notorious646
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if its even a question you need to doubt if its safe or not. then id be safe and just use something else.
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Eagle 20 PM Killer, Cancerous?
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bro your words below
you risked something you can't qualify because of fear (afraid other methods wont work) and greed (opportunity cost)
this is the WHOLE reason on in everyone's face in this thread but seriously i thank you for your honestly
your health and the health of others is not worth compromise
were are a generation whose economic landscape has been devastated by businesses whose product is propaganda such as disbelief in the case of big tobacco
we have a chance to shape the landscape that the future of marijuana horticulture will be and we don't have to build it on the same defective platform that incites greed and collapses markets
im not as crazy or condescending as you think
i wouldn't know how to strike your egos so deftly if i didn't posses the exact same mind at some point in this journey and trust me its dangerous and self defeating and in the end will not serve you well
a lot of unsung unknown heads suffered generations of prohibition and gave up blood, sweat and tears to get this movement to were it is
lets not sell them out
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batman skunk
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Not fear and greed. I made my "Intelligent decision" making based on informative knowledge from qualified professionals not obsessive trolls who repost twisted variations of the truth and always have to have the last word. I've said what I have to say and I hope you get a life dude.
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YosemiteSam
I just cannot help it...out of curiosity who exactly are these qualified professionals?
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SeaMaiden
I *have* to ask the same thing. Certainly not an ag consultant or pesticide operator.
My curiosity is up now. First, which species of powdery mildew infects cannabis? There are many, this I know, and not all infect across all species of plants, this I also know. Just musing, but it popped into my head.
I'm repeating myself here, but I don't think anyone has taken the time to read the MSDS I attached previously. Naphthalene and myclobutinil are NOT the only substances in E20, nor are they the only substances of concern. I don't think I've read a single person here mention cyclohexadone, which brings me to wonder, do they not know it's in E20?
I'll attach it again, and ask people to PLEASE read Section 15. It's difficult to understand fully unless you're familiar with how the feds and states regulate all products used on crops. I am beginning to familiarize myself as I work with my county ag department, working toward a goal of a certified organic market garden.
Again, reiterating another previous point--what if folks looked not to roses or veggies for a corollary for Tx of cannabis, but to the only other product which is grown to be smoked? Tobacco. E20 is not to be used on tobacco, not in the greenhouse and not in the field.
A LOT of people here are practicing cognitive dissonance, in full.
So the State of California says that this product contains a chemical not *guessed* to cause cancer, but *known* to cause cancer, that's the first thing I need to point out.
Eagle 20EW MSDS said:
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greenmatter
in the book "Hemp Diseases and Pests" they say the crop we are talking about is infected by two types of PM
Sphaerotheca macularis and Leveillula taurica
this book was written a while ago so there may be new things added to the list by now.
i know from my own back yard the the bee balm and squash can be infected and have zero effect on the pot plants 3 feet away ........i don't think all PM is the same animal
Sphaerotheca macularis and Leveillula taurica
this book was written a while ago so there may be new things added to the list by now.
i know from my own back yard the the bee balm and squash can be infected and have zero effect on the pot plants 3 feet away ........i don't think all PM is the same animal
I do take quiet, strange enjoyment in the fact that despite the factual data folks are making available here, others like to beat the same rhetoric drum. 
I have a feeling I may regret this post, but after the same observation for the umpteenth time, I couldn't help myself.
I have a feeling I may regret this post, but after the same observation for the umpteenth time, I couldn't help myself.
hiya, this controversy over eagle20, sounds like the same shit that came up many years ago regarding dutch masters "superbud", firstly people heard that it was carcegenic then only if used in large quantitys?[whatever the fuck that means,what constitutes large quantitys],i think the "proof in the pudding" was when it was banned and unable to be bought anywhere and it turned out no smoke without fire, its back on sale now after many years and would i use it, no fucking way, i like to keep things nice and simple, peace and safe growing 944s2
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Veg N Out
944s2 , You're talkin about Paclobutrazol , the active ingredient in Dr Nodes, SuperBud, Bushmaster etc., ...This stuff IS a Carcinogen and is not passed for labeling in CA...
Eagle 20 IS a Carcinogen...
Eagle 20 IS a Carcinogen...
