E.T. evidence thread

[sirgrassalot]

oh sorry, i forgot...its only when your in agreement with our government will you be considered "respected" around here... how many times have you been to space??
why would he say these things if he didn't believe they were true? It is easy to say that these folks are nuts or just seeking attention, but the ridicule and personal attacks that happen to them can't be worth it to the individual who speaks out on the issue.
They risk jobs, careers, reputations and the support of friends and families sometimes.
why to sell a book?
Why go to that much effort and bs if they don't believe what they are saying?
I don't see an upside it

Space, no I haven't been there, I'm waiting on the Hawaiian Rocket Base to set up & I win the lotto I'm there with a 20mp camera. I do think he's an attention whore & all he needs is some real evidence to make the majority of intelligent beings here on earth look foolish.

For $200,000, tourists would receive a weeklong package that includes spaceflight training, resort accommodations and short test flights to simulate weightlessness.

Up to five tourists would then prepare for a horizontal takeoff aboard a special rocket plane, climb to 40,000 feet before rockets fire, accelerate to 3,500 mph, coast for a few minutes of weightlessness 62 miles above the Earth, flip over and then return to ground.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1719338/hawaii_considers_tourist_space_flight_program/index.html

 

[ksac]

T.Baggins, can you provide anything other than anecdotal evidence?

I think you've fallen for the hasty conclusion fallacy. You overestimate the plausibility of your theory and underestimate other explanations. Is it so hard to admit that we "don't know"?

 

[T.Baggins]

I think we do know!
no one has proven to me ET dont or cant exist
shit, we travel to other planets, couldn't the reverse be true? what makes us so special in this universe?
did you know our sun is going to die and we will have to leave this planet one day... and make home somewhere else... what will that make us? ETs..
I think perhaps what you are picking up on here, is the sheer frustration that i and the more open-minded folks on this site face.

Everybody is headhunting from the outset, for the absolute proof. i cant prove anything to anyone.. nor do i care to..There is a common problem with proof anyways. Many things which people think of as proof is not proof at all... This can be illustrated in this thread.

People come here to argue that ETs do not exist. I awaited this argument.. but their is none, all they do is refute my arguments... even if a person is able to refute all the evidence put out by me or others that does not disprove the thesis. it only disproves the arguments...
However, those may not be the only arguments or the best arguments...
Proof for any subject, has to come in specific ways. In empirical matters the proof needs to be empirical and in
historical matters the proof needs to be historical.
Though everyone talks of proof, most of them cannot distinguish between actual proofs and mere arguments.
Not every argument is valid, let alone a proof....sooo, all i can do is point to some incredible historical evidence from the dawn of human history right up to the to the modern day... eyewitness testimony, like from former astronauts who have actually been to space... videos from everyday people like you and and me.. and let the chips fall where they may... it would be easy to be a sceptic and dismiss all of this and say, oh their all crazy...or ill only believe when the government says its true, and i see them on CNN them shaking hands with Obama at the UN.... but, i dont think their all crazy, their is something their...

Any how, since Walter Cronkite is in the news... RIP... here's "the most trusted man in Americas" UFO story


7/29/2007 8:16:39 PM
In the 1950s Cronkite was part of a pool of News Reporters brought out to a small South Pacific island to watch the test of a new Air Force missile. After a short inspection of the new system by the reporters, they were lead to an area that was a safe distance from the launch site. The missile was mounted on a specially-built launcher that was attached to a cement base. It was obvious that the area had been quickly built just for the test. The details about the missile were going to be given to the reporters in he form of hand-out sheets and press releases after the test.

Cronkite mentioned that he and the other reporters had been warned that photography of the missile test and any audio transmissions or recordings by the press were forbidden. They would have to give a written account of the event. Just as the test was ready to proceed, everyone was writing as fast as they could. As Air Force Security personnel walked around the perimeter of the test area with guard dogs and the news reporters watched, the missile was fired-up and about to be released. Just then, a large disc-type UFO appeared on the scene.

Cronkite guessed that the object was about 50-60 feet in diameter, a dull grey color and had no visible means of propulsion. Because the noise of activity around him and the missile engine was so loud, he couldn't tell whether the disc made any noise. He did not notice any coming directly from the object.

