Earth Juice Users

[ButterCup]

Wish I could be of service to you Buttercup but no experience in that department (im a big hose kinda guy)

If you would like some help with ANYTHING else - im here for you.

This being your first soil run I would suggest keeping it as simple as possible, to me organic soil methods & drippers sounds like the negatives could out weight the positives ?

Hey Tactical Farmer, thank you very much for your kind reply.

I am definitely going to keep things very simple. I just transplanted my girls from coco into 3 gal smart pot with FFOF. I plan on feeding them teas with some molasses for 3 weeks of veg before flipping them.

So here are some questions for you, what nute regimen would you suggest for flowering, I am assuming that in 3 weeks FFOF will be out nutes so I would need to supply a lot of nutes during flowering.

Another really important question, if you don't mind. At the moment the 3 gal smart pots are on the floor of the hut in saucers, how often will I be flushing or having run off from the pots. If not often then I won't need to invest in a tray.

Thanks a bunch buddy.

 

[Carl Carlson]

Good luck with your triple side by side test Carl.

Could we in any way talk you into doing a quad side by side test using the new EJ lines ?

Old vs. Elements vs. Sweet & Heavy vs. Sugar Peak

That would be really cool but a major pain in the ass...

What I intend to test is chemical hydro (two ways) vs organic soilless (amended) for both yield and quality. Only the original EJ line will be used, but it could also be done with General Organics BioThrive Grow (1 part) + Diamond Black (2 part) edit: or BioBud (2 part) instead of the Diamond Black.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Hey Tactical Farmer, thank you very much for your kind reply.

I am definitely going to keep things very simple. I just transplanted my girls from coco into 3 gal smart pot with FFOF. I plan on feeding them teas with some molasses for 3 weeks of veg before flipping them.

So here are some questions for you, what nute regimen would you suggest for flowering, I am assuming that in 3 weeks FFOF will be out nutes so I would need to supply a lot of nutes during flowering.

Another really important question, if you don't mind. At the moment the 3 gal smart pots are on the floor of the hut in saucers, how often will I be flushing or having run off from the pots. If not often then I won't need to invest in a tray.

Thanks a bunch buddy.

Well your plants sure are looking very healthy BC.

i don't use FFOF - Anyone ?

Nute Regimen = (currently) I like to make sure they have just enough N to make it through stretch (w/o much leaf fade) then cut off all N feeding after those 2 weeks. Then simply try to keep my runoff EC around 2.0 & gauge how much bloom etc I can pour in my tea based off that number. Don't know if that would work for others but doing that has really helped my buds get fat with very little leaf growth during flower.

Runoff = Once I see roots poking out the holes is when I make sure to water fully as most of the roots will be packed at the bottom. You may be able to rotate watering top then bottom style ?
Like water normal then later fill saucers to (wick) water from the bottom.

Just some ideas - good luck.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

What I intend to test is chemical hydro (two ways) vs organic soilless (amended) for both yield and quality. Only the original EJ line will be used, but it could also be done with General Organics BioThrive Grow (1 part) + Diamond Black (2 part).

Hope you know what your getting into there Carl - Doing multiple tests like that at the same time has always turned into a MAJOR STRESSFUL HEADACHE when ive gone there.

Then again - im pretty dumb & cant remember hardly anything.

 

[Carl Carlson]

Oh I'm sure it's going to be a major stressful headache, but the curiosity won't go away.

 

[loki3xb]

Tactical-

As I stated in another post on this thread, I purchased 1 gallon of the 3 major EJ nutes (Grow,Bloom,Catalyst). This goes to your question earlier tact, How does the EJ smell?

Im still not able to answer that, but I do know that my gallon of grow smelled alot different then the quart, and was not as thick, it was more fluid, I would say watered down but thats not the case as the color was the same for both. I also just picked up a gallon of the Hi-Brix molasses from EJ, you wanna talk about smell. The Hi-Brix is a BBQ smell more of a teriyaki, its very unique compared to my wholesome organics molasses.