RedReign
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Once again weird, show me the exact evidence that it is known to cause cancer in humans.........enjoy the search lol...there simply is nothing conclusive as of right now, despite your obfuscation ...
You do realize the amounts and frequency that were fed to those animals don't you....and you think it is analogous to pot farmers using once in a veg cycle?That is what I mean when I say you don't understand what you are doing....
Why is it used on grapes, apples, etc if it is so goddamn terrible Weird??
Have you factored in the half life? Can you tell us what, if anything will be present in the plant at harvest?
Have you taken these things into account in your analysis all knowing one?
Hey Weird, did you know bananas are radioactive? It's true, better stay away from them....
Me, I eat them every day.
Geez where's Grapeman when you need him................
Won't even bother with the rest of your diatribe.....
Originally Posted by Mia
Once again weird, show me the exact evidence that it is known to cause cancer in humans.........enjoy the search lol...there simply is nothing conclusive as of right now, despite your obfuscation ...
You do realize the amounts and frequency that were fed to those animals don't you....and you think it is analogous to pot farmers using once in a veg cycle?That is what I mean when I say you don't understand what you are doing....
Why is it used on grapes, apples, etc if it is so goddamn terrible Weird??
Have you factored in the half life? Can you tell us what, if anything will be present in the plant at harvest?
Have you taken these things into account in your analysis all knowing one?
Hey Weird, did you know bananas are radioactive? It's true, better stay away from them....
Me, I eat them every day.
Geez where's Grapeman when you need him................
Won't even bother with the rest of your diatribe.....
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Originally Posted by Mia
Once again weird, show me the exact evidence that it is known to cause cancer in humans.........enjoy the search lol...there simply is nothing conclusive as of right now, despite your obfuscation ...
You do realize the amounts and frequency that were fed to those animals don't you....and you think it is analogous to pot farmers using once in a veg cycle?That is what I mean when I say you don't understand what you are doing....
Why is it used on grapes, apples, etc if it is so goddamn terrible Weird??
Have you factored in the half life? Can you tell us what, if anything will be present in the plant at harvest?
Have you taken these things into account in your analysis all knowing one?
Hey Weird, did you know bananas are radioactive? It's true, better stay away from them....
Me, I eat them every day.
Geez where's Grapeman when you need him................
Won't even bother with the rest of your diatribe.....
^THIS....im so fuckin sick of this argument. weird, go find a place that will test for traces of any of the 3 major "carcinogens" that are in e20...lets all send in some ssamples. if people who sprayed before flipping to 12/12 still have large traces of e20, then congrats you win, and we should all stop using it...and we can end this fuckery of an argument once and for all..the anti e-20 crowd is acting like we are spraying nugs with e20 before handing them off to sick old ladies, and topping off our bowls with a little e20...and rubbing it all over our balls before bedtime...
the entire reason we are argueing could possibly be nullified by tests showing that the residues of e20 are not in plants only sprayed in veg.....or vice versa..than you can go to the grape growing forums and scold all of them for using e20..
what DOESNT have carcinogens....im probably soakin up carcinogens from this couch im sitting on, probably had a bunch of carcinogens in my lungs earlier from riding my quad...probably got some carcinogens from the dish soap i used to wash my hands...are you gonna encase yourself in a giant anti carcinogen bubble? THE MARIJAUNA PLANT ITSELF, EVEN WITHOUT e20 or any pesticide, HAS CARCINOGENS WHEN BURNED FOR SMOKING..
so how do you consume marijuana weird? what method would remove all carcinogens so you dont have to smoke the combustible plant matter? are you gonna live your life always in fear of the all mighty and scary carcinogens??
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SeaMaiden
Ok. Do you have a particular lab in mind? It would have to be one that not only tests for these compounds, but that will test cannabis for these compounds. Legally speaking, that may be much more of a problem than many might think, specifically because nothing is labeled, i.e. approved, for use on cannabis.
Once we find the (good quality) lab that will do this, will you send in the samples? I can't, because I don't use restricted pesticides.