As Air Force guards ran toward the UFO with their dogs, the disc hovered about 30 feet off of the ground. It suddenly sent out a blue beam of light which struck the missile, a guard and a dog all at the same time. The missile was frozen in mid-air about 70 feet from the launcher as it had taken off. A guard was frozen in mid-step and a dog frozen in mid-air as it had jumped at the disc. Cronkite reminded me that this all happened within the space of about five minutes or less.

Suddenly, the missile exploded! After that, the disc vanished. The guard and dog looked alright, but were quickly taken away by medical personnel always present at tests in case anyone became injured. At the same time, guards rapidly ushered the reporters into a concrete observation bunker. After about thirty minutes of sitting in that hot box, they were brought out into the air again and addressed by an Air Force Colonel.

The officer told them, "It was all part of the test." Obviously making it up as he went along, the Colonel said that the event was "staged" to test media reaction to UFOs. He reinforced the usual line to the reporters that Flying Saucers were probably not extra-terrestrial, but what people were actually seeing was secret planes being tested by the Air Force. This test was designed to show the media how "shocking" it could be to suddenly view a new technology. Well, Cronkite was certain that what he viewed was a new technology, but he was also sure it was not an Earthly one! He didn't believe the Air Force explanation then, and he still didn't believe it at the time when he told me the story.

After the event, reporters were told that since it was a test of media reaction to new technology, they could not report on it! But, they would be compensated later with exclusive stories on new Air Force projects (a promise that was never kept). Being as private as he was, Cronkite never did share with me his own beliefs about UFOs beyond the story he told me. I was so happy to have heard the story that I was afraid to ask anything further!

The CBS UFO Special was filmed shortly after my meeting with Cronkite and I was included in it for just a few minutes. During the filming, I became aware that Cronkite had not shared his story with most of the other UFO investigators or witnesses. After the special aired I called one of Cronkite's staff members and asked him if he had ever heard the UFO story. He told me he had. Cronkite had only shared it with a few key people and it was NOT covered or even mentioned in the Special.

I wondered why Cronkite had chosen to tell me the story without telling everyone? The staff members told me that most of the others were so busy telling him about themselves that he just never bothered. I guess that the greatest lesson the legendary newsman taught me that day was the art of conversation, knowing when to talk and when to listen!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z-oNaxTp6c

 

[ksac]

I think we do know!
no one has proven to me ET dont or cant exist
shit, we travel to other planets, couldn't the reverse be true? what makes us so special in this universe?

No one is out to prove that aliens don't exist. It's not usual form to go around trying to prove negatives. We would have to provide proof everyday that aliens hadn't visited us that day or we would have to search every possible life supporting planet for ET capable of visiting us. But it only takes one provable instance of alien visitation to blow that negative out of the water. It is up to the one making the claim to prove it and anecdotal evidence is not near enough to to provide proof of such an extraordinary claim as ET visiting our planet.

And no, we haven't visited other planets. The closest we've gotten is the moon and robots on mars. We've sent a few satellites around some other planets. Yet, this is all within our own solar system. If you're saying that these "aliens" are coming from within our solar system, then I think you have a long muddy road ahead of you.

did you know our sun is going to die and we will have to leave this planet one day... and make home somewhere else... what will that make us? ETs..
I think perhaps what you are picking up on here, is the sheer frustration that i and the more open-minded folks on this site face.

I hope you're not claiming that since our sun will die one day, aliens have visited us. I really don't know why you brought that up. It doesn't support your claim.

I also think you're trying to poison the well with that "more open-minded folks" comment. Not believing in alien visitors does not make you closed minded. Making up your mind and dismissing any other explanation makes you closed minded. I'm open to the alien explanation, but if you can't provide proof then I must also be open to other explanations. Since there is no proof that these claims are true, I remain open.

Everybody is headhunting from the outset, for the absolute proof. i cant prove anything to anyone.. nor do i care to.. all i can do is point to some incredible evidence from the dawn of human history right up to the till modern day... eyewitness testimony, like from former astronauts who have actually been to space... videos from everyday people like you and and me.. and let the chips fall where they may... it would be easy to be a sceptic and dismiss all of this and say, oh their all crazy...or ill only believe when the government says its true, and i see them on CNN them shaking hands with Obama at the UN.... but, i dont think their all crazy, their is something their...