Buttercup -

If your going all organic you should never "FLUSH" in the sense to remove salts from the soil as you wont need to. As for the smart pots I hear they works wonders, but you should have a plastic tray under them to catch run off water, when my girls are in flower I try to have run off every time. Im sure tactical will have some more advice on the subject

 

[liquidmaco]

buttercup-those things are gonna suck all the nutes out of that 3 gal in way less than three weeks. i would feed them the whole time. i use amended ffof fflw and peat mix now. when i used only ffof and lw i got used to feeding about a week after a pot up to avoid def. and if its a large rootmass/plant i wouldnt skip a beat. ive only run about a half dozen strains though maybe they were all hogs. i currently use 3 gal root pots which are the same idea as smart pots. i havent completed a full run yet but i get minimal runoff. i built these fancy wire mesh 4x4 trays for my flower room and in my veg theyre just hanging out on my tent floor. as far as mess or runoff goes - i havent bothered to pick up some small plastic trays yet for my veg. seems all my fancy mesh trays did was make my RH go bonkers when i water. i figured it be good for air to get at the bottom of the pots though. hope this was helpful

 

[louie]

oops double post.

 

[loki3xb]

Yes everything you just said is normal... Welcome to the EJ club

 

[milehighmedical]

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[Tactical Farmer]

Welcome MHM,

My thoughts are right on with what your saying, mild feedings every watering (unless you amended with high amounts of dry ferts, which makes it hard to gauge whats going on timing wise).

BUT ive found when active nutrients in the soil reach a certain point that the plant becomes overfed (EC 3.0 - +4.0), nute absorption slows drastically.

Its very easy to overfeed - so easy one might think there underfeeding but with EC testing it gives you a general idea how potent the medium is.

Ive been keeping my PH runoff in the low 6 range (which for me can only be obtained by not adding lime) & EC runoff in the 2.0 - 2.5 through flower with impressive results IMO.

Everyones system / setup / methods / medium is different but thats the basics of my little plan.

* Hows the girls going buttercup / loki ?

* PS: My "aged" gal of Grow is getting quite thick

 

[milehighmedical]

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[Tactical Farmer]

Im still in amazement that more people don't give a crap, ive tried to explain it as its not rocket science but I mostly get the get the (ha ha this is organics man, ha ha bet you check ph too, ha ha)



I guess science books say its a false notion ?

what other symptoms did you observe from over-feeding?

just sluggish growth with small (noobie budz) - plants showed signs like they were over watered & or staved for fresh air & not thrilled with life kind of look.

How do you feel if you had thanksgiving dinner in your belly 24-7 ?

Belly constantly 1/2 full is the way to top performance IMO.

Im sure there are MANY MANY factors involved from one garden to the other, wattage, nute brand, medium, fresh air levels, water, ph, strain, etcX100.

One way to just jump right into the research / testing would be to check ph & ec runoff (properly) record #s & record overall plant look / performance at that life stage.

If your ph is 7 anything & your ec meter cant even read as high as your runoff is then = maybe thats why your plants aren't high times centerfold material.

*DISCLAIMER: if you have taken offense this is not a personal attact at your greenthumb ability & or methods, im high & im only kidding. everything I present is fabricated and/or embellished - I am, in reality, not actually a part of, or in any way involved in, said counter culture.

 

[milehighmedical]

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[louie]

how do you guys measure out your EJ nutes? spoons, oral syringes, other....I was going to use oral syringes, but man that EJ Grow is thick.

 

[milehighmedical]

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[Tactical Farmer]

Or you could just pour the bottle into the water till the EC is roughly what you need.

 

[louie]

So if I mix like say 20 gal of water and nutes at a time and keep it aerated with a pump, how long is it good for?

 

[Wooderson]

I mixed up a Earth Juice Solution for the first time:
Grow 2 TBSP
bloom 1 tsp
Microblast 1 tsp
Meta K 1 tsp
Catalyst 1 tsp

The Ph is 4.0 is the normal? Do I need to ad Ph up? the bottle says 5.2 to 6.3 is ideal...

 

[Conchstoner]

I mixed up a Earth Juice Solution for the first time:
Grow 2 TBSP
bloom 1 tsp
Microblast 1 tsp
Meta K 1 tsp
Catalyst 1 tsp

The Ph is 4.0 is the normal? Do I need to ad Ph up? the bottle says 5.2 to 6.3 is ideal...

I quit adjusting my Ph and got even bigger harvests. I don't do anything but mix it up and use it.