Once we find the (good quality) lab that will do this, will you send in the samples? I can't, because I don't use restricted pesticides.
yea i will donate samples of nug that was sprayed in veg...8-9 weeks before harvest and 10-11 weeks before ready for smoke...
also it cant be "restricted" since cannabis is illegal in the first place...e20 is restricted in use of certain edible fruits and veggies but allowed for grape cultivation...why is that!
i talked to an underling today who runs a tiny little grow...told me hes in week 3 and has spider mites and PM and hes gonna spray with forbid and e20...THAT IS THE KINDA SHIT I DONT CONDONE. and i told him i sure as shit wont be smoking any of his herb...anything in flower is a no go for me.
but seriously i would be very very interested in seeing exactly how much % traces of anything from e20 lasting beyond its 2 month shelf life in the finished herb of plants sprayed in veg....those results would pretty much solve this argument once and for all....
also it cant be "restricted" since cannabis is illegal in the first place...e20 is restricted in use of certain edible fruits and veggies but allowed for grape cultivation...why is that!
i talked to an underling today who runs a tiny little grow...told me hes in week 3 and has spider mites and PM and hes gonna spray with forbid and e20...THAT IS THE KINDA SHIT I DONT CONDONE. and i told him i sure as shit wont be smoking any of his herb...anything in flower is a no go for me.
but seriously i would be very very interested in seeing exactly how much % traces of anything from e20 lasting beyond its 2 month shelf life in the finished herb of plants sprayed in veg....those results would pretty much solve this argument once and for all....
im gonna use Kali Green potassium bicarbonate powder on my outdoor plants this year. 2 tsp per gallon,omri listed,and kills pm on contact according to a friend up north.....
and preventive sprays of milk solution..maybe some of that green cure stuff. also got some garlic or rosemary based stuff that some hippies swear by..
and preventive sprays of milk solution..maybe some of that green cure stuff. also got some garlic or rosemary based stuff that some hippies swear by..
ALL that bullshit turns your hairs from white to brown, which in turn will make your bud NOT develop to its what its normal size is supposed to be...
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SeaMaiden
It's restricted, legally speaking, because it's not labeled for cannabis. It is also not labeled for many other things, such as tobacco and quinoa. In fact, quinoa is just like cannabis in that there are NO pesticides, no 'cides' whatsoever, that are include it in its labeling.
Why something is labeled for one thing and not another? That's a question for your ag inspector or the manufacturer. As I understand it, labeling laws have to do with record-keeping within the food chain (can't say about ornamentals). In fact, that's why regular folk can't buy ag labeled products, legally speaking of course. The flip side of that is that an production ag operation may NOT use products labeled for home use. Everything has its EPA number and its place in the database.
So maybe that leads us to wonder, HOW does something get labeled for use on anything? Again, I'm going to be making an educated guess at best, but I personally think that it's to do with having to pay not only for each different produce item to be labeled, but each SIZE of the product must go through the process, and that costs. Beyond that, again guessing here, but I would assume that labeling is based on field trials. Apparently there have not been
any/many field trials on quinoa (or there isn't enough quinoa under cultivation).
Would it, though, really? I've already proven that there are compounds in E20 that are known to be cancer-causing agents. I've also proven that it falls under SARA laws, and that several states severely restrict its use, not just hippie-dippie California. I have also proven that it's known to cause resistance in PM fungi, and that is causing more than one apple grower some headaches.
Based on all that, even if one finds absolutely no residues within cannabis plant tissues, it seems to me that it's still fraught with problems. These are simply exacerbated by the all-too-often all-too-casual use of this and similar products by cannabis growers.
If you're going to use milk, try to get raw milk. You would be amazed what it does in total. I wish I could find raw milk where I am, but I have had no luck. Might have to buy a cow! If I do that, I guess I'll start eating veal.
everything causes cancer in cali . my car had a sticker when i bought it. stating components of the interior were know to cause cancer. and last trip to home depot a sign stated wood dust causes cancer
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greenmatter
SO TRUE !!!!!
i'm not saying ANYTHING about E20 , but the label bullshit has gone beyond "sensible" at this point.
a ladder has 12 fucking labels on it that break down to "gravity applies to this piece of equipment moron" .......... they should just simplify the whole thing and put the "LIFE causes DEATH 100% of the time" label on everything from a Tic-Tac to a nuclear weapon
Mia
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Whaaaat?
you mean Weird's irrelevant picture whooring and scientific misrepresentations didn't already convince you otherwise?
How sad.
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