Of course we want absolute proof! If someone is going to make such world changing claims, there should be some proof! Yeah, and I know you can't provide proof, but yet you're so sure about your stance. It's a curious behavior. And there's been no evidence incredible enough to shift the accepted views in the scientific community. Do you not get that eye witness accounts are not enough to prove that aliens have visited us? Human interpretation is far from being perfect.

And nice strawman you set up there.

Any how, since Walter Cronkite is in the news... RIP... here's "the most trusted man in Americas" UFO story

More anecdotal evidence. This time it's not even from the man himself. This is just hearsay. Far from proof or extraordinary evidence.

 

[Mr. Freeman]

This guy is an actual astronaut. 6th man on the moon. Edgar Mitchel.

July 23 2008

"I know for SURE were not alone in the universe"

"I happen to be privileged enough to have... be IN on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is REAL although its been covered up by our governments for quite a long time."

"They accept the fact that there has been visitation and that theres UFO's in the skies all the time that are very likely ALIEN craft, not all of them are, I suspect some of them are HOMEGROWN....I suspect that in the last 60 years or so that there has been some back engineering and the creation of this particular type of equipment but is NOT nearly as sophisticated YET"
Edgar Mitchel-

Credible.

Edger Mitchell
an American pilot and astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, he spent nine hours working on the lunar surface in the Fra Mauro Highlands region, making him the sixth man to walk on the Moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

what does he say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eabovetopsecret%2Ecom%2Fforum%2Fthread483277%2Fpg2&feature=player_embedded

You can at least accept the fact of the high probability of UFO'S. Its been covered up.

Thanks for the link TBAG, LOL.

Peace

 

[Mr. Freeman]

I would like to add:

Mitchell was born in Hereford, Texas.[1] He was active in the Boy Scouts of America where he achieved its second highest rank, Life Scout. He was also a member of Demolay International and has been inducted into its Hall of Fame.

Mitchell earned a Bachelor of Science degree in industrial management from Carnegie Institute of Technology in 1952.[1] The following year he joined the US Navy where he trained as a pilot and flew off the aircraft carriers USS Bon Homme Richard and USS Ticonderoga. He later qualified as a research pilot and taught at the Navy's research pilot school. While on active duty in the Navy, he earned a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.[1] He currently resides in suburban West Palm Beach, FL.

 

[ksac]

lol

It doesn't matter who believes that aliens visited us. Want to know what matters? Evidence.

 

[sparkjumper]

MarquisBlack maybe you sould go back and reread my post since you obviously didnt understand my plain english and point of view on the subject.You say me and "my lot" have been trying to change peoples views on the subject.Much more so than the "believers"Read my post genius.I clearly stated that I believe in life not only in the universe but also in our solar system.I also said in plain english I'm sure we've been visited many times.Are you confused or something?I think where the confusion comes in is I also clearly said There is unfortunately no evidence and I wouldnt consider myself to be in your "camp" for anything.And for obvious reasons.You cant even read a post and understand it without letting your emotion get in the way.Read my post again then tell me if its clear enough for you.

 

[Mr. Freeman]

What would evidence be to you?

To actually see one... right?

What if you actually saw one?

I have.

Keep on being a fool.

 

[Mr. Freeman]

Another observation:

You can't find the evidence you are looking for because its been covered up! Edgar Mitchel clearly states this in his own words.

Peace

 

[MarquisBlack]

MarquisBlack maybe you sould go back and reread my post since you obviously didnt understand my plain english and point of view on the subject.You say me and "my lot" have been trying to change peoples views on the subject.Much more so than the "believers"Read my post genius.I clearly stated that I believe in life not only in the universe but also in our solar system.I also said in plain english I'm sure we've been visited many times.Are you confused or something?I think where the confusion comes in is I also clearly said There is unfortunately no evidence and I wouldnt consider myself to be in your "camp" for anything.And for obvious reasons.You cant even read a post and understand it without letting your emotion get in the way.Read my post again then tell me if its clear enough for you.

