E.T. evidence thread

[ksac]

In trying to be intellectually honest, I've stated that aliens visiting us is highly improbable. That means that I don't know for sure one way or the other, but I feel as if one side of the argument is much more probable than the other. Nothing special really as the truth of this matter can only ever be inferred. But it seems that those who espouse these claims are very certain. Will they admit that there is a possibility that they are wrong?

 

[ksac]

"On another note... can we agree that, of the millions of sightings and other experiences... all it takes is ONE of them to be true, to prove the point?"

Yes, it only take one provable instance of alien visitation to prove that aliens have visited us. Just as it only take one provable instance that you visited Spain to prove that you visited Spain.

 

[ksac]

Out for the night. Have a nice one CC and icmag.is.#1!

 

[Crazy Composer]

trouble, thanks for recognizing that. Nice of you. But to be clear, I don't mind ANY disbelief at all. I was just hoping we could keep things respectful as we disagree. It seems things are going well now, and that makes me happy.

 

[sirgrassalot]

Lets have a recent look shall we.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/moc_5_24_01/face/

 

[Crazy Composer]

Well, that's not an angle that will let the shadows accentuate the curves. It's not about being more recent. But who knows?

 

[sirgrassalot]

Well, that's not an angle that will let the shadows accentuate the curves. It's not about being more recent. But who knows?

Yes it has to be his good side with the correct lighting & 70's technology before you can imagine its a mans face. There's a 3D image @ the link if you have the glasses & more 5 meg image. Chips are falling.

 

[h^2 O]

yeah it's cool, but the "face" and "pyramids" are HIGHLY questionable and bringing it up in public will not help your credibility.
If the "face" was actually a face, why would it be there? Did humans make it before leaving for Earth? Why is there no mythology about that in any cultures and religions? Would be pretty significant. And the evolution of man on Earth through millions of years of hominids is documented quite well, so humans coming from Mars would be no saner than saying we were created from clay 5,000yrs ago. If anything, there were either humans on Mars (assuming it was like Earth) who CAME from Earth, or a seperate, similar human-like animal evolved on Mars and it made pyramids and the "face."
I personally believe we are of course the result of amino acids which came to earth on meteorites. You can look at the moon and see tons of impact craters.
"NASA Astrochemistry Laboratory today announced that they had created amino acids in conditions mimicking deep space. Amino acids are the basic components of proteins, from which all life is made. According to researcher Max Bernstein, "We found that amino acids can be made in the dense interstellar clouds where planetary systems and stars are made. Our experiments suggest that amino acids should be everywhere, wherever there are stars and planets" nasa

 

[trouble]

This guy is an actual astronaut. 6th man on the moon. Edgar Mitchel.

July 23 2008

"I know for SURE were not alone in the universe"

"I happen to be privileged enough to have... be IN on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is REAL although its been covered up by our governments for quite a long time."

"They accept the fact that there has been visitation and that theres UFO's in the skies all the time that are very likely ALIEN craft, not all of them are, I suspect some of them are HOMEGROWN....I suspect that in the last 60 years or so that there has been some back engineering and the creation of this particular type of equipment but is NOT nearly as sophisticated YET"
Edgar Mitchel-

Credible.

You can at least accept the fact of the high probability of UFO'S. Its been covered up.

Heres what Edgar Mitchell has to say about Steven Greer and his Disclosure Project.

WASHINGTON TIMES / DISCLOSER PROJECT CONFERENCE:

"Steven Greer mentions my name as a Disclosure Project witness, which I am not, and never have been."

"I attempted to work with Steven Greer some years ago, but he began to overreach his data and fabricate information continuously, necessitating a withdrawl by myself, and many others."

"I, nor any of the three Apolo crew I was on, never received any briefing before or after flights on UFO events, saw anything in space suggesting UFO's or structures on the moon, as claimed by Steven Greer"

"I have requested my name be removed from all web-sites, announcements, and all other literature related to Dr.Greer, but I see that has not yet taken place."


Edgar Mitchell
Apolo Astronaut




......

 

[tennesseetoker]

firm believer here sorry there's just to many retired military and airline pilots who swear by not being able to identify anything they saw as man made. I'm convinced.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Interesting, fairly short video. Everyone will want to see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3NQ0Di7jDY&feature=related

 

[tennesseetoker]

it's a must see really!!!!! good find

 

[Backwoods Bud]

Impressive footage!

 

[ksac]

This is pretty interesting too. The government is not the only ones who withhold information. A lot of these ufo evidence sites don't seem to want to tell you about this stuff.

February 20, 1962-John Glenn, piloting his Mercury capsule, saw three objects follow him and then overtake him at varying speeds. Glenn also said that these "snowflakes" were small, and seemed to be coming from the rear end of his capsule. Later flights also observed them and were able to create "snowstorms" by having astronauts bang on the walls of their capsules. Verdict: Significant data was withheld, totally altering the nature of the incident.

