Effects of burning/vaping

[hamstring]

Let me relate a story about how it went when i switched from smoking all the time(bud and hash or kif), to vaporizing(oil).

Now I have worked in labor jobs for many years, over a decade at one place. Me and some friends always smoked up every break and usually before work too, so every two hours. Back when we smoked, by the next break, 2 hours later, lethargy and negativity were hard to fight, and that next toke was looked on as a very needed re-upping, which would last maybe an hour. Then a few of us switched to vaping oil, and all of a sudden, there was almost 0 lethargy, and at the end of a shift going to get high, we would usually be very upbeat, still making stoner jokes, because we were still high! ALmost 0 burnout when inhaling vapor, and smoking is complelely different. Especially certain things, i recall even abstaining at a time all we could get was import hash( late 80s), and It would make me so sleepy i could hardly handle it. I found it a great benefit vaporizing all day compared to smoking. I like the odd bit of smoke in the evening.

I like this description. Although I am not the type/frequent of a smoker I have friends who smoked exactly like this on the job. They were all roofers the tile and slate type not asphalt. Always two stories up or more. I never knew understood it sounds crazy.

There is a lot of truth to this because if you smoke (in my opinion) you get a initial burst of energy that diminishes later on to lethargy. I dont get this rush of energy when smoking vape pens.

This may be an apples to oranges comparison because I believe ( not positive) that the vape pen cartridges are always decarbed material.

I'm am also a green dragon fan and that is a different type of high than both smoking or vape pens. But again smoking gives me a initial rush of energy that I dont get from other types of ingestion .

my 2 cents

 

[Robney]

Different smokes for different folks


But let's be clear, in terms of cancer, no one can say vaporizing is safer and smoking, because scientists and doctors do not know the actual root cause of cancer: from www.cancer.org "No one knows the exact cause of most cases of cancer. We know that certain changes in our cells can cause cancer to start, but we don’t yet know exactly how it all happens. Scientists are studying this problem and learning more about the many steps it takes for cancers to form and grow." Sure, we can make correlations like smoking cigarettes can contribute, but you still see 90 year old smokers who never get cancer. So, until we get a lot more studies comparing vaping to smoking, don't act like you know more than the entire medical community.

And to respond to Yellowmoon, yeah I've noticed the same thing and it is one of the reasons I do not like vaporizers

 

[vapeorbong]

not meant for confrontation but.....it is well proven that carcinogens are strongly linked to causing cancer.
Combustion by its nature produces carcinogens as process that leaves the charred carbon ash behind

Yes, there is no single root to cause the 'cancerous' cell mutations, but carcinogens definitely are ever so strongly linked to them...like a magnet

so if properly vaping and not crossing the line of combustion,yes, vaping is proven to be safer. Tons of studies show the vaping of cannabis to be non-harmful, carcinogen free, and second only to edible ingestion in its safety of consumption


But lets not argue...lets all just take a moment and enjoy some herb in which ever manner you prefer

 

[Jellyfish]

not meant for confrontation but.....it is well proven that carcinogens are strongly linked to causing cancer.
Combustion by its nature produces carcinogens as process that leaves the charred carbon ash behind

Yes, there is no single root to cause the 'cancerous' cell mutations, but carcinogens definitely are ever so strongly linked to them...like a magnet

so if properly vaping and not crossing the line of combustion,yes, vaping is proven to be safer. Tons of studies show the vaping of cannabis to be non-harmful, carcinogen free, and second only to edible ingestion in its safety of consumption


But lets not argue...lets all just take a moment and enjoy some herb in which ever manner you prefer

Goddamnit, that is pretty passive aggressive. Vaping is NOT proven to be safer. If smoking pot causes cancer (carcinogenics) then where are all these cases of pot smokers with lung disease? Show me ONE. ONE.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Well just to start, there are dozens of sources of vapour people inhale which are completely harmless, such as water vapor. Vapor is just pure molecules of something, before its burnt and changed into new molecules, which often are harmful after the change.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haqi4xvjvKo

http://time.com/money/4005030/vaping-healthier-cigarettes-expensive/

Pretty sure just comparing smoke, lower temperature smoke is less harmful than hotter smoke. The hotter the smoke, the more it damages the cells it comes into contact with, more chance for the aforementioned mutation.

 

[igrowone]

Goddamnit, that is pretty passive aggressive. Vaping is NOT proven to be safer. If smoking pot causes cancer (carcinogenics) then where are all these cases of pot smokers with lung disease? Show me ONE. ONE.

from what i've read, pot reduces cancer incidence rates, but reduction is not zero
Bob Marley comes to mind as a weed smoking lung cancer casualty
although he may have puffed his fair share of tobacco too

 

[hamstring]

The starter of the thread asked if vaping was healthier he did not ask about cancer. It has been proven that burning any thing and inhaling it is not good for you. More studies need to be done on vaping.