There is a misunderstanding, yes. I apologize for lumping you in with "non-believers" vs. "believers", that was the best I could think to put it at the time. But you said that it was ignorant to be convinced of the validity of a subject when there is no evidence, to which I replied there IS evidence. Do you see how this could lead to me lumping you in with the "SHOW ME SCIENTIFICAL EVIDENCE LOL" crowd?

Maybe the misunderstanding runs deeper than that? Maybe I'm confused? I am pretty high, but not THAT high.

Punctuation and general post-structure are playing a role in the confusion that you shouldn't underestimate.

 

[ksac]

What would evidence be to you?

To actually see one... right?

What if you actually saw one?

I have.

Keep on being a fool.

You actually saw an alien from another world? Do tell.

Undeniable evidence would be an actual alien or body of one. Or perhaps a piece of technology far beyond our own understanding (something that couldn't have possibly been made by us). Or scientifically documented contact with an alien. Something real.

 

[ksac]

'"SHOW ME SCIENTIFICAL EVIDENCE LOL" crowd'

Is there a better way to infer truths?

 

[ksac]

Another observation:

You can't find the evidence you are looking for because its been covered up! Edgar Mitchel clearly states this in his own words.

Peace

Where's the proof for that? You're just making the hole deeper. It's getting more complicated now. Do you have the evidence to backup a government conspiracy claim? Along with your evidence that we've been visited by intelligent alien lifeforms?

 

[Mr. Freeman]

You actually saw an alien from another world? Do tell.

Undeniable evidence would be an actual alien or body of one. Or perhaps a piece of technology far beyond our own understanding (something that couldn't have possibly been made by us). Or scientifically documented contact with an alien. Something real.

I've seen a UFO.

I really don't care if you believe or not, I'm just presenting what I have found. Make up your own mind. I am happy to see I am not the only one seeing through all the bullshit.

In u.s. courts, people can get sentenced to death for an eyewitness. Yet people dismiss EYEWITNESSES of UFO's that are NASA scientists, military and austronauts telling you they exist and the gov is covering it up. Funny ain't it?

Peace

 

[PharmaCan]

10,000 years (or so) ago there were aboriginals (Indians) living on an island in Puget Sound. In 1989 I bought a seven acre piece of property that was the center of where those people lived. For the next ten years I unearthed and collected a large number of artifacts left behind by this tribe.

I have a plethora of spearheads and arrowheads. I also have many stone woodworking tools. Quite interestingly, these folks made stone drill bits that look exactly like a modern butterfly bit. What I find most interesting though, is their stone art work.

It seems that this tribe was quite artistic and made many stone sculptures of human heads. (I also have a sculpting of a Seahawk head, but that's the only animal sculpting I ever found.) But what I find really amazing are the numerous images of beings with large heads and larges eyes. They look very much like the typical alien images that we see so often. These images are often etched into the unused surface of a tool or onto the side or back of a sculpture. If it were just a few images, what I see could be credited to an over-active imagination. But the pattern is repeated so many times that it's highly unlikely that it is happenstance. (There's also the fact that stone tools/objects have tool marks where the stone was chipped to make the tool/objects and it is fairly easy to tell if something is man-made because the tool marks are obvious.)

Personally, I have a healthy skepticism about a lot of things, UFO films being one of them since they all seem a little sketchy. However, for as long as I can remember, any time I considered the existence of intelligent life forms on other planets, I always marveled at the egocentricity of mankind to think that we are the only ones in the universe. The universe is simply too vast for that to be true. And, while the technology to travel the vast expanses of space may seem improbable to us, one has to consider that homo sapiens have only been around for a few hundred thousand years. When one considers the technological advances we have made in just the last two hundred years, it isn't that hard to imagine how technologically far ahead of us a civilization that has been around for a few million years would be.

I have to chuckle at those who say "show me proof". I've held all the proof I need in my hand.

PC

 

[ksac]

I've seen a UFO.

I really don't care if you believe or not, I'm just presenting what I have found. Make up your own mind. I am happy to see I am not the only one seeing through all the bullshit.

In u.s. courts, people can get sentenced to death for an eyewitness. Yet people dismiss EYEWITNESSES of UFO's that are NASA scientists, military and austronauts telling you they exist and the gov is covering it up. Funny ain't it?