May 24, 1962-Mercury 7: Scott C:arpenter reported photographing firefly-like objects with a hand camera and that he had what looked like a good shot of a saucer. Carpenter did see "fireflies, " as well as a balloon ejected from his capsule. The claim that he reported photographing a "saucer" is counterfeit. His photo, taking into account the glare of sunlight, smeared window, and gross enlargement of the small image, has been widely published as a "saucer" but was in fact the tracking balloon.

May 30, 1962-X1S pilot Joe Walton photographed five disclike objects. This story appears to be a complete fabrication. The real pilot's name was Joe Walker.

July 17, 1962-X1S Pilot Robert White photographed objects about 30 feet away from his craft while about 58 miles up. Right -- and as he reported, the objects were small, "about the size of a piece of paper," and were probably flakes of ice off the super-cold fuel tanks. Verdict: Important information withheld by authors.

May 16, 1963 -- Mercury 9: Gordon Cooper reported a greenish UFO with a red tail during his fifteenth orbit. He also reported other mysterious sightings over South America and Australia. The object he sighted over Perth, Australia, was caught on screens by ground tracking stations. Cooper has recently denounced all stories of UFOs on his space flights as fabrications. The multicolor UFO is based on a deliberate misquotation by an author of Cooper's postflight report on a sighting of the Aurora Australis. Verdict: Fraud.

There is a whole lot more here: http://www.debunker.com/texts/astronaut_ufo.html

You guys aren't looking into both sides of the argument are you?

 

[ksac]

firm believer here sorry there's just to many retired military and airline pilots who swear by not being able to identify anything they saw as man made. I'm convinced.

Ever wonder how many are fraudulent?

 

[sirgrassalot]

That footage of the tether is interesting.... Did you hear Houston? What are you seeing up there? Astronaut "We see the tether & some debris" They aren't seeing any space creatures, et's, aliens nothing but a tether & debris. Nothing materializing & the only thing dematerialized is his brain.

 

[MarquisBlack]

But two miles in diameter? Unless of course there's some sort of optical flaring due to the spectrum used? Maybe that explains the sand-dollar shape? Not sure myself. Still one of the more interesting UFO cases I've seen. (The Tether, that is)

 

[Crazy Composer]

It's all like a rorschach test, people will search for what they want to see, believers and skeptics alike.

grassalot, you're good at finding presenting only the explanations that discredit... so how about the rest of the footage? Any thoughts? I'm really interested in the other side.

What about crop circles? Of course there are crop circles made as hoaxes, but there are many that just blow the mind. The stems are heated and bent over without breaking... The size and complexity of many of them are astounding, and they are created sometimes within minutes, without a single trace of human activity, perfect sacred geometry, and often contain very advanced, coded information. Before commenting, go read and watch crop circle documentaries, and when you search for this info, don't just google the searches that have HOAX in the title. Be objective. Explain the metallic spheres that are often found scattered throughout the authentic circles. I'd be interested to hear the skeptic's explanation for these massive, perfect, (thus far) unexplainable phenomena.

 

[ksac]

Interesting, fairly short video. Everyone will want to see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3NQ0Di7jDY&feature=related

James Oberg, a 22-year veteran of NASA's Mission Control in Houston,
contributes the following commentary to SI DIGEST on the alleged shuttle
videos. He is a space consultant for ABC News and a space writer for United
Press International.

From Oberg:

"From hints I've gotten from people involved, these "new" videos allegedly
show miles-wide UFOs passing behind the deployed tether on shuttle mission
STS-75 (February 1996), and a night-time fly-past of a camera on STS-96 (May
1999).

It's easy to speculate wildly about such apparitions as long as you
deliberately keep yourself and your audience in ignorance of the most basic
facts about space shuttle missions. At all costs, avoid asking the actual
witnesses -- the astronauts and the specialists in Mission Control -- what
they saw or thought about such events. Make smart-sounding 'guesses' about
the situation on the shuttle, but never ever find out which cameras were
involved, what direction the shuttle was pointed, what the lighting
conditions were (natural and artificial), and so forth."

You can read the rest here: http://csicop.org/list/listarchive/msg00018.html

 

[Crazy Composer]

NASA footage of anomalies, and Edgar Mitchell talking about the cover up. Edgar Mitchell was on Apollo 14.

Some of the anomalies seem iffy to me, too... but it's hard to discount everything... and to listen to a man who has been in space talk, very matter-of-factly, about what's really happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLN_Jcg1pc


*edit, Edgar Mitchell isn't the only astronaut talking about the truth in this video. But what do astronauts know? Also, I have heard Aldrin talking about the cover up, too, but he's too interested in his notoriety to keep talking the truth.