it shall be... well I am going to stick to vapour, occasionally wishing the whole thing was better balanced.
It's true, different strokes for different folks. You need to get your doze the way you want to feel it in your body, and for some that means smoking against your own better judgement. But so it shall be... well I am going to stick to vapour, occasionally wishing the whole thing was better balanced.