Peace

Seeing a UFO does not equal seeing an intelligent extraterrestrial being.

Eyewitness accounts are continuously put into question in criminal trials. It also has been shown that it is prone to error through scientific studies. We're back to "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". And eyewitness accounts are not extraordinary evidence.

Want to know what funny about this government conspiracy? Given how government scandals are leaked so easily, this conspiracy has been kept quiet for over half a century. Also, are other governments in on this conspiracy too? Are they top notch secret keepers that can keep possibly even through revolution? Or do aliens only visit the US? Or is the only evidence in the US? It just raises even more questions.

 

[ksac]

10,000 years (or so) ago there were aboriginals (Indians) living on an island in Puget Sound. In 1989 I bought a seven acre piece of property that was the center of where those people lived. For the next ten years I unearthed and collected a large number of artifacts left behind by this tribe.

I have a plethora of spearheads and arrowheads. I also have many stone woodworking tools. Quite interestingly, these folks made stone drill bits that look exactly like a modern butterfly bit. What I find most interesting though, is their stone art work.

It seems that this tribe was quite artistic and made many stone sculptures of human heads. (I also have a sculpting of a Seahawk head, but that's the only animal sculpting I ever found.) But what I find really amazing are the numerous images of beings with large heads and larges eyes. They look very much like the typical alien images that we see so often. These images are often etched into the unused surface of a tool or onto the side or back of a sculpture. If it were just a few images, what I see could be credited to an over-active imagination. But the pattern is repeated so many times that it's highly unlikely that it is happenstance. (There's also the fact that stone tools/objects have tool marks where the stone was chipped to make the tool/objects and it is fairly easy to tell if something is man-made because the tool marks are obvious.)

Is this evidence that aliens have visited us? If so, how?

Personally, I have a healthy skepticism about a lot of things, UFO films being one of them since they all seem a little sketchy. However, for as long as I can remember, any time I considered the existence of intelligent life forms on other planets, I always marveled at the egocentricity of mankind to think that we are the only ones in the universe. The universe is simply too vast for that to be true.

I agree. I think that the probability of life is fairly high if the right conditions exist. As large as the universe is, the right conditions must be out there several times over. That is only my belief, and there is no evidence to suggest that life is highly probable or not. Therefore, I am also open to the idea that life is so improbable that were are lucky it happened once. I wouldn't go around actly like I knew the answer. If someone asked me if life existed elsewhere, I would have to respond with "I don't know" to be intellectually honest.

And, while the technology to travel the vast expanses of space may seem improbable to us, one has to consider that homo sapiens have only been around for a few hundred thousand years. When one considers the technological advances we have made in just the last two hundred years, it isn't that hard to imagine how technologically far ahead of us a civilization that has been around for a few million years would be.

You're correct again, but there is no reason for me to believe that we will break the limits of our universe to travel great distances or that any life bearing planet exist close enough to us for a visit. We don't even have evidence of an alien probe, which would be the easiest way for aliens to reach other lifeforms. Send out machines to moons or other planets and let them build copies, then send the copies out to make copies. Keep doing this and pretty soon your technology is racing across the universe in all directions without need of life support.

I have to chuckle at those who say "show me proof". I've held all the proof I need in my hand.

PC

What proof?

 

[Crazy Composer]

On with the productive purpose of this thread...

This is VERY cool stuff right here. It's a ten part series about the Montauk Project, and particularly a guy called Preston Nichols who worked on the project. This is some really good inside info.

There are also a few more related videos in this playlist... all very interesting. cc

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_li...ladelphia+Experiment+&+Montauk+Project+part+1

 

[sirgrassalot]

I'm a space monkey

No kidding eH.

Preston B. Nichols (born 1946 in Long Island, New York) is an American author.

He claims[citation needed] to have degrees in parapsychology, psychology, and electrical engineering. Nichols is the main author of a series of books revolving around "The Montauk Project". Peter Moon was the co-author and editor of the series.

The main theme of the trilogy revolves around a secret U.S. government project that was supposedly conducted at Montauk Air Force Station. Time-travel and mind control were among the purported experiments that took place during the project. Nichols claims the project goes back to 1943 and is connected to the Philadelphia Experiment.