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[Mikenite69]

Hmm not to sure.

Hmm not to sure.

Do you know if pylons effects also transfer to the plant ? It's basically saying it shuts down one of the most essential things to life , ATP , plants also have an ATP cycle , how does pylon know not to turn off the plants , too ?

I will let you know shortly though because I'll be using this pylon tr fogger to kill off this mite population I was kindly passed. These fuckers are super mites because I usually treat all incoming cuts with azamax and organic oils and neem.

I can't see plyon being any worse than forbid, avid , tetrasan, floramite, and now cyanide. Lol.

Also I think it should be noted don't use heat treatments on smaller veg plants it will fuck them up. I recently did the heat treatment option and anything that wasn't 14" or taller suffered drastically. So anyone thinking of heat treatments with beer cups think again.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Damn, I was checkin out chitosan but unfortunately the cheap stuff is made of shellfish...no good for this vegan.

I've got a gallon of Regalia on the way, lets see if this helps my mothers that are looking lame.

 

[whadeezlrg]

Damn, I was checkin out chitosan but unfortunately the cheap stuff is made of shellfish...no good for this vegan.

I'm gonna be a smart ass and say this in a lighthearted no-offense manner...why would you kill those poor helpless nematodes!?! is your cannabis more important than the life of a microorganism?

in all seriousness, good luck getting rid of your dudds!

 

[Storm Shadow]

We need to start focusing on how to reverse or stop the effects of Pectinase....

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Stormie

K So I had a look at pectinase .
Seems to be a by product of bacterial cultures .

Application
Often in combination with other enzymes, pectinases are used:

foremost in the preparation of fruit juices and vegetable juices in order to increase the juice yield. Particularly in the case of berries, pectinases improve the extraction of colourings and aromas. In some cases, they clarify naturally cloudy juices. In the preparation of juices from berries, tropical fruits, apples and pears, the use of pectinase additives is common

in the manufacture of concentrates made from fruit or vegetables (a carefully warmed mass made from uncooked plants or plant parts), such as in the case of tomatoes, onions, carrots, paprika and celery as well as plums, buckthorn and rosehips

in the extraction of pigments and food colourings from plant-based raw materials

in the extraction of highly concentrated citrus aromas from the zests of citrus fruits

in "enzymatic peeling" of fruits (as in fruit salads, for example), in order to prepare fresh, peeled fruit

in the manufacture of wine
Pektinases facilitate the clearing of fresh-pressed wine must and improves its consistency. The fluidity of the wine is improved.

in the industrial manufacture of feed (polygalacturonase and pektinlyase)

Pektinases primarily are obtained through fermentation with fungal cultures (Aspergillus, Penicillium and Trichoderma types).

Several enzymes from the group of pectinases (for example, polygalacturonase and pektinlyase) are obtained with the aid of genetically modified moulds. Pectatlyase can be obtained with genetically modified bacteria (Bacillus), however is utilised only for technical industrial purposes.

A variety of pektinesterases (enzymes that modify pectin) are produced with the aid of genetically modified moulds Aspergillus, Penicillium). These may be found in various pectinase preparations.

Degumming of plant bast fibers
Bast fibers are the soft fibers formed in groups outside the xylem, phloem or pericycle, e.g. Ramie and sunn hemp. The fibers contain gum, which must be removed before its use for textile making. The chemical degumming treatment is polluting, toxic and non-biodegradable. Biotechnological degumming using pectinases in combination with xylanases presents an ecofriendly and economic alternative to the above problem.

Retting of plant fibers

Pectinases have been used in retting of flax to separate the fibers and eliminate pectins.

Pectin is in apples .
Do you think the Todes are producing Pectinase ?
Can you see damage in your plants ? How are you identifying it as pectinase injury ?

Does Silica protect against pectinase ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Storm Shadow]

http://plpnemweb.ucdavis.edu/nemaplex/taxadata/G042S1.HTM

Ditylenchus dipsaci
secretes a pectinase enzyme

http://courses.missouristate.edu/clydettealsup/AGP583/Lectures/How_Pathogens_Attack_Plants.pdf

Pectinases
•Liquefy Pectin
•Middle Lamella Is Made of Pectic Substances
•Pathogens Release Pectinases Constantly
•Also Has Feedback Effect
•Glucose Also Suppresses Pectinase
•Pectinase Triggers Defense Responses in Resistant Plants
•Different Isozymes of Pectinase Can Affect Host Specificity

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Stormie

Learnt some things to add to my knowledge of plants .
Appreciated .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[RetroGrow]

G`day Stormie

Learnt some things to add to my knowledge of plants .
Appreciated .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

It serves as another reminder that you should always have aspirin in your rez, to strengthen plant's immune response. Willow water works too, as it has salicylic acid. Aloe also has it. Add humic & fulvic acids as immune system boosters, and you seriously reduce your chances of getting these pathogens and the toxins they release.
Salicylic acid (SA) is a phenolic phytohormone and is found in plants with roles in plant growth and development, photosynthesis, transpiration, ion uptake and transport. SA also induces specific changes in leaf anatomy and chloroplast structure. SA is involved in endogenous signaling, mediating in plant defense against pathogens. It plays a role in the resistance to pathogens by inducing the production of pathogenesis-related proteins. It is involved in the systemic acquired resistance (SAR) in which a pathogenic attack on one part of the plant induces resistance in other parts. The signal can also move to nearby plants by salicylic acid being converted to the volatile ester, methyl salicylate.
SAR, or systemic required resistance, could explain why attack on one part of a plant induces resistance in other parts, which has been reported many times in the "SourDubb" "Dudding". One branch on the plant can be affected, while the rest of the plant is O.K.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

crazy turn of events, i just saw obs and jack a few days ago and they were talking about this, i almost thought they were playing a joke on me. turns out this shit is for real, and all from the sour dubb cut!