So just because you dont get the big C doesnt make smoking weed harmless. Its not good for you lungs period that has been proven.

If you look at all the available ingestion options smoking is the worst. I say that as a smoker myself.

 

[Jellyfish]

The starter of the thread asked if vaping was healthier he did not ask about cancer. It has been proven that burning any thing and inhaling it is not good for you. More studies need to be done on vaping.

So just because you dont get the big C doesnt make smoking weed harmless. Its not good for you lungs period that has been proven.

If you look at all the available ingestion options smoking is the worst. I say that as a smoker myself.

Show me a link where it's been proven that pot smoking is bad for your lungs.

 

[Jellyfish]

from what i've read, pot reduces cancer incidence rates, but reduction is not zero
Bob Marley comes to mind as a weed smoking lung cancer casualty
although he may have puffed his fair share of tobacco too

Yeah, if you smoke tobacco, then you can't blame cannabis for your lung cancer, because tobacco has been proven to cause lung cancer. Same as if you were a coal miner and you smoked pot. If you got cancer, you couldn't blame it on the weed.

Andy Kaufman didn't smoke anything, but he died of lunch cancer (or DID he?:big grin Most likely second hand smoke.

 

[_tessarecting]

It was toe cancer I thought. Not pulmonary.

Or it started in his toe, he refused treatment because Rasta, and it spread?

Yup confirmed wikipedia said so. Melanoma under the toenail

 

[Huckster79]

I love em both... Though I say I get higher with the vaporizer.... Sorry no health input that wud be hypocritical of me to offer health advise...

 

[Huckster79]

Though I guess I will say my chest hurts less in the morning after vamping nite before than smoking

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Show me a link where it's been proven that pot smoking is bad for your lungs.

show me a doctor who will advocate smoking pot as a healthy form of administration.

 

[ZiggyStardust]

i found a couple of links Jellyfish:

http://www.livescience.com/46536-vaporizing-marijuana-benefits-risks.html

http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/

http://www.canabud.ca/blog/item/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana

like we said several times "to each its own" (way of consuming cannabis).
if you like to smoke, go for it!
as for myself, i know my lungs are healtier now: when i was smoking i could't take a deep breath without coughing or feel some lung pain, but maybe i am more lung sensitive...

i agree that there are't enough studies to determine whether smoking cannabis really provokes cancer, sorry for being unprecise.
but there are studies which say that cannabis smoke contains may of the same compounds as tobacco smoke.

 

[lawlrus]

Show me a link where it's been proven that pot smoking is bad for your lungs.

The onus of providing proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim.

You do no one any favors by having a head-in-the-sand approach to the plant we all love so much.

 

[Jellyfish]

Though I guess I will say my chest hurts less in the morning after vamping nite before than smoking

Well, quit vamping, bro.

 

[Jellyfish]

i found a couple of links Jellyfish:

http://www.livescience.com/46536-vaporizing-marijuana-benefits-risks.html

http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/

http://www.canabud.ca/blog/item/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana

like we said several times "to each its own" (way of consuming cannabis).
if you like to smoke, go for it!
as for myself, i know my lungs are healtier now: when i was smoking i could't take a deep breath without coughing or feel some lung pain, but maybe i am more lung sensitive...

i agree that there are't enough studies to determine whether smoking cannabis really provokes cancer, sorry for being unprecise.
but there are studies which say that cannabis smoke contains may of the same compounds as tobacco smoke.

Okay, here's a quote from your first link- "Experts say that vaporizing cannabis is probably healthier and less irritating to the lungs than smoking it, but this misty consumption method may also be more potent than smoking."

See the word "probably" in there? That means they are just flapping their gums the way most of you on this thread are.

If you would rather vape than smoke it's fine by me. I just don't think it's right to scare people out of smoking because your idly biddy wungs hurt after a smoking session.

 

[lawlrus]

Jellyfish, the following statement:

"All smoke contains cancer-causing agents known as carcinogens as a result of the combustion process."

Agree or disagree?

 

[lawlrus]

"Lalalala I can't hear you" while plugging your ears with your fingers every time a fact that is contrary to your worldview is presented is a pretty lame way to go about life, but who am I to judge?

 

[Jellyfish]

Jellyfish, the following statement:

"All smoke contains cancer-causing agents known as carcinogens as a result of the combustion process."

Agree or disagree?

That's not the point. It's also true that there are chemicals in cannabis that offset the effects of said carcinogens.

Agree or disagree?