does this mean 100% of all gorilla glue cuts are infected? or just sunset limiteds release?

my GG cuts came via OGorganic and unknown prophet, so not from the cut, but if the sour dubb tested positive then it could theoretically apply to all offspring since it can lay dormant in seed.

hey SS how are those chitosan applications applied, just basic foliar or root drenches.

im gonna be sending in some samples of all my GG stock shortly. i have 2-3 gorilla glues outside that have been slacking and showing phantom deficiencies that have me worry. also some of my indoor starts seem a bit stressed, scoped for broads/hrm and zero signs. so gonna test those too.


do you just marijuana samples into these labs, or do i gotta call and specially arrange that first. Obs said that UC davis doesn't do marijuana testing but joesy you say your guy was able to get that done?

good luck everyone...

 

[Backyard Farmer]

It's easy enough to get them to make glucose

 

[whatthe215]

hey prop, you can send samples to anywhere just don't tell em it's cannabis. obviously don't send leaves...

 

[RetroGrow]

crazy turn of events, i just saw obs and jack a few days ago and they were talking about this, i almost thought they were playing a joke on me. turns out this shit is for real, and all from the sour dubb cut!

does this mean 100% of all gorilla glue cuts are infected? or just sunset limiteds release?

my GG cuts came via OGorganic and unknown prophet, so not from the cut, but if the sour dubb tested positive then it could theoretically apply to all offspring since it can lay dormant in seed.

hey SS how are those chitosan applications applied, just basic foliar or root drenches.

im gonna be sending in some samples of all my GG stock shortly. i have 2-3 gorilla glues outside that have been slacking and showing phantom deficiencies that have me worry. also some of my indoor starts seem a bit stressed, scoped for broads/hrm and zero signs. so gonna test those too.


do you just marijuana samples into these labs, or do i gotta call and specially arrange that first. Obs said that UC davis doesn't do marijuana testing but joesy you say your guy was able to get that done?

good luck everyone...

www.allcropsolutions.com

 

[Yes4Prop215]

i took one of my oldest, sickest looking glues and chopped up a 12" section of stem down the middle, into multiple pieces. soaked them in water in a glass jar, are these nematodes visible to the naked eye. i figured any adults at 1mm length would be visible. so far i can't see anything.

my microscope is short some glass viewing slidse which should be here within a week, so i can do a better visual check. in the meantime gonna send some stem samples to the labs posted in this thread. just want to make sure….

 

[CaliGabe]

Interesting. A friend has a very healthy GG#4 going in his outdoor garden and from 'verified' old stock. Will go take a closer look tomorrow.

As for pectinase reminds me of powdery mildew and the pectolytic enzymes it produces and calcium a big solution to that puzzle. Don't know about nematodes though.

Calcium is also referred to as the plant’s first line of defense. Some organisms infect plants by penetrating cell tissue with enzymes known as pectinase. These enzymes dissolve pectins. A higher calcium content in plants, with higher concentration of pectins holding cells together will give plants a greater ability to withstand these enzymes. In some cases, the pectinase that the pathogen secretes is oxalic acid. This sequesters calcium from the leaf to form calcium oxalate. In such cases, the increase in calcium levels in leaf tissue or calcium in foliar applications will decrease the pathogen’s ability to invade the leaf. Fungal pathogenic infection is also reduced with increased calcium uptake by plants.

From what I've learned in the past year one of the big issues with canna is the difficulty in getting enough Ca into the plant.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day CG

Nice snippet to add to the files .
I was wondering about Silica doing a similar job . Toughening the cell walls .

re Ca .
I foliar feed Ca during flower alternating with Amino Potash . Seems to help the flowers along .
My one part nute has Silica in the solution .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[RetroGrow]

i took one of my oldest, sickest looking glues and chopped up a 12" section of stem down the middle, into multiple pieces. soaked them in water in a glass jar, are these nematodes visible to the naked eye. i figured any adults at 1mm length would be visible. so far i can't see anything.

my microscope is short some glass viewing slidse which should be here within a week, so i can do a better visual check. in the meantime gonna send some stem samples to the labs posted in this thread. just want to make sure….

They are microscopic.

 

[Loose Cannon]

They are microscopic.

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[Mikenite69]

Pylon tr fogger had no bad effects on the plants BYF. Just a report but it did kick the shit out of the mites.

2oz fogger recommended for 3000 sqaure feet of greenhouse and I used it to treat a 4x3 veg space.LoL. A little overkill but hey gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Pylon tr fogger had no bad effects on the plants BYF. Just a report but it did kick the shit out of the mites.

2oz fogger recommended for 3000 sqaure feet of greenhouse and I used it to treat a 4x3 veg space.LoL. A little overkill but hey gotta do what you gotta do.

holy shit lol. I think theres a way to stop those foggers if you flip the button back. coulda used it a few more times i guess.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

ok so i scoped a dozen different samples of my GG4 plants tonight and couldn't find anything resembling nematodes. i took samples from my sickest plants, from the lower base of stems up to the top nodes…..i swear some of the damage looks like the stem nematode damage, just overall rough look of stem and some abrasions here and there.

i looked all up in the stem, squished the stems into the slides and looked through the juices…and i soaked them in water over night and scoped the water itself. nothing moving at all its still as a frozen winter forest….no signs of eggs or anything.

still going to send in samples soon to the lab to verify….but I'm breathing an initial sigh of relief.

WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME ACTUAL PICTURES OF PLANTS AFFECTED BY THIS!!!